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    Typically, a football team carries three qb's. On that basis, my all time rams team will have three qb's, and think its a pretty easy choice.

    Kurt Warner
    Bob Waterfield
    Norm Van Brocklin

    Runner up has to be Roman Gabriel, a great ram for sure (who belongs in the ring of fame in the dome) was won the nfl mvp award in 1969.

    Peak value, its a really tough call as to who would be our starter. Warner won two mvp's, waterfield won two titles and van brocklin was a key player in one title (including the game winning 73 yard td pass in the 1951 title game (sound familiar?).

    Waterfield and Van Brocklin are in the Hall of Fame and Warner is on his way, although i dont think warner would have made it based on his rams career alone. Effectively, Warner had three great years as a Ram and both Waterfield and Van Brocklin were at their peak for longer periods of time.

    I believe Waterfield remains to this day the only player to win rookie of the year, mvp and a championship in his first year (1945). I dont think big ben was the league mvp when he won the super bowl as a rookie.

    Tough to compare eras of course, but on my all time team, dominance in one's era is really the key. Waterfield by the way also played some defense in the secondary and was one of the great punters in the history of the nfl.

    ramming speed to all

    general counsel

  • #2
    Re: All time greatest rams qb

    Minor clarification. Big Ben didn't win the Super Bowl as a rookie either.

    I can't complain with these picks, although part of me wants to swap Gabriel for Warner (not because of accomplishments per se, but because of Warner's abbreviated Ram career. It's kind of like saying Wayne Gretzky is one of the greatest Blues of all time.)

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    • #3
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      THanks for the clarification on big ben. I think the difference on warner is that he won a title for the rams and two mvp's, whereas gabriel did not win a title, and at the margain, that has to matter quite a bit. Wayne G never won anything with the blues.

      ramming speed to all

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      • #4
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        That's easy. I'd start Warner .... ten times out of ten.
        If a team won their division seven straight times, that would be a NFL record. Now add on that team did it with seven different QB's in seven straight years,that record is unbeatable. To do that feat, you must of had a great Defense. Jack Youngblood was the captain of that defense.

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        • #5
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          vince ferragamo?

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          • #6
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            What about Tony Banks? lol jk but for Reals this one is a hard one...and btw we ever going to get a wall of fame thing going?

            BTW Warner belongs in our all time greatest team considering his great years here maybe shortlived but were probably arguably the greatest 3 of any QB ever and not to mention he wanted to stay and he is a class act.
            Last edited by TheRammer; -02-22-2010, 02:30 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: All time greatest rams qb

              Whether the QB makes the team or the team makes the QB is debatable, but I personally take no issue with your take!

              Roman Gabriel would indeed be a consideration but could not really make a case for supplanting any of your top 3.

              >8)
              RnD

              GO RAMS!!

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              • #8
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                I am not giving him the nod over Gabriel, Van Brocklin or Warner, but Jim Everett must be in the discussion. He was a very good QB throughout the 80's for the Rams and holds numerous individual marks. He also did it for a number of years.

                The biggest knock against Everett is that he often came up small in big spots, most notably the playoffs- culminating in the "phantom sack" vs. San Francisco in the '89 title game.

                While much of the criticism was justified, he nonetheless gave the Rams some very good years.

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                • #9
                  Re: All time greatest rams qb

                  Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
                  What about Tony Banks? lol jk but for Reals this one is a hard one...and btw we ever going to get a wall of fame thing going?

                  BTW Warner belongs in our all time greatest team considering his great years here maybe shortlived but were probably arguably the greatest 3 of any QB ever and not to mention he wanted to stay and he is a class act.
                  if you can mention Tony Banks then I can mention Dieter Brock.

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                  • #10
                    Re: All time greatest rams qb

                    Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
                    I am not giving him the nod over Gabriel, Van Brocklin or Warner, but Jim Everett must be in the discussion. He was a very good QB throughout the 80's for the Rams and holds numerous individual marks. He also did it for a number of years.

                    The biggest knock against Everett is that he often came up small in big spots, most notably the playoffs- culminating in the "phantom sack" vs. San Francisco in the '89 title game.

                    While much of the criticism was justified, he nonetheless gave the Rams some very good years.
                    Not to mention arguably his greatest play; forcing ol' Jim Rome to literally roll right off the set in fear ... hilarious.

                    "Bet you don't call me Chris again"
                    If a team won their division seven straight times, that would be a NFL record. Now add on that team did it with seven different QB's in seven straight years,that record is unbeatable. To do that feat, you must of had a great Defense. Jack Youngblood was the captain of that defense.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Dwight Frye View Post
                      Not to mention arguably his greatest play; forcing ol' Jim Rome to literally roll right off the set in fear ... hilarious.

                      "Bet you don't call me Chris again"
                      Great job by Everett- Rome is such an unprofessional jerkoff. I've hated him ever since.

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                        Originally posted by jkramsfan View Post
                        if you can mention Tony Banks then I can mention Dieter Brock.
                        honeslty don't know who brock is but is he a flop and horrible player like banks? I absolutly think the worst football i've seen a QB play is Banks as our QB...

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                          Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
                          honeslty don't know who brock is but is he a flop and horrible player like banks? I absolutly think the worst football i've seen a QB play is Banks as our QB...

                          Dieter Brock played one season for the Rams in 1985. He amassed a ton of yardage and set several records in the Canadian Football league prior to him going to the Rams. He was nearing the end of his career at this time and did OK in his one season but was hardly the long term answer to the team's unsettled QB situation and stuggled at times to adjust to the NFL game. The Rams went to the NFC title game that year where they were shut out by the Bears.

                          Banks was an embarrassment- a guy whose work ethic and football smarts were rightly questioned and a short, unsuccessful career as validation.
                          Last edited by NJ Ramsfan1; -02-22-2010, 09:11 PM.

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                            Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
                            honeslty don't know who brock is but is he a flop and horrible player like banks? I absolutly think the worst football i've seen a QB play is Banks as our QB...
                            You know, there's a reason why I've nicknamed Kyle Boller "White Tony Banks".

                            /No longer thinks Banks is the worst QB to play for the Rams.

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                            • #15
                              Re: All time greatest rams qb

                              All right, then I'll play a little trick here. ;)

                              1. Kurt Warner
                              2. A tie for 2nd between Bob Waterfield and Norm Van Brocklin
                              3. Roman Gabriel.

                              There. Just had to find a way to place The Roman General on the podium. My reserve man, backup QB: Jim Everret.



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                                ramming speed to all

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