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    Anyone know how often the Rams have thrown the ball deep this year? Dunno if this qualifies as a "criticism", but I wish the Rams would throw deep more. To me, what makes Warner special in a league of mediocre dink-pass "West Coast offense" passers is his ability to throw the bomb, and it's frustrating that he rarely showcases his talent in this area.

    His numbers the past two seasons in passes 30+ yards:

    1999: 7 of 24, 341 yds, 5 TD, 1 INT, 101.4 PRS
    2000: 9 of 18, 510 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT, 112.3 PRS

    And of course, going deep got us our fame and glory (Proehl v. Bucs in NFC Championship, Ike in SB). So why is Warner only throwing deep only 1.5 times per game?

    I can see the argument that throwing it only when it's available is what makes it so effective, but I would like to see him open it up more and take more chances deep. I think the deep pass is utterly devasting to defenses in terms of demoralizing and it opens things up underneath even more (which might help cut down on INTs). I think it would have been especially effective against the ***** to go deep a lot more with those very poor corners hovering on the shorter to intermediate routes.

    Anyway, that's my only "complaint" with the Rams right now. I guess I'll have to be satisfied with only 35 points per game. ;)

  • #2
    He's just getting back into the swing of it. The air attack will happen more. But the other teams are expecting it and it opens him up to attack. Keep them on their toes and protect him from harm. Want him to last the season this time.

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    • #3
      not sure

      Not how often they have thrown deep. I think teams have really tried to take the deep ball away from them as they seem to playing they safties really deep on St. Louis. I think this has to do with the long ball and the run after the catch.

      I think it more the opprotunites haven't been there.

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      • #4
        I think the Rams have had to adjust to defenses playing against the deep pass.In a way,it has been to our advantage.The Rams are passing underneath and running more time off the clock during their drives.Remember last year,the Rams defense would be on the field forever,give up a TD,and our offense would come out and score a TD right away.Our defense was still catching their breath and BAM they were out on the field again.I think the deep threat is always there,but we're picking apart defenses in a different way this year.I like it.This year we have a much more balanced football team.


        GO RAMS! STAY FOCUSED! WIN!
        ST.LOUIS RAMS:THE MOST FRUSTRATING TEAM IN THE NFL!!!

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        • #5
          Actually, I like how they are strategically going deep. Take the Philly game, we really didn't make anything successful deep until the Bruce catch in OT. We hadn't taken many shots until then, and had that great secondary off their feet. The SF game was sluggish for awhile until a couple of 20+ yard catches to Ricky Proehl. Miami game we went deep with Holt, and we have gone deep more than you think just haven't caught the ball. Remember, this offense may have played the grand total of one game the whole entire preseason, then open up with the Eagles, who have a great D, on the road on that terrible turf. It is always a good time in SF, and they may have a decent team this year. Really, the offense is really just finding themselves again, watch for plenty of shots this week with a banged up Giants secondary. However, against the Jets, watch lots and lots of Marshall.

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