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    It just seems that the Rams are once again, this off-season, in a state of confusion as to what to do to get this team moving forward in a positive direction. All of a sudden the Rams are unsure of what to do with the first pick, Defensive lineman or Quarterback?

    10 years ago the Rams were in the same situation, all of a sudden they went from cellar dwellers to Super Bowl Champions. All the pieces came into place (Strong Coach, OC, Kurt, Marshall, etc). The Rams seemed to know what they wanted and know how to go about getting it.

    Spags is a Defensive guy....Woundn't he want to take Suh with the first pick?

    Rams need to get creative or we as fans will have to get used to unwatchable, uninspired football from this team for some time to come.
    Rams need a big receiver, TO is still servicable, why not take a look?
    LT would be nice fit to give relief to SJ for a spell.

    Its all starts from the top, When Georgia was alive, she was the figure head of this once proud franchise. She had the forsight to bring the Rams to Saint Louis and did the neccessities to put the Rams in place for a Championship Run.

    Chip would do best to reconcider and keep control of this team with a long and storied association within his family.
    Carrol Rosenbloom owned the Baltimore Colts, who won the 'Greatest Game Ever Played' against the New York Giants in the 1958 NFL Championship, Colt won again in 1959.

    In 1972 Rosenbloom swaped franchises with Robert Ersay. Rosenbloom took over the Rams, Ersay the Colts.
    From 1973-79 the Rams won 7 strait division titles, finally finishing that decade with a trip to their first Superbowl.
    Georgia kept the dream alive, Chip & Lucia will throw it all away.

    Marc Bulger Killed this franchised!

    We all can agree know that it was Mike Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and garner a hefty bank account. Bulgers inability to take on the leadership and doing the neccessary things to keep the Rams contenders has almost crippled this franchise. Too much was put on his shoulders and he ultimitely failed. Everyone can know agree that Bulger SUX!

    2010, This is a new decade, Rams need to get back in the game!
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    Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

    Originally posted by dgr828 View Post
    It just seems that the Rams are once again, this off-season, in a state of confusion as to what to do to get this team moving forward in a positive direction. All of a sudden the Rams are unsure of what to do with the first pick, Defensive lineman or Quarterback?

    10 years ago the Rams were in the same situation, all of a sudden they went from cellar dwellers to Super Bowl Champions. All the pieces came into place (Strong Coach, OC, Kurt, Marshall, etc). The Rams seemed to know what they wanted and know how to go about getting it.

    Spags is a Defensive guy....Woundn't he want to take Suh with the first pick?

    Rams need to get creative or we as fans will have to get used to unwatchable, uninspired football from this team for some time to come.
    Rams need a big receiver, TO is still servicable, why not take a look?
    LT would be nice fit to give relief to SJ for a spell.
    Interesting suggestions. I don't deny that the Rams need to reinvent themselves, but I think that ultimately, you can't reinvent yourself with old players who couldn't cut the mustard on their old teams. LT, in all likelihood, wants to go to a championship contender and TO is as far a stretch from the four pillars as you can find. Three teams in as many seasons are not quite the credentials our coaches are looking for.

    I can't say I agree with your comments about Suh. Why write the pick off as a surety this early citing only the premise that Spagnuolo is a defensive guy? It's less than a given that Suh will be the pick; the Rams need a QB as direly as they need a pass rush.

    Originally posted by DGR
    Its all starts from the top, When Georgia was alive, she was the figure head of this once proud franchise. She had the forsight to bring the Rams to Saint Louis and did the neccessities to put the Rams in place for a Championship Run.

    Chip would do best to reconcider and keep control of this team with a long and storied association within his family.
    Carrol Rosenbloom owned the Baltimore Colts, who won the 'Greatest Game Ever Played' against the New York Giants in the 1958 NFL Championship, Colt won again in 1959.

    In 1972 Rosenbloom swaped franchises with Robert Ersay. Rosenbloom took over the Rams, Ersay the Colts.
    From 1973-79 the Rams won 7 strait division titles, finally finishing that decade with a trip to their first Superbowl.
    Georgia kept the dream alive, Chip & Lucia will throw it all away.
    I don't think it's possible for me to disagree more with this statement. I think Chip and Lucia did all they could to keep the franchise afloat since Ms. Fontiere passed, but the time is nigh to pass the torch. Why keep a team you have little interest in putting the time and effort into? It doesn't make sense. Our new owner, Khan, is a proud St. Louisian, a self made man and a proud Rams fan. I don't think you could apply any of those three credentials to Chip Rosenbloom.

    Originally posted by DGR
    Marc Bulger Killed this franchised!

    We all can agree know that it was Mike Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and garner a hefty bank account. Bulgers inability to take on the leadership and doing the neccessary things to keep the Rams contenders has almost crippled this franchise. Too much was put on his shoulders and he ultimitely failed. Everyone can know agree that Bulger SUX!
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    This has been beaten to death. I do not agree. This is a ludicrous overstatement and I'm not going to dignify your comments by adding any of my own.

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    • #3
      Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

      Well, I have to respectfully disagree with just about everything in this post.

      1. I don't believe the Rams are "confused". I believe Devaney and Spags have a plan. That we don't know EXACTLY what they are thinking doesn't mean they are confused and don't know what to do. I'm sure they'll do their due diligence on the #1 draft spot.
      2. TO is an aging, overpriced jackass who has worn out his welcome with three different teams. He is the antithesis of what the coaches are tying to accomplish (team concept) and the last guy we should be looking at.
      While I have respect for LT, he is about done. The coaches are not bringing in aging skill players nor should they.
      3. Georgia moving the team to St. Louis was less about foresight than about the almighty buck. That the Rams couldn't make money in the 2nd largest media market in the country should tell you all you need to know about what Georgia did to her late husband's franchise.
      4. By now it is well known that Chip and his sister would incur a huge estate tax if they held onto the team. I think it's fair to say that while Chip and Lucia seem to be nice people, owning a professional football team is not their passion. They realize this and are looking to sell.
      5. To say Marc Bulger killed this franchise is grossly unfair. He should take a big chunk of the blame for the team's failures over the last few years but he's had plenty of company. To put it all on him is wrong.

      I DO agree with your last statement: The Rams need to get back to the business of being a top team. How well the current regime does their job in the draft will determine whether or not it happens sooner rather than later.

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      • #4
        Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

        Originally posted by dgr828 View Post
        It just seems that the Rams are once again, this off-season, in a state of confusion as to what to do to get this team moving forward in a positive direction. All of a sudden the Rams are unsure of what to do with the first pick, Defensive lineman or Quarterback?

        10 years ago the Rams were in the same situation, all of a sudden they went from cellar dwellers to Super Bowl Champions. All the pieces came into place (Strong Coach, OC, Kurt, Marshall, etc). The Rams seemed to know what they wanted and know how to go about getting it.

        Spags is a Defensive guy....Woundn't he want to take Suh with the first pick?

        Rams need to get creative or we as fans will have to get used to unwatchable, uninspired football from this team for some time to come.
        Rams need a big receiver, TO is still servicable, why not take a look?
        LT would be nice fit to give relief to SJ for a spell.

        Its all starts from the top, When Georgia was alive, she was the figure head of this once proud franchise. She had the forsight to bring the Rams to Saint Louis and did the neccessities to put the Rams in place for a Championship Run.

        Chip would do best to reconcider and keep control of this team with a long and storied association within his family.
        Carrol Rosenbloom owned the Baltimore Colts, who won the 'Greatest Game Ever Played' against the New York Giants in the 1958 NFL Championship, Colt won again in 1959.

        In 1972 Rosenbloom swaped franchises with Robert Ersay. Rosenbloom took over the Rams, Ersay the Colts.
        From 1973-79 the Rams won 7 strait division titles, finally finishing that decade with a trip to their first Superbowl.
        Georgia kept the dream alive, Chip & Lucia will throw it all away.

        Marc Bulger Killed this franchised!

        We all can agree know that it was Mike Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and garner a hefty bank account. Bulgers inability to take on the leadership and doing the neccessary things to keep the Rams contenders has almost crippled this franchise. Too much was put on his shoulders and he ultimitely failed. Everyone can know agree that Bulger SUX!

        2010, This is a new decade, Rams need to get back in the game!

        Wait, wait, wait. So "Georgia kept the dream alive"? It only took
        20 YEARS IN THE CELLAR!!! Does no one here remember the 80's? The 90's? Was Georgia not at the helm THEN? 1999 to 2002 was a beautiful fluke. As soon as the league learned what the weaknesses of the Martz system were, we floundered. I'm not getting how Marc Bulger killed this franchise. You seem to be arguing two separate topics here.

        History is a great teacher. Georgia Frontiere was NOT a good owner. Marc Bulger WAS a good QB. Neither one of them can take all the blame for where this franchise is now. There are no easy answers as to why we are where we are. Stop looking for one.

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        • #5
          Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

          Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
          Well, I have to respectfully disagree with just about everything in this post.

          1. I don't believe the Rams are "confused". I believe Devaney and Spags have a plan. That we don't know EXACTLY what they are thinking doesn't mean they are confused and don't know what to do. I'm sure they'll do their due diligence on the #1 draft spot.
          2. TO is an aging, overpriced jackass who has worn out his welcome with three different teams. He is the antithesis of what the coaches are tying to accomplish (team concept) and the last guy we should be looking at.
          While I have respect for LT, he is about done. The coaches are not bringing in aging skill players nor should they.
          3. Georgia moving the team to St. Louis was less about foresight than about the almighty buck. That the Rams couldn't make money in the 2nd largest media market in the country should tell you all you need to know about what Georgia did to her late husband's franchise.
          4. By now it is well known that Chip and his sister would incur a huge estate tax if they held onto the team. I think it's fair to say that while Chip and Lucia seem to be nice people, owning a professional football team is not their passion. They realize this and are looking to sell.
          5. To say Marc Bulger killed this franchise is grossly unfair. He should take a big chunk of the blame for the team's failures over the last few years but he's had plenty of company. To put it all on him is wrong.
          These are all quite valid points, especially numero uno. Just because we might be confused at large about where the franchise is headed over the next two months doesn't mean that the coaches and management are confused. I welcome the confusion if this is the case; there cannot be a single thing that is more frustrating for other teams at the top of the draft this year, meaning they will need to secure a trade in order to draft the player they want.

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          • #6
            Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

            Originally posted by dgr828 View Post
            Marc Bulger Killed this franchised!

            We all can agree know that it was Mike Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and garner a hefty bank account. <<<<FALSE Bulgers inability to take on the leadership and doing the neccessary things to keep the Rams contenders has almost crippled this franchise. Too much was put on his shoulders and he ultimitely failed. Everyone can know agree that Bulger SUX!

            2010, This is a new decade, Rams need to get back in the game!
            This is all wrong. Bulger had a hard act to follow in Warner and he is not what killed this franchise. Was he as good as Warner no but not many are as good as Warner was. This team had a horrible defense for many years under Martz. Lovie brought in small under sized players and then turned them over to Marmie who was a horrible DC while here. We drafted poorly for several years. Martz ego with his play calling thought he could over come all other short comings like the OL, special teams, and defense that fell apart under his watch. Bulger came in and actually gave us a lift and outplayed Warner after Warner had several chances. It could be that Warner did not want to take himself out of games and his thumb or other things caused it at the time but he was being outplayed by Bulger when he was replaced.

            It was not Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and gain a hefty bank account. Linehan was the coach in 2006 when Bulger had his best year and his only year in which he played in all 16 games. Bulger set career highs in TD's, Yards, and lowest INT per attempt. Read the following after his first year 2006 under Linehan prior to signing his big contract.

            After the 2006 season, Bulger was selected as a reserve to the Pro Bowl, after recording an NFL-best eight games with a quarterback passing rating of more than 100. It marked the second time that he was voted to the Pro Bowl.
            On September 10, 2006, in a game against the Denver Broncos, Bulger reached 1,000 completions faster than any quarterback in NFL history. Bulger achieved this in 45 games, two games less than ex-Rams QB Kurt Warner. Drew Bledsoe and Peyton Manning needed 48 games, and it took Dan Marino 49.
            On July 28, 2007, Bulger signed a six-year, $62.5 million contract extension with the Rams. The contract included $27 million in guaranteed money and put him in a group of six quarterbacks making $10 million a year or more.
            Last edited by RamsSB99; -03-14-2010, 06:16 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

              dgr828...I find it hilarious that every time you post you say something totally off the wall and silly that it elaves me flabbergasted. While this isn't one of those post it certainly has me shaking my head because of its zaniness..

              How are the Rams confused? In what way does it seem we are confused? You don't know what the RAms are thinking AT ALL and neither does any of us. The signings they have made have all been fairly solid signing adding great depth, leadership, and experience to our very young team.

              TO is old and diminishing anf though I disagree that he is a "jackass" anymore as i think he has settled down and realized his role now, regardless he is not a good fit for us I don't think.

              Georgia was not a good owner and moved the tem to Saint Louis because that's where she was from...

              Marc Bulger being blamed for the Rams failures is the equivalent of me blaming a particular group of people for global warming, it doesn't make sense because everyone has contributed....

              The Rams are making solid steps toward creating a good squad and I don't see how a person who carefully analyzes the situation and looks at the Rams moves, how you could disagree with that..

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              • #8
                Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                Originally posted by RamsSB99 View Post
                This is all wrong. Bulger had a hard act to follow in Warner and he is not what killed this franchise. Was he as good as Warner no but not many are as good as Warner was. This team had a horrible defense for many years under Martz. Lovie brought in small under sized players and then turned them over to Marmie who was a horrible DC while here. We drafted poorly for several years. Martz ego with his play calling thought he could over come all other short comings like the OL, special teams, and defense that fell apart under his watch. Bulger came in and actually gave us a lift and outplayed Warner after Warner had several chances. It could be that Warner did not want to take himself out of games and his thumb or other things caused it at the time but he was being outplayed by Bulger when he was replaced.

                It was not Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and gain a hefty bank account. Linehan was the coach in 2006 when Bulger had his best year and his only year in which he played in all 16 games. Bulger set career highs in TD's, Yards, and lowest INT per attempt. Read the following after his first year 2006 under Linehan prior to signing his big contract.

                After the 2006 season, Bulger was selected as a reserve to the Pro Bowl, after recording an NFL-best eight games with a quarterback passing rating of more than 100. It marked the second time that he was voted to the Pro Bowl.
                On September 10, 2006, in a game against the Denver Broncos, Bulger reached 1,000 completions faster than any quarterback in NFL history. Bulger achieved this in 45 games, two games less than ex-Rams QB Kurt Warner. Drew Bledsoe and Peyton Manning needed 48 games, and it took Dan Marino 49.
                On July 28, 2007, Bulger signed a six-year, $62.5 million contract extension with the Rams. The contract included $27 million in guaranteed money and put him in a group of six quarterbacks making $10 million a year or more.
                You beat me to it. This particular fact has been repeated over and over on this board, and the fact that this argument still comes up absolutely astounds me.

                By the way, it's probably time for dgr to change his avatar.

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                • #9
                  Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                  Others have addressed the points made at length but the completely revisionist nature of some of the assertions made by in the original post lead me to believe it must be some kind of provocation.

                  The literary equivalent of a large wooden spoon .

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                  • #10
                    Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                    Originally posted by dgr828 View Post
                    It just seems that the Rams are once again, this off-season, in a state of confusion as to what to do to get this team moving forward in a positive direction. All of a sudden the Rams are unsure of what to do with the first pick, Defensive lineman or Quarterback?

                    10 years ago the Rams were in the same situation, all of a sudden they went from cellar dwellers to Super Bowl Champions. All the pieces came into place (Strong Coach, OC, Kurt, Marshall, etc). The Rams seemed to know what they wanted and know how to go about getting it.

                    Spags is a Defensive guy....Woundn't he want to take Suh with the first pick?

                    Rams need to get creative or we as fans will have to get used to unwatchable, uninspired football from this team for some time to come.
                    Rams need a big receiver, TO is still servicable, why not take a look?
                    LT would be nice fit to give relief to SJ for a spell.

                    Its all starts from the top, When Georgia was alive, she was the figure head of this once proud franchise. She had the forsight to bring the Rams to Saint Louis and did the neccessities to put the Rams in place for a Championship Run.

                    Chip would do best to reconcider and keep control of this team with a long and storied association within his family.
                    Carrol Rosenbloom owned the Baltimore Colts, who won the 'Greatest Game Ever Played' against the New York Giants in the 1958 NFL Championship, Colt won again in 1959.

                    In 1972 Rosenbloom swaped franchises with Robert Ersay. Rosenbloom took over the Rams, Ersay the Colts.
                    From 1973-79 the Rams won 7 strait division titles, finally finishing that decade with a trip to their first Superbowl.
                    Georgia kept the dream alive, Chip & Lucia will throw it all away.

                    Marc Bulger Killed this franchised!

                    We all can agree know that it was Mike Martz system that aloud Bulger to prosper and garner a hefty bank account. Bulgers inability to take on the leadership and doing the neccessary things to keep the Rams contenders has almost crippled this franchise. Too much was put on his shoulders and he ultimitely failed. Everyone can know agree that Bulger SUX!

                    2010, This is a new decade, Rams need to get back in the game!
                    You've got it all wrong.

                    The Rams aren't confused; they are being strong-armed behind the scenes out of what was the obvious #1 pick months ago.Just like Dorsey; it stinks & I smell Shaw.

                    Georgia brought the Rams to St Louis because this is where her heart was. Just like it was with husbands 1 thru 6.

                    The GSOT was a mistake. The fix was in & bets laid off.The grocery clerk blew the deal. Not sayin' more; these people can find you anywhere.

                    Am I the only one who thinks that, if Shaw isn't the reason why Suh won't be a Ram, that just maybe Spags is a little drunk off his own press & wants to prove he's the greatest defensive coach ever by building a winning unit out of rejects & misfits ? He doesn't want to share the glory with Suh. Think about it.

                    Forget TO; trade Jackson for Marshall, OJ for Vick & light a fire under this mofo. RBs are just committee flacks these days; anonymous & infinitely replaceable. It's a passing league, anyway. Bernie told me so.

                    The Rams won't be allowed to win a championship again until they return to Cleveland where they belong. Long live the Black & Red !

                    Darryl Henley killed this franchise & the LA mafia drove them out of town for losing their product.
                    Last edited by Azul e Oro; -03-15-2010, 12:38 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                      Originally posted by Azul e Oro View Post
                      You've got it all wrong.

                      The Rams aren't confused; they are being strong-armed behind the scenes out of what was the obvious #1 pick months ago.Just like Dorsey; it stinks & I smell Shaw.

                      Georgia brought the Rams to St Louis because this is where her heart was. Just like it was with husbands 1 thru 6.

                      The GSOT was a mistake. The fix was in & bets laid off.The grocery clerk blew the deal. Not sayin' more; these people can find you anywhere.

                      Am I the only one who thinks that, if Shaw isn't the reason why Suh won't be a Ram, that just maybe Spags is a little drunk off his own press & wants to prove he's the greatest defensive coach ever by building a winning unit out of rejects & misfits ? He doesn't want to share the glory with Suh. Think about it.

                      Forget TO; trade Jackson for Marshall, OJ for Vick & light a fire under this mofo. RBs are just committee flacks these days; anonymous & infinitely replaceable. It's a passing league, anyway. Bernie told me so.

                      The Rams won't be allowed to win a championship again until they return to Cleveland where they belong. Long live the Black & Red !

                      Darryl Henley killed this franchise & the LA mafia drove them out of town for losing their product.
                      azul, i tend to like your post at times because they seem intelligent, im just going to assume you were either kidding (making fun of the OP) or high....

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                      • #12
                        Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                        Originally posted by Azul e Oro View Post
                        You've got it all wrong.

                        The Rams aren't confused; they are being strong-armed behind the scenes out of what was the obvious #1 pick months ago.Just like Dorsey; it stinks & I smell Shaw.

                        Georgia brought the Rams to St Louis because this is where her heart was. Just like it was with husbands 1 thru 6.

                        The GSOT was a mistake. The fix was in & bets laid off.The grocery clerk blew the deal. Not sayin' more; these people can find you anywhere.

                        Am I the only one who thinks that, if Shaw isn't the reason why Suh won't be a Ram, that just maybe Spags is a little drunk off his own press & wants to prove he's the greatest defensive coach ever by building a winning unit out of rejects & misfits ? He doesn't want to share the glory with Suh. Think about it.

                        Forget TO; trade Jackson for Marshall, OJ for Vick & light a fire under this mofo. RBs are just committee flacks these days; anonymous & infinitely replaceable. It's a passing league, anyway. Bernie told me so.

                        The Rams won't be allowed to win a championship again until they return to Cleveland where they belong. Long live the Black & Red !

                        Darryl Henley killed this franchise & the LA mafia drove them out of town for losing their product.
                        fantastic stuff. I chortled

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                        • #13
                          Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                          Does no one here remember the 80's? The 90's?
                          Yes, the 90's were atrocious. But, to be fair, the 80's were an outstanding decade for Rams football. The decade started with a Super Bowl appearance, and went on to have 7 playoff runs in the 10-year span.
                          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                          • #14
                            Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                            I dont even know why im posting to this rubbish. Devaney and Spags are playing it right, the fact of the matter is the Rams can go in almost any direction come draft day. This isnt down to a lack of direction, it's the scenario there dealing in, in regard to the limit's on this roster. Tough job indeed. Must do whats best for the team, not the fans or their own job security? Bradford is a risk, but if they believe he's the best player, they must act accordingly.

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                            • #15
                              Re: State of the Rams / March 2010

                              I must admit, the flame bait works wonders just about every time!

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