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I'm really about to stop watching nfl network due to one guy in paticular fran charles he is not even really a anaylasis. He keeps saying we have to draft bradford to make a splash because we've drafted dline and its not worked out. Well I for one am not givin up on carraiker or long cause I think they both will eventually be a good nfl talent. I really don't think it has to be bradford to be a franchise qb u don't have to pick one in the first round ie tom brady, bulger, brees and I think favre was a second rd for atlanta but not sure bout that one you get the point though. If u look at a lot of the qbs in the first round they haven't worked out lienhart, smith, carr list goes on.. any thoughts?
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Re: tired...
You have MUCH better odds picking a franchise type QB at the top of rd 1 than you do late in the draft, and it's not even close. Bradford has all the tools you want in a QB and then some. He will be a star in this league as long as he has an o-line to protect him. -
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And as long as his arm stays healthy which idk if its going to. It got injured twice pretty quickly in college last year and the guys are bigger and faster in the nfl.Comment
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I think Depsags will draft who THEY feel will help the team the most.I hope its Bradford but if they decide Suh is it, then our line would be a force with 3 1rst round picks on it.However what they do will have nothing to do with what the clowns at ESPN or any other station have to say about it.Comment
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My mouth drools at the possiblity of suh, carraker, long, and hall if we have that line right there I think someone better watch out cause that's some pretty good potential. I know we need to make a move at qb that's a fact. But if bradford will not be a manning, favre, marino, elway type of guy if he is just gonna be another qb then go with suh who is defentely number one potential. I just believe we can patch now at qb cause odds are even with bradford we are probally top five pick ie lions.Originally posted by dave626 View Post
And fran charles on nfl network says it multiple times during the hour long show I like the show to keep up to date but no need to say carraker and long are bust cause their carrers aren't over long is just gettin started and carraker was injuired.Comment
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Originally posted by sjacksonrules View Post
I'm not saying Bradford is going to be the next Peyton Manning, but I predict he'll likely be a top 6 QB in 4-6 years. He'll be a solid starter in 2-3 years IMO. Just all speculation though. But he has all the tools to be that.
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If he is not the next manning then why draft him at the same position pick. He isn't viewed by all as the best qb in the draft.Originally posted by RockinRam View PostComment
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Actually...he pretty much is."I've been saving the Universe for over a thousand years. I figure it owes me just this once."Comment
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It's all opinion just likie everyone who posts here on the board and ever on NFL network no one knows don't get butt hurtComment
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"dont get butt hurt"Originally posted by TheRammer View Post
that coming from "The Rammer". LOL.
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Suh isn't viewed by all as the best DT in the draft, what's your point?Originally posted by sjacksonrules View PostComment
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I'm not really sure that I agree with this statement. I'll start in 2008 since the jury is still out on the guys from the guys from 2009. Remember your statement were that it's not even close. I'm gonna go through the qb's for the last several years and we will see the hit/bust difference between high and low picks.Originally posted by SLSG View Post
2008-Decent year for two first rounders and a great year for an emerging 2nd rounder.
Matt Ryan-1st-Good pick solid starter
Joe Flacco-1st-Good pick solid starter
Chad Henne-2nd-Excellent value and solid starter
2007-None really from this year but the better performers were from lower rds. in the draft. Terrible draft class for qb's so far.
Jamarcus Russell-1st-Bust
Brady Quinn-1st-Bust
Kevin Kolb-2nd-May land starting job this year
Trent Edwards-3rd-Has already been a starter but not a good qb but he's a 3rd rounder which takes the pain away if you miss on a qb.
2006
Really only two guys have had success from this draft.
Vince Young-1st-solid last year but has had some serious growing pains.
Matt Leinart-1st-Bust
Jay Cutler-1st-One good year one horrendous year.
2005-Interseting year for qb's this draft was.
Alex Smith-1st-bust improved but not much
Aaron Rodgers-1st-franchise qb for sure but waited 3 years to become one
Jason Campbell-1st-not a bust but not a hit either
Kyle Orton-4th-Nice value has been an average starter but he does start
Derek Anderson-6th-Good value had one great year and 1 bad one but he played for the Browns, lets see what he can do on a talented team.
Matt Cassell-7th-Great value and KC's starting qb, had a great year for New England.
2004-Great year for first rounders here.
Eli Manning-1st-Good qb Superbowl under his belt already.
Phillip Rivers-1st-Great qb love this guy and his passion.
Big Ben-1st-Great qb but turning into a head case lately
J.P. Losman-1st-bust
Matt Schaub-3rd-Great qb great value
2003-Not a great year for qb's here
Carson Palmer-1st-Good qb
Byron Leftwich-1st-Ok qb but not a franchise guy
Kyle Boller-1st-Bust
Rex Grossman-1st-Bust
2002-Terrible just terrible
David Carr-1st-Bust
Joey Harrington-1st-Bust
Patrick Ramsey-1st-Bust
David Garrard-4th-Great value and outplaying all three of the above.
2001-Well the lower rounds have the better qb in this draft
Mike Vick-1st-Was great but couldnt be smart ended up being released.
Drew Brees-2nd-Great Value and great qb Superbowl Champ now.
2000-Pretty good draft for lower round qb's here
Chad Pennington-1st-Good qb but not franchise very comparible to Bulger.
Marc Bulger-6th-Solid qb with good accuracy great value here
Tom Brady-6th-Great qb and I can't stand him but excellent value
1999-Mixed bag here of hits and busts
Tim Couch-1st-Bust
Donovan Mcnabb-1st-Hit great qb
Akilli Smith-1st-Bust
Daunte Culpepper-1st-Was very good untill Moss left
Cade Mcknown-1st-Bust
1998-Manning vs Leaf lol
Peyton Manning-1st-Maybe best qb ever to play the game.
Ryan Leaf-1st-Maybe the worst qb to ever play the game.
Matt Hassellbeck-6th-Great value and solid starter
So Since 1998 there have been 14 qb's from the first round that have Had success in the NFL from great to average. Since 1998 there have been 15 busts who are either out of the league or just downright terrible right now. Since 1998 there have been 13 qb's drafted from rounds two through 7 that have been average to good for their respective teams. So as you can see it's not how you stated. In fact it is very close and almost even for that matter. So drafting a guy at the top of the draft guarantees you nothing. It's pretty much split down the middle for bad qb's and good qb's coming out of the first round since 1998. Some people don't like it when I call it a crap shoot but your chances to land a franchise qb appear to be 50/50.
Also since 1998 I would only consider 6 franchise qb's from the first round, that have played like franchise qb's throughout their career. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are close but not quite yet. Even If you give them the nod its only 8. P.Manning,E.Manning,A. Rodgers,D. Mcnabb,Big Ben,P. Rivers. In my opinion there have also been 6 guys since 1998 drafted from the 2nd round and beyond that were franchise qb's. Brady,Bulger,Hasselbeck,Cassell,Brees and Shcaub. I can already see some of you bashing Bulger but he was considered one of the better qb's in the NFL at one time and he's a 6th rounder.
I see the need for the Rams to draft a qb I just dont see the need that it has to be Bradford.Aim high Willis, Aim High!Comment
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But you are only looking at QBs in the later rounds who were a success, get a list with ALL the QB's drafted in those Drafts and i bet that it looks a lot better for 1st roundersComment
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Bradford will be the pick of longivity for time and money. Suh not as long and maybe not the best at his spot. Mccoy was pretty consistent in his career at OU Suh kinda came up with the big game against Texas but did nothing in their bowl game. Film showed how to contain him. Bradford is said to not have an injury which pretains too much to throwing. The fact that it was his throwing arm is why we are all worried. And I feel we can get probably just as good of DT in the 2nd or 3rd round as opposed to a QB as good as Bradford. I have definately changed my stance on this issue. I was Suh all the way, not so much now.Comment
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True but the misses on a qb in the lower rounds affect a team a lot less than a miss on the qb in the first round. You miss on a guy in the first round who you will end up throwing a ton of money at sends the team into an additional 3 year tail spin. You miss on a qb in the 2nd round through the 7th and it doesnt kill your teams chances for competing. You tie up so much in a 1st round qb that if you miss it's a franchise killer.Originally posted by CanadianRamsFan View PostAim high Willis, Aim High!Comment
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I have seen a few posts where there is an assumption that Bradford will be better than Marc Bulger. ( this is not a Bradford bash thread). Bulger was a probowl quarterback when he had Big "O" taking care of his blind side and Holt and Bruce to throw to. He was below average with our current line and receivers. If we take Bradford this year, can we assemble enough playmakers for him to succeed next year? I don't see how we will add enough talent to help any quarterback this year. Do we sit an 80 mil quarterback for a year until the tools are in place for him to succeed?-04-08-2010, 07:28 AM -
Forgive me if i am repeating a point thats been raised. I have been slammed at work and unable to participate as actively as i have done in this past. I have posted on this topic inside of other threads, but i thought it might be fun to deal with this topic on a stand alone basis.
This is not a knock on bradford. He has the physical tools to be an excellent nfl qb. Many have questioned his durability. I am not going to debate that point because i think that before the rams invest over 40 million, they are going to satisfy themselves that he is healthy and no more likely to reinjure his shoulder than if he hadnt been hurt the first time. As an aside, a family member of mine practiced with Dr James Andrews and has educated me on injuries of this type. He tells me that these surgeries have a very high rate of success in most cases and there is every reason to believe that bradford will be as good as new. Thats not a guarantee of course, its just a matter of the odds from an objective and educated third party.
What worries me is the lack of track record of bradford under pressure. In his huge year, bradford played entire games without a pass rush getting into his area code, let alone his face. In the national title game vs florida, with guys in his face, he looked pretty mortal to me.
As all of you know from listing to my ranting over the last two years in defense of marc bulger, my mantra of the qb position is that no matter how good you are, you cant throw from flat on your ass, which is where marc bulger has been time and time and time again. What makes a great qb is a combination of his own skills and the weapons around him, starting with an offensive line.
Mike Martz, like him or hate him, has had as much success with qb's as anyone alive. Martz says that leadership, accuracy, toughness and brains are the key to the qb position. There is a minimum required arm strength, but martz said time and again that arm strength is overated and i agree with that. I think the qb is like the president of the usa. He gets too much credit when things go well, and too much blame when things dont go well.
Reasonable people can disagree on this topic, but i continue to contend that if you put peyton manning behind the rams offensive line, we would for sure improve, but i dont think we would be anywhere near a winning team because our offensive line has been a joke for years and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the offensive line will be any better pass blocking wise this year than its been in the recent past. Sure jason smith may get better, but who knows? Peyton Manning, with pass rushers in his face looks mortal and that is with ten years of pro bowl experience. Bradford has no track record in that area. This also explains why i put so little stock in his pro day performance. What does it really mean that he looks great when no one is rushing him. Ryan...-04-05-2010, 03:09 PM -
Numbers don't lie. Ya he had a solid year his junior year but he was surrounded by an all-pro NFL calubur o-line. He is a little light and doesn't take hits too well. SHoulder issues and all I feel he is not the best player for our team in the draft.
Is Bradford that much better than Clausen if Jimmy slips or Pike or McCOy even? I do not think the talent range is that far between these players.
Suh is the player you have to take based off our BPA need. The team needs players now not a QB that will make mistakes his first couple of years especially since we do not have the talent driven offenses that the falcons and the jets have had for Ryan and Sanchez.-03-04-2010, 04:59 PM -
We're coming down to the wire, but there are still a few questions floating around out there that could impact the Rams' draft.
Here are 5 that I'll be keeping an eye on:
1. Will Ben Roethlisberger Be Charged/Suspended
If the Rams are seriously considering passing on Sam Bradford in favor of taking Ndamukong Suh (or Gerald McCoy) and waiting until the 33rd pick to take a QB, they'll have to project which teams in Round 1 might take a QB. If the Ben Roethlisberger is charged with a crime on Monday (when the D.A. is scheduled to announce the results of the investigation), or is supended by the league, the Steelers could be in that market.
2. Will Jason Campbell be traded?
Campbell's status could impact the Rams in two ways. First, if he is traded to a team that might otherwise take a QB in Round 1, it enhances the likelihood that Colt McCoy or even Jimmy Clausen might fall to pick #33. If he is not traded, he could be a fail-safe plan for the Rams if they pass on Bradford and Clausen and McCoy are selected before the Rams' second pick.
3. Will Marc Bulger be signed?
Like Campbell, any team that obtains Bulger is less likely to take a QB in Round 1, which enhances the Rams' chance of pulling off a DT/QB first two rounds.
4. How will Demaryius Thomas run on 4/18?
Thomas has scheduled and eleventh-hour workout to show he has the speed to merit a first round selection. He likely won't be 100%. The result could determine whether he might be available to the Rams at #33 (I think he'd be a great option there), or if he might push down other WRs to the second round.
5. How will negotiations with Bradford's agent go?
At this point, both sides have leverage. Bradford's camp knows that the Rams want Sam. The Rams know that Bradford probably drops all the way to pick #7 (Cleveland) if the Rams pass on him. It will be interesting to see if the parties reach an agreement by Bradford's April 19 visit to Rams Park. If the parties are far apart at that time, could we see another Reggie Bush/Mario Williams scenario?
Stay tuned, sports fans!-04-10-2010, 05:46 PM -
I've lost track of how many times I've read comments from commentators and fans that have expressed the idea that Bradford is worth the 4th or 5th pick in the draft, but not the 1st.
Huh?
How does that make sense?
From the Rams perspective, if they want to take Bradford, obviously it would be advantageous to trade down, get more picks, and still get him.
But what if that option simply is not available? I find it hard to hard to comprehend how anyone can say his combination of size/skill/college production/medical reports/interviews make him good enough to merit the 4th pick, but not the 1st.
When I say this, I'm not talking about his value in comparison to other prospects. I have no beef with someone simply saying "he's worth the 4th pick because he's the 4th best player in the draft." That's not the analysis I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who say "he'd be a reach at No. 1" and then turn around and say "he's a good selection at No. 4."
Again... huh?
A QB selected with the 4th pick in the draft is expected to become the starter no later than his second or third season, and to become a successful starting QB for a decade. If you think QB prospect is good enough to do that, how is he not good enough to warrant the first pick. Isn't a 10 year successful starting QB worth the first pick in the draft?
To me, when the Rams look at Bradford, the quesiton should be is he (1) someone they envision as being a "franchise" QB, or (2) not.
If the answer is (1), he's worth the first pick (that's not to say he'd necessarily be the best BPA, but he would be a worthy first pick). If the answer is (2), he shouldn't be taken with the first, the third, the fifth or the eleventh pick.-02-25-2010, 05:58 PM
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