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  • Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

    Its looking increasingly likely that Bradford will be our first round pick this evening. There has been some criticism that Bradford has come from a spread offense, despite the fact that he did play under center often at Oklahoma.

    There has also been talk of Jason Smith being moved to left tackle, and a possibility that Alex Barron gets traded on draft day. At Baylor, Smith often played out of a two point stance at tackle. Some questioned his ability to run block as a result of this, but from his play last year, especially in the Detroit game, i think its clear there is no run blocking issues.

    However, if Smith and Bradford are more comfortable running out of a shotgun kind of offense, do you think we will see it used more than it has in the past?

    I can see it happening, but im not sure because obviously the offensive focal point is Steven Jackson, and the shotgun makes it more difficult to run the ball.

  • #2
    Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

    Maybe they put in more shotgun plays, sure. But I don't envision this team changing their offensive scheme based on that. They came in wanting to be a power running team that used West Coast concepts in the passing game. I don't think they'll stray from that too much, though it wouldn't surprise me to see a higher frequency of shotgun plays than last year.


    • #3
      Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

      I would do as much as possible without bending my entire team to make Bradford succesful. I think we can expect to see more shotgun formations as we attempt to open up the offense more and become less predictable, but I expect a lot of pounding the rock to take pressure off of Bradford to win us games. If we get an effective second guy then this could very well be a great strategy.


      • #4
        Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

        Originally posted by Nick View Post
        Maybe they put in more shotgun plays, sure. But I don't envision this team changing their offensive scheme based on that. They came in wanting to be a power running team that used West Coast concepts in the passing game. I don't think they'll stray from that too much, though it wouldn't surprise me to see a higher frequency of shotgun plays than last year.
        Oh of course, i dont see us going into a complete, shotgun only O. But i think we will use the gun a fair bit.


        • #5
          Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

          he will have to throw from the stands if he is to be safe. (except in oakland)
          LA RAMMER

          It's Jim not Chris


          • #6
            Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

            I never understood why the Rams didn't use more shotguns with Bulger to buy him a couple extra seconds. I would use shotgun 80% of the time with Bradford like the Colts do with Manning. Why not ? You can run any play out of shotgun plus give your QB a couple extra seconds, plus he is very comfortable with it.


            • #7
              Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

              Hopefully it will be Feely throwing from the shotgun. I don't wanna see the kid get killed already. We still need time to build a line...


              • #8
                Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

                Now that the Rams have drafted Bradford this becomes a very valid concern.

                At this stage untill rounds 2-3 of the draft are done, and preseason is over, I don't think the shotgun would be that affective. Other then draw plays and crazy screen plays, a team in shotgun is pretty much committed to throwing. In the Rams case, at this point in time who are your targets to deliver the ball too? Opposing defenses need but double cover the Rams top 2 WR and go man-to-man with your 3rd and 4th recievers in a Tampa-2 coverage--then what? Dump off pass to S. Jackson? Darn almost sounds like Rams last 2 seasons.

                Fortunately the draft ain't over yet, nor is any other possible acquistions down the road. Personally am hoping the Rams will pick up a moose of a RB or FB to compliment S. Jackson. Besides picking up a speedster for the reciever core, the Shotgun becomes very viable. It adds the the element of uncertainty--will the Rams Run it, throw it or something in between?


                • #9
                  Re: Do the Rams play out of the shotgun more next year if they take Bradford?

                  Unless we improve a great deal on the offensive line (which hopefully starts with a healthy jason smith), the best shotgun formation for Bradford is going to involve more snaps for chris massey. If we utilize the long snapper and bradford starts 15 yards behind center, he, unlike bulger, will have a chance to throw without getting killed.

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                    EARTH CITY, Mo. -- Rams quarterback Sam Bradford stops to ponder the question, searching the deeper recesses of his memory.

                    The question isnt difficult, its a simple test of the mind. But considering how much information Bradford has socked away in the past six years, its not surprising it takes a minute to locate the answer.

                    Talking Xs and Os after another training camp practice, Bradford is asked if he remembers how Oklahoma once built the nations most prolific, up-tempo offense around his right arm and the very brain hes now using to come up with a response.

                    Its hard to remember back that far, Bradford said, a sly grin creeping across his face.

                    Five-plus years really isnt that far but in the mind of a quarterback who learned three new offensive schemes in his first three NFL seasons, that time might as well be translated to dog years.

                    When Bradford arrives at the answer, he begins retracing the steps it took him to a Heisman Trophy in the 2008 season and he begins to connect the dots between the transformation of that Sooners offense and the one the Rams are now building with him as the centerpiece.

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                    Sam Bradford may have come to the fork in the road in his career.

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                    Nobody around Rams camp believes he has any chance of going left.

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                  • RockinRam
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                    First off, I am not an Oklahoma Sooner fan. On the contrary, I am a UT (Texas) fan, which makes it quite of a surprise that I like Bradford so much.

                    Now let's get down to business.

                    In this opinionated argument, I'm not going to harp on Suh. I'm going to stay closely to Bradford.

                    Okay, first point.

                    Devaney and Spags are trying to remake this franchise into their own philosophy and dynasty. In order to do that, they need a "fresh" start. And by fresh start it means setting the future for the most important position the field. The QB. In this perspective, ignoring everything else, Sam Bradford comes in to this team giving the Rams a new identity. It's the start of a new decade, and it should be the start of a new decade of Ram's football. We ended the last decade on a horrible note, stats wise, and it's time to start anew. Bradford coming in gives us that fresh start. No matter what people say about Suh, a fresh QB gives fans and the organization a much needed rejuvinator than a DT would ever give.

                    Second point

                    We are trying to run a West Coast Offense. And by what that means, we are not going to be consistently running huge pass plays, pass plays that require 50 yard bombs. We are running a timing offense, backed by a ground and pound running game led by Steven Jackson.

                    And Sam Bradford would excel in our offense. Why you ask?


                    1) Bradford excels in the short and medium pass routes. His accuracy in these departments are spot-on elite, and he has enough zip to be solid in the WCO.

                    2) He knows how to develop timing with his receivers. That is why the 2008 Oklahoma offense was so prolific. Bradford's timing with his receivers was insane. He is an amazingly smart QB who has great touch, feel, and timing to win in the NFL.

                    That is why he would succeed in our offense. A WCO is based on timing between the QB and WR, and Bradford would wreck havoc once he gets the timing down with our young WR's.

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                    More of why Bradford is a close to perfect fit for our scheme.

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