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    If Bradford finished the 2010 season with the following stats:

    401 attempts
    230 completions
    57.4 completion %
    2,781 yards
    14 TDs
    16 Ints
    73.8 passer rating

    how would you feel about that?



    Now that you've given it some thought, here's where these numbers come from...

    I calculated the averages from the rookie seasons of the following 4 QBs: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and Matthew Stafford.

    The point, of course, is that we can all hope for a Dan Marino-like rookie year, but we should manage our expectations. Each of the four QBs from whom these stats are derived were considered sucesses as rookies, to some degree. The main reason was that each took their team farther than they had gone in the previous year (though, in Stafford's case, only slightly so).

    So... if Bradford does start this year, hope for better team results, but don't look for miracles on the stat sheet.

  • #2
    Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

    I believe we'll need periodic treads like this to sedate the fanbase.....

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    • #3
      Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

      To think, we could have had (enter name of hottest rookie playing)...... That's who I wanted all along.

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      • #4
        Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

        i`d be pleased with the start he would have made...he`ll only get better like all good QB`s do...bearing in mind who we have at RB and expected improvements on a not as bad as advertised D..that could possibly get us more wins than we`ve had in the last 3 years combined.

        progress is what we`ve been making since Billy D & Spags took charge..and that would show signs of it continuing,so there`s no reason for complaints.
        i really do think that those who can`t see what a good job our relatively new regime is doing, don`t quite grasp how deep the hole we was left in when they arrived.

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        • #5
          Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

          401 attempts
          230 completions
          57.4 completion %
          2,781 yards
          14 TDs
          16 Ints
          73.8 passer rating
          It's an improvement. No seriously, it IS an improvement. The 2009 Rams QBs (including Josh Brown's TD toss) are as follows:

          543 attempts
          312 completions
          57.5 completion %
          2,970 yards
          12 TDs
          21 Ints
          64.0 passer rating


          If Bradford put up those hypothetical numbers, it would be the best season for a Rams QB since 2006.
          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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          • #6
            Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

            Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
            If Bradford finished the 2010 season with the following stats:

            401 attempts
            230 completions
            57.4 completion %
            2,781 yards
            14 TDs
            16 Ints
            73.8 passer rating

            how would you feel about that?



            Now that you've given it some thought, here's where these numbers come from...

            I calculated the averages from the rookie seasons of the following 4 QBs: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and Matthew Stafford.

            The point, of course, is that we can all hope for a Dan Marino-like rookie year, but we should manage our expectations. Each of the four QBs from whom these stats are derived were considered sucesses as rookies, to some degree. The main reason was that each took their team farther than they had gone in the previous year (though, in Stafford's case, only slightly so).

            So... if Bradford does start this year, hope for better team results, but don't look for miracles on the stat sheet.
            How many wins?

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            • #7
              Re: How would you feel if these were Bradford's rookie stats?

              Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
              If Bradford finished the 2010 season with the following stats:

              401 attempts
              230 completions
              57.4 completion %
              2,781 yards
              14 TDs
              16 Ints
              73.8 passer rating

              how would you feel about that?
              I'd be pretty impressed, because I believe that would represent the best performance by a first overall quarterback in his first year since Carson Palmer (who actually sat for his rookie year, so we'd be counting his second season).

              For comparison purposes, here's the average of from the rookie seasons of the last four 1st overall QBs (Stafford, Russell, Smith, Eli Manning): 104/201 (51.74%) for 1140 yards, 5 TDs and 11 INTs. QB rating of 54.3.

              It's tough to have any expectations for a rookie quarterback when it comes to stats, because it's such an adjustment from the college game to the pro game. Bradford's going to make mistakes, just like any rookie. I can guarantee you, when the Rams coaches sit down with him near the end of the year, they're not going to be pulling out stat sheets to show him.

              Like you said, it's going to be important to manage expectations and not expect the world from him right away. Conversely, anyone who is calling a rookie quarterback a success after one season also needs to pump the brakes as well, because one year - good or bad - is not enough to conclude whether the guy is a hit or a miss IMO.

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              • Tampa_Ram
                If these are Bradfords stats...
                by Tampa_Ram
                3,500 yards
                26 td's

                would you be happy with this or not?



                I use those numbers because those are Mark Sanchez's numbers in his 3rd year in the league. His complete stats for 2011 are-

                3,474 yards
                26 td's
                18 int's
                4 fumbles
                56.7 completion %

                Knowing Bradford his int's would be lower. I think w can all agree he is a better qb.

                After rewatching our first preseason game, the schotty dink n' dunk isnt near as bad as shumars. shumar goes for 1-3 yard dink and dunk, schotty goes for 5-8 yard ones.

                But anyways, if Bradford ended with those most basic of stats, would you be fine with that?
                etter Yes, it shows hes improving and deserves to be our QB next year.
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                No, he needs to be much better to be given the starting job in 2013.
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                We need to draft a new QB with one of our 1st rounds picks.
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                -08-16-2012, 06:15 PM
              • r8rh8rmike
                Bernie Bytes: Comparing Sam To No. 1 Overall Picks
                by r8rh8rmike
                Bernie Bytes: Comparing Sam to No. 1 overall picks

                BY BERNIE MIKLASZ
                Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:57 pm

                Since this is apparently "Sam Bradford Day" here at STLtoday.com, I thought I'd chip in a contribution.

                We've taken a look at how Bradford compares to other prominent rookie quarterbacks through the last 10, 15 years or so.

                But I've narrowed it a bit: how does he rate when matched against quarterbacks that were also No. 1 overall picks? In many ways it's a more relevant comparison because of the special prestige that comes with being the first overall choice. It puts a QB in a more dramatic category. More guaranteed money is paid to him. More is expected of him. More pressure is placed on him. It's one thing for a kid QB to go 17th overall, 18th overall or even 5th or 3rd overall. (In other words, I'm talking about Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan.)

                But when you're No. 1 overall, people assume and hope that you'll be a transforming figure. The football savior. And that added weight has to make the job and the transition even more difficult than it is. Some guys handle it well. Others do not. So much is invested in a No. 1 overall quarterback -- financially and karmically -- and only the special ones can deal with it and prosper.

                Is Bradford one of the best No. 1 overall picks?

                I'm using this criteria as quick-reference points:

                1. Did a guy play right away? Obviously, you make more impact by playing immediately.

                2. Was he able to win? (Needs no explanation.)

                3. Did he throw more TDs than interceptions?

                4. Was he able to cut down on those drive-killing sacks by showing a feel for the game and getting rid of the ball quickly? That can be a real problem for rookies and young QBs.

                Bradford has a 7-8 record as a rookie starter, with more TDs than interceptions, and a low sack rate that tells us he has he has that inherent ability to know when it's time to let it go.

                Peyton Manning, 1998: Did he start right away? Yes. His rookie record was 3-13. He threw more INTs (28) than TDs (26). His sack rate was lower than Bradford's. Manning set the record for most yards passing by a rookie QB, and he had the big TD total. And a lot of picks. And don't forget that Manning had the luxury of chucking the ball to future Hall of Famers Marvin Harrison and Marshall Faulk. Opinion: Bradford compares very favorably to Manning.

                Tim Couch, 1999: Did he start right away for Cleveland? For the most part, yes. His rookie record as a starter was 2-12. He threw a couple of more TDs than picks. His sack rate was very high. Opinion: clear advantage, Bradford.

                Michael Vick, 2001: Did he start immediately for Atlanta? No. Only two starts -- and eight games -- as a rookie. Vick's record in his first 15 games as a starter...
                -12-30-2010, 02:39 PM
              • FestusRam
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                by FestusRam
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                Player A 317/531/59.7 3,817 22 10 87.7
                Player B 328/551/59.5 3,702 21 13 82.6

                These two stat lines belong to two QBs from the 2012 regular season.

                While in comparison Player A would get the slight edge, the two are pretty close to identical.

                Player A is none other than this years Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco. I think some of you understand where im going with this.

                Player B is our boy Sam Bradford. When you compare the two stat lines, what comes to your mind?

                While Flacco did perform out of his mind in the playoffs, its hard to use that against Bradford, seeing that he has never had the chance. Whos to say the cluth Bradford wouldnt step up and do the same? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Flacco undoubtedly was in a better situation than Bradford last year. He might have lost his coordinator mid-season, but that really had no impact besides slight changes in play-calling. Flacco had the better offense around him, by far. He is in his 5th year with the same offense hes always ran, while Bradford is in his 3rd year with his third consecutive offense.

                What comes to my mind is that we have a young QB who played his first year in yet another offense with a subpar supporting cast and managed to play as good as the Super Bowl MVP.

                If your a Bradford basher, what do you make us this?
                -02-17-2013, 03:30 PM
              • HUbison
                In defense of young Sam....
                by HUbison
                Peyton Manning - 326 for 575; 56.7%; 3,739 yards, 26 TDs / 28 Int.; 71.2 rating
                Dan Marino - 173 for 296; 58.4%; 2,210 yards, 20 TDs / 6 Int.; 96.0 rating
                Matt Ryan - 265 for 434; 61.1%; 3,440 yards, 16 TDs / 11 Int.; 87.7 rating

                Here we have three of the greatest, if not THE three greatest, rookie QB seasons in the modern era. A hall of famer, a certain hall of famer, and a young man off to a solid start. The best of the best when it comes to rookie QBs.

                Don't freak out when/if Bradford does not reach these performances.

                There have been some downright crazy expectations expressed recently regarding the effect Bradford will have on this season. He probably will not reach the aforementioned numbers. He probably will not turn a 1-15 team into a .500 team. He probably will not be an All-Pro this year. He probably will not turn this horrendous offense into a top 10 offense.

                And that's okay.

                He will create a solid base to build on. He will learn. He will grow.

                When/if he doesn't blow the tops off every record book, don't lose your head. Just a little perspective will keep the sky from falling.
                -08-11-2010, 09:27 AM
              • NJ Ramsfan1
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                There have been numerous threads pertaining to Sam Bradford since his arrival in St. Louis. Fans have many times commented passionately- some staunchly defending Bradford while others have maligned his short tenure with the Rams. I think it's important to recognize some basic facts that fair or unfair will always be present when Sam Bradford is discussed.

                1) Disenchantment with one's QB is hardly anything new. Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez and Michael Vick are among the more prominent guys who have been roasted by their team's fan base. Each has had his share of successes and failures as a player. Eli Manning, who has won two Super Bowls, was ripped for several years before his fortunes turned. For the duration of what we hope is an excellent career, Sam Bradford will endure the same questioning and the same second guessing.

                2) Feeling compelled to refute EVERY negative Bradford post is petty and a waste of energy. Recognize that fans are fickle- and that will never change. Ask Cam Newton- who was "great" last year but now "sucks and can't play".

                3) A QB will always get more credit than he deserves when they win and more blame than they deserve when they lose. As a number 1 overall pick,and as a guy many fans were sold on being "the face of the franchise for years to come" Bradford will be scrutinized heavier than most. Expect it.

                4) Stats must be taken in their proper context when defending or supporting a guy. They can be misleading in many ways and can be twisted to support your own argument or refute the other guy's. You can talk about "dropped passes" for instance, but fail to mention spectacular grabs by those same receivers. Or neglect to mention "poorly thrown incompletions to wide open receivers". Things tend to even out over the long term. And one must attempt to be balanced when assessing a guy's performance or body of work.

                5) I am truly convinced Sam Bradford is a winning player. Because he is not Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger does not mean he isn't any good. He has shown me enough over the course of about two full seasons that given proper support he can be a guy ranked in the top third in the NFL at his position.

                6) CONSISTENT WINNING is the only thing that ultimately will mollify fans. The intelligent fan recognizes his team's inadequacies, but at the end of the day is uninterested in excuses or reasons why a guy can't get the job done. Shortcomings on the line or at the WR position can only be talked about for so long before we start becoming apologists for bad QB play.

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                -11-09-2012, 02:20 PM
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