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  • If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

    I look at who we currently have on our roster on the D-Line and I'm a bit concerned. Considering how our D-Line has been a weakness for so long, I'm not sure why it never seems to be a higher priority on draft day or in free agency. Here's what we got:

    Adeyanju, Victor LDE
    Ah You, C.J. LDE
    Wyche, James LDE
    Selvie, George LDE
    Hall, James RDE
    Long, Chris RDE
    Conover, Sean RDE
    Sims, Eugene RDE
    Douzable, Leger LDT
    Bradwell, Chris LDT
    Gibson, Gary LDT
    Robbins, Fred LDT
    Ryan, Clifton RDT
    Scott, Darell RDT

    So who do you have starting where, and are you as concerned as I am?

  • #2
    Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

    I think there will be some open competition, but I'd say the starters would be:

    DE: Long
    DE: Hall
    DT: Scott or Robbins
    DT: Ryan

    The primary rotation players would be: Robbins or Scott (whoever does not start), Gibson, Adeyanju and (I'll go out on a limb) Selvie.

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    • #3
      Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

      I was really concerned after draft day came and went and this is all we had however, this is Spags area. The D line. I think starting we will have something like Long and Hall on ends and Robbins(NT) and Scott(UT) in at DTs. I think Ryan will sub out with Robbins and Gibson will sub out with Scott, but 3rd down is where I think Spags will get creative with all these undersized DEs. I think the packages he creates will give us the pass rush not just the players individual talent.

      To be honest though I'm reaching and HOPING for the best lol

      GO RAMS!!!

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      • #4
        Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

        Im not really concerned at all honestly. Just because guys aren't big names doesn't mean they aren't any good. And 5 first round defensive line picks out of 8 isn't trying to address the line? Also believed we signed Fred Robbins who's presence on the line continues to be unddervalued and underrated by fans (but not by our coaches..). With the crapload that was avaiable in FA then im not sure what you expected them to do in that regards. Ill have to see how next year plays out to assess our D-Line. I guess on paper it seems not ideal, altohugh personally it looks very serviceable to me in that regard. Not going to have stars at every position.

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        • #5
          Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

          If we can get Selvie anywhere near his sophmore year form we would be laughing all the way to the bank. he has put a few pounds on so what weight gain or less is a piece of piss for pro atheletes i have read and heard that after his sophmore year he got double and triple teamed ALOT more also limmiting his productivity. Spags should be able to get the best out of him and if he does we will have an awesome pass rusher in selvie and if that happens he should be more targeted leaving other areas of our d to pick up sacks.

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          • #6
            Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

            Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
            Im not really concerned at all honestly. Just because guys aren't big names doesn't mean they aren't any good. And 5 first round defensive line picks out of 8 isn't trying to address the line? Also believed we signed Fred Robbins who's presence on the line continues to be unddervalued and underrated by fans (but not by our coaches..). With the crapload that was avaiable in FA then im not sure what you expected them to do in that regards. Ill have to see how next year plays out to assess our D-Line. I guess on paper it seems not ideal, altohugh personally it looks very serviceable to me in that regard. Not going to have stars at every position.
            I was speaking of the last 2 years, when we've been abysmal at stopping the run. And I'm not sure where you got 5 out of 8 anyway. Here's the last 8 1st rounders:

            2003 12 Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
            2004 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State
            2005 19 Alex Barron OT Florida State
            2006 15 Tye Hill CB Clemson
            2007 13 Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
            2008 2 Chris Long DE Virginia
            2009 2 Jason Smith OT Baylor
            2010 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma

            I count 3, and only one is still here. I'm not asking for household name pro-bowlers, I just want starting caliber players, not late round projects and FA cast-offs that no one else wanted.

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            • #7
              Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

              I think DE is more of a need than a DT.

              I project our D-Line to be:

              DE: Long
              DE: Hall
              DT: Robbins
              DT: Ryan


              Rotational players:

              DE: Adeyanju
              DE: Selvie / Ah You
              DT: Gibson / Douzable
              DT: Scott

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              • #8
                Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                I dont see the DT's a major problem from last season. Getting pressure on the QB and the amount of time the D spent on the field, is what made the Rams statisticly awful.

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                • #9
                  Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                  D-line definitely despaired more in the 2nd half of games. Perhaps spags felt some tough and rough CB's were the ticket to stop the 3rd down conversions more so than DL's. I believe if the Rams cut down the percentage of successful 3rd down conversions by opponents last season, its a different ball game and the difference between a few losses turning into W's.

                  i'm not worried about the DL's but I am anxious about a lack of depth. without Carriker in the mix too, I think a lot is riding upon Robbins' health. If he or Clifton gets hurt, then i'll start to get nervous about the DL.

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                  • #10
                    Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                    Originally posted by RamFan_Til_I_Die View Post
                    I look at who we currently have on our roster on the D-Line and I'm a bit concerned. Considering how our D-Line has been a weakness for so long, I'm not sure why it never seems to be a higher priority on draft day or in free agency. Here's what we got:

                    Adeyanju, Victor LDE
                    Ah You, C.J. LDE
                    Wyche, James LDE
                    Selvie, George LDE
                    Hall, James RDE
                    Long, Chris RDE
                    Conover, Sean RDE
                    Sims, Eugene RDE
                    Douzable, Leger LDT
                    Bradwell, Chris LDT
                    Gibson, Gary LDT
                    Robbins, Fred LDT
                    Ryan, Clifton RDT
                    Scott, Darell RDT

                    So who do you have starting where, and are you as concerned as I am?
                    I feel like if we are allowed to play them all at the exact same time and while still counting them only as a 4 man line, then we really would have a good looking dline. Any chance they will bend the rules for us?

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                    • #11
                      Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                      RE- Hall
                      UT- Scott
                      NT- Ryan
                      LE- Long

                      Robbins, Adeyanju, Gibson, and 1 or 2 of the rookie should get significant burn in spags deep rotation

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                      • #12
                        Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                        In response to the original post. I don't think that our line is really that bad. Little is obviously sticking around for another year and will get to the QB. Long should continue to improve this year and be more of a factor pressuring the QB. Hall is a very underrated veteran who is consistent year in year out. Things get a little scarier with the tackels, Robbins is the only proven veteran and he's only been good in his career not great. The other guys are all young and are being developed, still there's at least solid depth in there. CB is what scares me.

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                        • #13
                          Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                          What about Ramsey? He did a solid job last year getting pressure to to the QB...

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                          • #14
                            Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                            Ramsey was a pleasant surprise last year, forgot about him.

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                            • #15
                              Re: If nothing changes, who's the starting D-Line?

                              Originally posted by bruce4life View Post
                              What about Ramsey? He did a solid job last year getting pressure to to the QB...
                              Ramsey and his one whole sack was cut back in March. Everyone we have is on the above list. Little may or may not be back again. I hope he does come back for one last year, but we can't count on it.

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