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  • 2010 Starting O-Line

    Note: This is just a thought -I think if we went this way we would have a pretty darn good o-line and very good depth.. what you think?

    Starting O-Line
    LT Smith
    LG Bell
    C Brown
    RG Saffold
    RT Barron

    Yes I know we wanted to get rid of Barron this off season but it didn't happen, so why not play the best of what we have? Except he needs to fix that freaking problem of his FALSE STARTS or at least minimize them!
    Last edited by TheRammer; -04-30-2010, 04:05 PM. Reason: spelling

  • #2
    Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

    I don't think a combination of Saffold (RG) and Barron (RT) is necessarily better than Greco/Fraley (RG) and Saffold (RT).


    Barron is a pure left tackle IMO. Putting him at RT is a stretch. His type of game is not fit for a RT.

    He is not tough, aggressive, and he is definitely not a mauler. What he does is use his long arms to mirror pass rushers, and depends on footwork and technique.


    Saffold on the other hand, has what it takes to transition to RT. He is a tough player who can also be a good downhill blocker in the run game, and he uses strength, footwork and technique to repel pass rushers.

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    • #3
      Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

      I actually have been watching some of the old games and what is standing out to me is how bad are offensive tackles are playing. Smith especially is VERY inconsistent and gets blown by constantly. Don't get me wrong I think he will develop into a fine tackle but he needs to hurry it up.
      The interior of the line is by far the strength of the o-line. We need to find someone, anyone to step it up. I personally would have the starting lineup as:

      LT=Barron
      LG=Bell
      C=Brown
      RG=Fraley/Greco
      RT=Goldberg

      Just my humble opinion.

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      • #4
        Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

        Originally posted by mikhal5569 View Post
        I actually have been watching some of the old games and what is standing out to me is how bad are offensive tackles are playing. Smith especially is VERY inconsistent and gets blown by constantly. Don't get me wrong I think he will develop into a fine tackle but he needs to hurry it up.
        The interior of the line is by far the strength of the o-line. We need to find someone, anyone to step it up. I personally would have the starting lineup as:

        LT=Barron
        LG=Bell
        C=Brown
        RG=Fraley/Greco
        RT=Goldberg

        Just my humble opinion.
        Where are Smith and Saffold in this mix?

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        • #5
          Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

          mikhal you must not have seen Goldberg at RT....

          You also have to take into account that that was Smith's rookie year and he was still transitioning.

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          • #6
            Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

            Originally posted by Bar-bq View Post
            Where are Smith and Saffold in this mix?
            On the bench or in the rotation developing. I did my evaluation with the intent of having Sam starting from the get go.
            Like I said, I think Smith at this stage is a liability, Saffold I don't really know enough to be perfectly honest. I just trust veterans over rookies.
            Bradford is the exception to the rule. I think he legitimately gives us the best chance to win out of all the QB's on the roster.

            But like I said, I'm just another arm chair coach and this is only my humble opinion.

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            • #7
              Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

              Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
              mikhal you must not have seen Goldberg at RT....

              You also have to take into account that that was Smith's rookie year and he was still transitioning.
              I hear you and please don't get the wrong impression, I'm really high on the kid. Our tackles just have me REALLY worried, they get blown by on a constant basis and a TE/RB/FB is expected to stay at home and make the block.

              That's why Bulger was throwing all those swing passes last year to get one on one coverage on the outside. (or at least I'm hoping that was the strategy. lol)
              Last edited by mikhal5569; -04-30-2010, 05:45 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                Maybe the Rams should just go ahead and start taking trade offers for a 6th round pick on Smith. Since he obviously isn't starter ready and all.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                  Originally posted by mikhal5569 View Post
                  .
                  Like I said, I think Smith at this stage is a liability, Saffold I don't really know enough to be perfectly honest. I just trust veterans over rookies.
                  I agree with you in premise about trusting veterans over rookies. It just feels to me like the only way that our rookies become veterans is if they have some sort of playing time, especially in the second year. I can understand letting Saffold play more sparingly this season, but I personally want Smith out there at Left Tackle on every single down. It's the only way he'll get better. I'd like to see Saffold worked into the rotation at guard with the intent of having him start at RT by the end of the season.

                  It's far too early to say that this season will be a wash, and I usually have a problem with that kind of statement, but we are a rebuilding team. As much as I want a marked improvement this year, I can't see much past four wins for this franchise this year. I guess that even that will be a marked improvement and I'll believe the rest of it when I see it. My point is that the best way for us to make a serious run after this year is finish to let the young players play. If they get some on-field experience under their belts, they'll be that much more prepared to make a real go of it in 2011 and beyond.

                  Ironically, the only exception that I have to that rule is Bradford. I'd like to see him sit, at least for a little while. Wait for him to adjust to the NFL lifestyle, wait for him to really learn and understand the playbook and develop some chemistry with the other players on and off the field. When he's ready, you start him. I'd aim for the week after the bye, Nov. 14 vs San Francisco.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                    Originally posted by mikhal5569 View Post
                    I actually have been watching some of the old games and what is standing out to me is how bad are offensive tackles are playing. Smith especially is VERY inconsistent and gets blown by constantly. Don't get me wrong I think he will develop into a fine tackle but he needs to hurry it up.
                    The interior of the line is by far the strength of the o-line. We need to find someone, anyone to step it up. I personally would have the starting lineup as:

                    LT=Barron
                    LG=Bell
                    C=Brown
                    RG=Fraley/Greco
                    RT=Goldberg

                    Just my humble opinion.
                    Make no mistake about it, barring any lingering concussion issues, Smith will be starting at RT, as he should be. When healthy, Smith showed good potential. Sure there were growing pains, but that will change with PT. He's got talent and is a hard worker.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                      Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
                      Make no mistake about it, barring any lingering concussion issues, Smith will be starting at RT, as he should be. When healthy, Smith showed good potential. Sure there were growing pains, but that will change with PT. He's got talent and is a hard worker.
                      Right Tackle, Mike?

                      I can see him making the jump to the left side this year to protect Bradford's blindside.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                        Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
                        I don't think a combination of Saffold (RG) and Barron (RT) is necessarily better than Greco/Fraley (RG) and Saffold (RT).


                        Barron is a pure left tackle IMO. Putting him at RT is a stretch. His type of game is not fit for a RT.

                        He is not tough, aggressive, and he is definitely not a mauler. What he does is use his long arms to mirror pass rushers, and depends on footwork and technique.


                        Saffold on the other hand, has what it takes to transition to RT. He is a tough player who can also be a good downhill blocker in the run game, and he uses strength, footwork and technique to repel pass rushers.
                        RockinRam i couldn't disagree with you more. Rogger Safold is not a mauler type either. He will use all of his strength on blocking but he is not a very strong Tackle to begin with. And Saffold also relies on his footwork. I think Barron will get lucky again and the RT is his spot to lose. I want Saffold to start at RT but at this point its Barron's to lose.

                        And Mikhil This is football not baseball. Football players dont play at a high level for 15 years most play at a top level for about 7 years. So we cant keep riding our future on the bench then see them leave we need to start them now.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                          Originally posted by BarronWade View Post
                          RockinRam i couldn't disagree with you more. Rogger Safold is not a mauler type either. He will use all of his strength on blocking but he is not a very strong Tackle to begin with. And Saffold also relies on his footwork. I think Barron will get lucky again and the RT is his spot to lose. I want Saffold to start at RT but at this point its Barron's to lose.

                          And Mikhil This is football not baseball. Football players dont play at a high level for 15 years most play at a top level for about 7 years. So we cant keep riding our future on the bench then see them leave we need to start them now.

                          He's much of a mauler than Barron is.

                          Saffold, unlike Barron, can actually get to the second level while blocking.


                          And if we start Barron at RT, bad things are going to happen to Bradford...

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                            Saffold as I understand and have heard is a very good technician with a nasty side as well. He can run block and pass block and has good strength. Don't forget that he hasn't undergone an NFL strength program or played in NFL like conditions.

                            If you guys think that Smith will be at RT then your fooling yourself. He can't learn LT if you keep sticking him at RT and he is not being paid RT money. Let's stop being so darn impatient and give the guy a chance first...Since when are rookies all they are going to be in their first year? It's unfair and inaccurate 9/10 times to judge a guys performance off of his first year in the highest stage of football. At some point you have to suck it up and let guys take their lumps instead of trying to be Mama trying for perfect conditions.

                            YouTube - Rodger Saffold vs. Brandon Graham
                            About the only video on youtube of Saffold, but he pretty much controlled Graham throughout every play in the run game and the passing game. There are a couple of plays where Graham gets into his pads and one where he whiffs on a run block. Only gave up one sack all year. This guy, along with an NFL strength regime, will be absolutely fine on the right side. This confirms the scouting reports I've read on him.
                            Last edited by Bralidore(RAMMODE); -05-01-2010, 08:12 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2010 Starting O-Line

                              Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                              Maybe the Rams should just go ahead and start taking trade offers for a 6th round pick on Smith. Since he obviously isn't starter ready and all.
                              Maybe its due to the fact that he is a LT and not a RT.

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                              • TylerBishop
                                Enough, O-line talk
                                by TylerBishop
                                Man, I can't believe how many people I've spoke that don't seem to realize how ridiculous moving players around to positions they've never played before is.

                                I keep hearing, move Saffold to RT, move Smith to LG, etc.

                                Jim Hannifen's expert opinion is Saffold can be a great starting LT that's good enough to me. If you think he can't do that then you need to consider him at LG, you can't put him on the right-side after two years on the struggling on the left, or he will struggle again. He also doesn't have that nasty power to play RT.

                                As for smith you can't swith positions and sides with a guy who hasn't been able to get the hang of things the way he has. For me he can play RT, he has the ability, just not the technique. You may be able to fix him, or he may be Alex Barron, either way he can play RT or probably wash out. You gotta let him try, and find some dpeth behind him.

                                End mini-rant.
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                              • Bar-bq
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                                by Bar-bq
                                With the amount of talent that's fallen to the fourth round so far and the large amount of holes we still have on our roster, I'm curious as to how the Clan would feel if we parted with Barron.

                                At the moment, I'm more than happy with Barron as our starter at RT for the final year of his contract. He'll be a veteran presence in the locker room and whilst he's far from the best first round draft choice we've ever made, he's a beacon of solidity barring his obvious inability to count. By now, we can safely say that he's not special, but he's not "special", either. I'd be content with Barron at RT and Saffold learning the ropes behind him or starting at guard for a year.

                                BUT.

                                I'd kind of like us to be in position to draft more than one of the top players who have fallen out of the first three rounds. If we have a chance to add Griffen and Hernandez via a trade for Barron, I would have to think about it long and hard. What's more, if we could package our 5's together to get into the late fourth, we could end up with three players of value, assuming they're not taken.

                                So what is Alex Barron worth to you? Would you take a fourth round pick in this year's draft in exchange for his services?

                                There are a number of teams who could use a starting caliber RT, especially those seeking to make a one-year crack at a Superbowl. The Colts, the Eagles and the Cowboys spring instantly to mind. On top of that, teams like Buffalo, Denver and Cleveland could all be looking to protect the investments they've made in QBs and RBs.

                                All of this begs the question: What is Alex Barron worth to you?
                                -04-24-2010, 04:20 AM
                              • AlphaRam
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                                by AlphaRam
                                Three false starts today. At least two false starts in the last game against the Redskins. I am ready to drive to St. Louis and tazer his false-starting ass. Is he getting coached by Alex Barron?
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                              • ardavandavari
                                Was not aware
                                by ardavandavari
                                but Barron signed the tender?
                                Lets put him at RT... Smith at Lt . Saffold at gaurd. Jacob and Brown... Thats seems like a solid line. Goldberg and greco off the bench.. Our line is strong if we can stay healthy.. Strong run game and if the D can also stay healthy... We are in a weak division , where all the QBs suck.. Do i dare hope?
                                -05-02-2010, 10:42 AM
                              • RamsSB99
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                                by RamsSB99
                                Bruce Campbell OT 66 315 --- 4.85 40 --- 34 Bench Press

                                I am suprised Bruce Campbell is still on the board in the 4th he plays a position that is very important OT. He is somewhat raw but has all the athletic and physical tools to develop into a very good OT. He was taken in many mocks in the late 1st or early second. I prefer Griffen at this point but would not be upset if we took Campbell even though we already took Saffold. Some have said Saffold could be just as good a Guard as OT. It is inevitable that Barron will be gone at some point and Campbell could back him up for a year.

                                Our future OL after Barron could be:
                                OT Campbell 6'6 315
                                G Jacob Bell 6'4 295 28 (Bell could be replaced in a year or so)
                                C Jason Brown 6'3 320 26
                                G Rodger Saffold 6'5 315
                                OT J. Smith 6'5 305

                                IMO Barrons days are not long in St. Louis they may give him one more year if that but then he is gone. If we get a guy like Campbell then he would give us insurance at OT and if all three Smith, Saffold, and Campbell prove to be good players Saffold could move inside to Guard.
                                -04-24-2010, 04:46 AM
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