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    Anyone else notice during the MNF game last night John Madden talking about Jeff Fisher? He was saying that Fisher started out with the Rams and that John Shaw really wanted him as the next head coach of the Rams. Apparently Georgia wouldn't go for a head coach that was only 33 years old and the Rams wound up re-hiring Chuck Knox.

    Now, I can't stand Fisher but I think he might have been a lot better choice than Knox at that point. I wonder what other changes would have occurred if Fisher would have taken over. I haven't really followed the Oilers/Titans closely enough to know what kind of draft picks he might have made, etc. It's definitely interesting for me to think about as the second coming of Chuck Knox was the beginning of the dreaded worst team of the 90's era for the Rams.

    Anyone else have any good "coulda-beens" for the Rams?

  • #2
    Re: What could have been...

    I heard that also last night and thought it was kind of interesting. The only that I could say is that we probably would have become a defense first team and that we would have played hard all the time. I say that because that is what the Titans are.


    • #3
      Re: What could have been...

      Thanks, Moklerman.

      1971: Coach George Allen, one of my all-time favorites, could have remained with the L.A. Rams -- instead, he was released by then owner, D. Reeves and transferred (along with several Rams) to the Redskins.


      1969 could have been our first Super Bowl win. That season we won our first 11 games... Count them, undefeated 11 straight games.



      • #4
        Re: What could have been...

        I remember as a season ticket holder in Anahiem yelling in frustration at Fisher and the defense a lot. Why I remember that I have no idea. I'm sure the team would have taken quite a different road if he was named head coach.

        My big "coulda-been" has always been Eric Dickerson. He was such a force and such a perfect fit with the Ram offense at the time, it kills me to think of how great the team could have been if he had stayed, especially with an emerging Jim Everett.


        • #5
          Re: What could have been...

          Yeah, the whole Dickerson fiasco brings back bad memories. From what I can remember he basically wanted to be the highest paid rb in the NFL (rightly so) and the Rams refused. Then, to top it off they go out and draft Todd Lyght and pay him more than what Dickerson was asking.


          • #6
            Re: What could have been...

            I don't know if I could stand seeing that mullet on the sidelines every game day.


            • #7
              Re: What could have been...

              Ferragamo not going to Canada. He had the team behind him after the superbowl season and next. Georgia struck again...

              GO RAMS


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              • Rambos
                Why I want Fisher as our HC
                by Rambos
                Why Fisher, let me start by saying I still want Mike here, but it looks like it’s a done deal. So why Fisher, defensive coach, younger coach with 11 year as a head coach don’t ,want a college coach that does not have a clue about the NFL.

                Some numbers on Fisher from his BIO

                98 victories and has amassed more regular season wins than any AFC head coach over the last six seasons with 61. He ranks third overall in the NFL behind Tony Dungy (64 wins, 30 in the NFC) and Andy Reid (63 wins). Fisher led the Titans to four playoff appearances (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003), two Division titles (2000 & 2002), two AFC Championship Games (1999, 2002) and one Super Bowl berth (XXXIV). (61 regular season wins and 5 postseason wins). Last year, he became the fourth youngest coach (46) to win 90 regular season games since 1960. Only John Madden (41), Don Shula (41), and Bill Cowher (44) were faster to 90 wins.

                Former player…

                A former defensive back in college at the University of Southern California, Fisher played for Robinson in a star-studded defensive backfield that included future NFL stars Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith and Joey Browner. Former Titans offensive lineman Bruce Matthews also was one of Fisher’s USC teammates. Fisher’s career statistics included five interceptions and 108 tackles. The versatile Fisher also served as the Trojans’ backup kicker and earned PAC-10 All-Academic honors in 1980

                Hallmarks of a Fisher-led team include stout rushing defense, the ability to possess the ball with a strong running game and poise in the midst of adversity. In nine of the last 10 seasons, the Titans defense has ranked in the top 10 against the run and they are the only team in the NFL that can boast such a streak. In 2003, the Titans finished first in the NFL in rushing defense for only the second time in franchise history (1993).

                In 1991, Fisher headed west to be reunited with his college coach John Robinson, serving as the Los Angeles Rams’ defensive coordinator. “Come home Fisher”.

                He is a University of Southern California, guy! Shaw lives here…maybe he can reach this idiot.

                He young with a ton of experience, I think you have to be young to relate to theses players today. I think he can get the Max out of SJ and build a D that can PLAY.
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              • TNT
                The case against Jeff Fisher
                by TNT
                Hi peeps, Titans fan here.

                I thought I’d come to a Rams board and read the perception going for Fisher. I must say, and I mean no disrespect, but I see the same old myths being posted here that the bulk of non Titans fans seem to believe when it comes to Fisher, so I thought I’d offer a different perspective.

                Myth #1 – Fisher is hard nosed, and makes a disciplined team

                Since leaving the Titans, various media outlets that cover the Titans have noted how the culture has changed for the better under Mike Munchak. In general, Fisher actually ran a very loose ship. At some point he may have been “hard nosed”, but not really any time recently.

                One of the first impressions a Titans beat writer had of training camp under Munchak instead of Fisher described the camp under Fisher used to run as having a “country club atmosphere”.

                As far as discipline goes, in 2010 the Titans ranked 30th in penalties. In 09, 20th. In 08, 31st. In 07, 23rd. How he gets the tag of being a disciplined coach is a head scratcher.

                Myth #2 – Under Fisher, the Titans always had a tough D

                The Titans D under Fisher hardly changed scheme or approach at all throughout his entire tenure. And this scheme was always extremely vanilla. All he really did was rely on his front 4 to get pressure. When the Titans had an elite player there, like Kearse and Haynesworth, the defense did well. When these guys got hurt, all of a sudden the defense struggled big time – and I mean down to down, not season to season. Haynesworth would come out at times in 2007 and 2008 and all of a sudden the Titans D would look horrible. This was because the Titans D had no scheme or coach level answers for a drop in player talent. Injuries effect even the best teams, but a good sign that coaching and scheming is lacking is when injuries seem to make much bigger impacts than some, and on the Titans, it made massive impacts.

                In his last 10 seasons, the Titans defense ranked in the top 10 three times. I’m not sure how that compares to other defensive experts at HC, but I’m guessing not overly well.

                Fisher always struggled bringing in coordinator talent. Greg Williams was his best, but the list is bleak after that. Schwartz was always pegged as better HC material than DC by Titans fans and his D again relied heavily on the raw talent in the front 4. It was poor until Haynesworth exploded in his contract years (07 and 08). Fisher’s latest DC was Chuck Cecil, who the Titans players heavily criticized afterwards and was just plain awful at DC. Oh, and Fisher tried to extend him and in fact did behind upper management’s back shortly before he left the Titans, which fans believe was a factor in Fisher’s leaving. Nice little tidbit I bet not many here knew. If you guys get Fisher, don't be surprised if Chuck Cecil is part of the package in some capacity.

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                -01-10-2012, 05:44 PM
              • r8rh8rmike
                Fisher, Titals Part Ways After More Than 16 Seasons
                by r8rh8rmike
                Fisher, Titans part ways after more than 16 seasons

       Wire Reports
                Jan. 27, 2011

                In a surprising move, the Tennessee Titans have parted ways with Jeff Fisher, who just completed his 16th full season as the NFL's longest-tenured coach.

                The team said in a release Thursday night that "Fisher will no longer be the head coach of the team." The Titans announced the move within an hour of a report by that they were negotiating Fisher's departure.

                Though Fisher, 52, had been derided locally as "Coach .500" or "Coacho Ocho," he seemingly had just survived a battle with quarterback Vince Young. Adams decided to either release Young or trade him on Jan. 5. The owner announced two days later that he would be keeping Fisher.

                Fisher and Young never really jelled in five seasons together after the Titans drafted the former Texas standout with the third overall pick in 2006 under orders from Adams. The relationship frayed even as Fisher publicly defended Young until Nov. 21 when the situation exploded.

                Young tossed his shoulder pads and other equipment into the stands and later had a lockeroom confrontation with Fisher after an overtime loss in which the quarterback suffered a season-ending injury.

                Running back Chris Johnson said Wednesday while practicing in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl he didn't think Fisher or Young could work together after "it hit the fan."

                Johnson, like most everyone else, was cuaght off guard by Thursday's news. "It was a situation where I thought it was going to be one or the other -- Vince Young or coach Fisher -- with at the end of the day both being out the door," Johnson told NFL Network. "So it's a crazy situation, something I really didn't expect to happen."

                In the end, neither Fisher nor Young survived with the Titans.

                Even though Adams announced he was sticking with Fisher for the final year of his contract the move meant Fisher would be coaching for his future in 2011. Fisher has repeatedly said he wanted to finish his career with the franchise, but the coach known for never losing his cool in public while hiding behind his sunglasses may have decided Adams' decision wasn't good enough.

                A team spokesman did not immediately respond to messages from The Associated Press. Fisher did not answer a message left on his cell, and his agent also did not respond to messages from the AP.

                More details could come out Friday when the team is expected to hold a news conference to discuss the first coaching change since the franchise relocated to Tennessee from Houston in 1997. One of the leading candidates to replace Fisher is Mike Munchak, the Titans offensive line coach. The Hall of Famer is a favorite of Adams.

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                -01-27-2011, 06:18 PM
              • Rambos
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                The Rams and Dolphins are vying for the services of Jeff Fisher to be their next head coach.

                One week into the process, the Rams could be closing in on hiring the 26th head coach in the history of the franchise.

                After meeting with former Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher on Wednesday and Thursday last week in Denver, Fisher paid a visit to the Russell Training Center on Sunday, toured the facilities and spent time with quarterback Sam Bradford.

                Those visits came on the heels of a similar visit for Fisher in Miami, where the Dolphins courted him in a comparable fashion.

                By the end of the week, it was clear that Fisher had emerged as the top choice to become head coach for both teams.

                Now, both teams anticipate a decision from Fisher sometimes in the next couple of days according to Kevin Demoff, the Rams chief operating officer and executive vice president of football operations.

                “I think it’s probably fair to say that if he were excited to be excited about coming here, we’d be excited to have him,” Demoff said. “Obviously, there are a lot of things to work through on both sides. You never know how these things are going to turn out but he’s obviously an impressive coach with an impressive resume and we are excited about what we’ve heard so far.”

                Fisher’s visit to St. Louis lasted about four hours; with a chunk of that time spent meeting with Bradford, the team’s third-year signal caller.

                Speculation about Fisher’s ultimate choice has been wild and rampant but it’s clear that Fisher had not yet reached a conclusion on where he wants to coach next.

                In Fisher’s conversations with the Rams’ contingent, it was readily apparent why he had the amount of success he enjoyed in Tennessee as well as a couple of things that you can’t tell from simply looking at a resume.

                “With Jeff, I think we saw a lot of what makes him attractive to the players and coaches who work with him and play for him and get a sense for how he handles different situations,” Demoff said.

                One aspect of the interviews – or conversations, as Demoff prefers to call them – that generally reveals itself is the need for both sides to ask plenty of questions.

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              • r8rh8rmike
                Bonsignore: Jeff Fisher is out of bounds in alienating franchise icon Eric Dickerson
                by r8rh8rmike
                Bonsignore: Rams coach Jeff Fisher is out of bounds in alienating franchise icon Eric Dickerson

                Nov. 29, 2016
                Updated 7:48 p.m.

                Former Rams running back Eric Dickerson, center, has been critical of Rams coach Jeff Fisher, but his comments have been fair and warranted, columnist Vincent Bonsignore writes. (Photo by Keith Birmingham/Pasadena Star-News)


                The Rams have long admired the job Jeff Fisher has done in helping the team make the transition from St. Louis to Los Angeles during the past year. The coach’s role in that difficult situation is one of the justifications cited for potentially extending his contract beyond this season.

                But we now have to wonder how skilled Fisher is with even that responsibility, considering how he naively and absurdly let some criticism by Rams icon Eric Dickerson get so far under his skin he actually had the audacity to call Dickerson and threaten to ban him from the sideline or team functions unless he toed the line.

                Criticism that frankly, was warranted and within reason and completely fair considering the Rams’ record, their offensive performance over the first 10 weeks and the mediocre record Fisher has built over his 22-year head coaching career that leaves him with a .515 winning percentage and three losses away from the record by an NFL head coach.

                But not to Fisher, who called Dickerson recently to express his misgivings before telling the former Rams great if he kept up the criticism, he'd no longer be welcome on the Rams sideline as long as Fisher was the head coach.

                To which Dickerson told me Monday night: “I lit into him after he told me that. I told him: 'You can go back to Tennessee, you can go to Cleveland, you can go to USC or wherever else you might go. But I'm always going to be Eric Dickerson of the Los Angeles Rams. And I have the right to say what I say.’”

                Dickerson said Fisher tried to walk things back at that point, telling him he would always be welcome on the sideline. But the damage was done.

                Dickerson promised Fisher that as long as he was the Rams’ coach, he'd never see Dickerson on the Rams sideline.

                Imagine that. Not even a full season into his first year back in L.A, and Fisher alienates one of the franchise’s greatest players.

                Dickerson first brought up the phone conversation on his Monday radio show on AM 570. He initially declined to say who the call came from within the organization, saying only that it was from someone in “upper management.”

                He said he was content to let it stay right there, but then Fisher was asked about it Monday at his weekly news conference and feigned complete ignorance. In fact, he pointed to a recent phone call with Dickerson he described as “really good” and said Dickerson was always welcome at practices and games.

                A rightfully angry...
                -11-30-2016, 03:41 PM