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  • Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

    Hey guys. Just wanted to first start by saying you guys had an excellent draft and that Sam Bradford is going to be a heck of a QB.

    I was reading about how Carriker played end in a 3-4 base his first year and he did an excellent job. I was hoping to hear/read from Ram fans about how good of a job Carriker did and what are his strengths and weaknesses. Best suited for a 3-4 end as suggested?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

    Originally posted by IBleedBnG83 View Post
    Hey guys. Just wanted to first start by saying you guys had an excellent draft and that Sam Bradford is going to be a heck of a QB.

    I was reading about how Carriker played end in a 3-4 base his first year and he did an excellent job. I was hoping to hear/read from Ram fans about how good of a job Carriker did and what are his strengths and weaknesses. Best suited for a 3-4 end as suggested?

    Thanks in advance!

    I know he played in the 3-4 in college, but we didn't particularly run a 3-4 defense in St. Louis. There were certain packages, yes but nothing like a full defense. Overall in my opinion, Carriker was progressing, but was constantly hampered by injuries and unable to perform 100%. He was also playing all over the line for us at times, and wasn't really able to focus on one position. Perhaps now in this setting he will be able to.

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    • #3
      Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

      He played DT as a rookie. I don't recall him ever lining up at DE with the Rams.

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      • #4
        Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

        Originally posted by IBleedBnG83 View Post
        Hey guys. Just wanted to first start by saying you guys had an excellent draft and that Sam Bradford is going to be a heck of a QB.

        I was reading about how Carriker played end in a 3-4 base his first year and he did an excellent job. I was hoping to hear/read from Ram fans about how good of a job Carriker did and what are his strengths and weaknesses. Best suited for a 3-4 end as suggested?

        Thanks in advance!
        Don't recall him ever playing End for us; especially since we've never lined up in 3-4 for more than a few gimmick fronts over the past several years. Carriker is a talented player who was brought into the wrong situation (the Shawgmunt-run Rams) with the wrong coach (Linehan) and asked to do the wrong thing (play a 4-3 NT). He's a 3-4 End; that's where he will fit.

        The only strike against Carriker is his medical records. He just can't seem to get healthy. It's either his shoulders (totally rebuilt) or his ankles (dang near rebuilt) that has kept him on the skid.

        He seems to be a hard worker, and big strong corn-fed kid. Line him up at the 3-4 End, cross your fingers that he stays healthy, and he'll be a contributor for you.
        The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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          Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

          I dunno...I think Carriker's best chance at success would still be as a rotational UT in a 4/3 alignment if he could stay healthy. If he's given two-gap responsibilities as either a NT or 3/4 DE, he'll disappoint. He's neither big enough to overpower a good OT/hold the point vs a center-guard combo nor quick enough to penetrate/go around an OT.Maybe Haz thinks his smarts & hustle will be helpful enough against the run, esp on first & second down, but The Skins had better get a lot of pass rush from their OLBs. It ain't ever gonna come from Carriker,imo.

          He's no Jack Youngblood, that's for sure.

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          • #6
            Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

            I don't think Carriker is built to play in the NFL. He's a tweener where tweener's aren't successful.

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            • #7
              Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

              Carrriker started one game at DE his rookie season vs ATL and he got a sack. Regardless I agree with Tx he is a tweener.

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                Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                Originally posted by Azul e Oro View Post
                He's neither big enough to overpower a good OT/hold the point vs a center-guard combo nor quick enough to penetrate/go around an OT.
                Oh he's plenty big enough. At 6'6 and over 300lbs, he has more length than a lot of OTs and OGs, and has enough weight to not be bullied around. It's just that his durability effects how he plays, which makes it seem like he isn't strong enough or etc.

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                • #9
                  Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                  Not built for the NFL? A 'tweener?

                  Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Marcus Spears, Shaun Ellis, Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, Igor Olshansky, Luis Castillo.

                  All pretty much the same size as Carriker.
                  All successful 3-4 Ends in the NFL.

                  Carriker is the prototypical 3-4 DE. If he can get healthy, he'll be fine.
                  Last edited by HUbison; -05-12-2010, 03:25 PM.
                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                    He has & always will be a DE, we drafted him and asked him to gain weight and play out of position (which I never understood), it was a ridiculous move & we see the result. If you guys allow him to play at his preferred weight & the position which got him drafted into the league, then you'll be pleased w/ the guy (provided that he stays healthy, which he couldn't do w/ us).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                      Nobody will ever find out if he is any good or not. All he does is get hurt. He was on the Rams for 3 years and we still literally don't know what we had in the guy. Anybody saying he is better as at DE or DT is basically speculating, because he hasn't played enough to know where he would be better suited, or even if he is good enough to be playing in the league period. His main job in the league thus far has been to line the pockets of the team doctors.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                        Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
                        Oh he's plenty big enough. At 6'6 and over 300lbs, he has more length than a lot of OTs and OGs, and has enough weight to not be bullied around. It's just that his durability effects how he plays, which makes it seem like he isn't strong enough or etc.
                        Fair enough. As you say, playing "big" and being literally large are two different things. Maybe he should lighten up to improve that first step (hasn't he struggled to maintain his weight in the 290s?) & since he keeps getting his arms ripped out at the root, maybe that height/wingspan has been more of a hindrance than a help, leverage-wise.

                        In the end, just as with Barron, I'm glad the question is now academic.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                          Originally posted by HUbison View Post
                          Not built for the NFL? A 'tweener?

                          Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Marcus Spears, Shaun Ellis, Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, Igor Olshansky, Luis Castillo.

                          All pretty much the same size as Carriker.
                          All successful 3-4 Ends in the NFL.

                          Carriker is the prototypical 3-4 DE. If he can get healthy, he'll be fine.
                          Fine, then those players are just better than him. He won't make it in the NFL.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                            Originally posted by txramsfan View Post
                            Fine, then those players are just better than him. He won't make it in the NFL.
                            Better? maybe, maybe not.

                            Healthier? So far, definitely.
                            The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Adam Carriker in the 3-4, 4-3

                              Thanks for the responses everyone. Perhaps the Post was wrong when they wrote that he played in a 3-4 allignment his rookie year and excelled. Must have just been particular packages.

                              I guess his health is the biggest issue. They are asking him to bulk to up 315.

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                              • Nick
                                More Nuggets on Rams/Carriker
                                by Nick
                                According to Scout.com, both Scott Linehan and Jim Haslett were present for Nebraska's pro day to watch Adam Carriker, who weighed in at just over 290 pounds. After running another impressive forty (though to be fair it was on a favorable track), Carriker was put through a number of defensive line drills, some of which he had never done before. Reportedly, he looked great.

                                Again, according to Scout.com, the Rams love Carriker's ability as well as his character and personality. But they feel he is capable of playing at defensive tackle and has the ability to comfortably add as much as 35 pounds to his frame.

                                Thoughts?
                                -03-09-2007, 09:56 AM
                              • Tony Soprano
                                Carriker probably can't wait !
                                by Tony Soprano
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                                Carriker has been misused and is playing out of position and I believe he can't wait for things to change around Rams Park.

                                There have been hints that things were terribly wrong with the Ram's organization since Linehan was brought in, but one that stands out is the use of Carriker as a Nose Tackle.

                                Number 1, Big Run Stuffers (one dimensional) aren't that hard to come by - they just aren't. I can name a bunch that have been taken in Round 3 and later.

                                Number 2, Carriker is not a Nose Tackle! When was the last time someone excelled at the Nose that was 6'6"? Leverage is most of that position and a 6'6" NT will have problems consistently getting under the center.

                                Carriker's career is going to be severely cut short from getting stuck out of position in a slot where players are abused and regularly hit from multiple angles by multiple OL.

                                If you put Carriker is say Chicago's system as a DT, he's a player the offense will have to account for.

                                I am ready to move on to a new coaching staff and front office and I'm sure that Carriker is too.

                                /
                                -09-16-2008, 09:05 PM
                              • MauiRam
                                Adam Carriker on the road to recovery
                                by MauiRam
                                By Nick Wagoner

                                Senior Writer
                                In putting the finishing touches on a solid rookie campaign, the normally reserved Adam Carriker couldn’t help but let his emotions get the better of him.

                                Carriker had started the whole season, working as a valuable cog in a defense in which he played every position on the line. Suddenly any joy he had been able to take from his first season work vanished, replaced by the stinging pain in his bent back shoulder.

                                “I’m not going to lie,” Carriker said. “I was pretty livid. I was like ‘Are you serious?’ I go the whole year, I don’t know how many plays I played and then the last game of the year I get hurt. I was really upset.”

                                t was the second play of the game against Arizona on Dec.30, the season finale and Carriker’s last chance to make a strong first impression. As per usual for the defensive tackle, Carriker was taking on a double team.

                                Carriker tried to get off the blocks but felt his shoulder moving in the opposite direction of the rest of his body. Finally, the shoulder popped and Carriker found himself in a great deal of pain.

                                Carriker did his best to play through the pain, finishing the first half and playing the early portion of the third quarter. By then, it had become clear to Carriker and the coaching staff that he was no longer effective and simply trying to tough it out. A quarter and a half early, Carriker’s rookie season ended abruptly.

                                When Carriker arrived back in St. Louis, he met with the medical staff to determine the severity of his injury. The verdict? A torn labrum in his shoulder that would require six months of rehabilitation.

                                In other words, from the time Carriker had surgery in the middle of January, he wouldn’t be able to return to the field until training camp in July at the earliest.
                                At least, that was what the doctors ordered. But judging the progress Carriker has made in the past four plus months and the fact that he’s doing some individual work at this weekend’s minicamp, there’s a strong chance Carriker will not only be ready to go in time for training camp but could be at full strength.

                                “I think it is amazing how fast he has recovered,” coach Scott Linehan said. “Generally, with an injury like that, it is four to six months before you can do anything. I think in this case he could probably be able to play a game if we had to play one. I said it was youth but I think a lot of it has to do with work ethic and want. That guy has been busting his butt since the end of the season to get to where he is at. It has really paid off.”

                                Indeed, Carriker has attacked his rehab with the same voracious appetite that helped make him the Rams’ No. 1 pick in 2007. Soon after his surgery, Carriker wasn’t able to lift his arm above his shoulder without the help of someone else.

                                Within a few weeks, his range of motion...
                                -05-11-2008, 04:33 PM
                              • Milan
                                Carriker Back to DE?
                                by Milan
                                We have La'Roi Glover and Clifton Ryan at DT who are pretty capable of playing the position and Carriker can play RE alongside Little who'll play LE.

                                The only issues I can see is how long La'Roi will be in the league and if he can play almost every down.
                                -01-02-2008, 10:37 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Carriker: A real run-stopper
                                by RamWraith
                                By Bill Coats
                                ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                                05/03/2007


                                Kevin Cosgrove has been around. So his declaration, made without hesitation or qualification, that Adam Carriker is "the best defensive lineman I've ever coached" not only should raise eyebrows, but also raise hopes among Rams fans.

                                Cosgrove is the defensive coordinator at Nebraska, where Carriker — the Rams' first-round draft pick (No. 13 overall) last weekend — was the Big 12 Conference coaches' choice as defensive lineman of the year in 2006.

                                Cosgrove has been a college assistant since 1983, including 14 years at Wisconsin and seven at Illinois, and Carriker is the fourth first-round draft choice he has coached. In that time, Cosgrove has seen and developed plenty of talent. He said Carriker separates himself from the others in three ways:

                                "One is his character and his ability to upgrade a locker room; it's outstanding," Cosgrove said. "Two is his intelligence; it's tremendous. And three is his athletic ability and size; I've never seen a kid with his kind of combination."



                                Carriker, who is 6-foot-6 and 296 pounds and a three-time all-league academic honoree, can dash 40 yards in 4.7 seconds and bench-press 440 pounds. He was an end at Nebraska, but the Rams plan to move him inside.

                                "In a crunch, he could probably play every position along the defensive line," Rams coach Scott Linehan said. "The best thing he does is play the run."

                                That should be welcome news for Rams fans weary of watching opposing backs piling up yards. In the last three

                                seasons, the Rams have finished 29th, 28th and 31st, respectively, in rush defense in the 32-team NFL.

                                Linehan already has penciled in Carriker, who will turn 23 on Sunday, as his starter at the "3-technique" spot, next to the nose tackle.

                                "I would love to step in and play right away, but I know it won't be handed to me," Carriker said. "I plan on earning that spot."



                                From QB to defense

                                Dave Carriker grew up in rural Nebraska, where he developed a deep devotion for Cornhuskers football.

                                "I had Nebraska-red blood in me," he said.

                                He was working in the chemical division of an oil refinery in Hastings, Neb., 20 years ago when the company transferred him to eastern Washington. Dave and wife Nancy, a nurse, raised Adam and his older siblings, sisters Keri and Gina, and brother Darren, in Kennewick, a town of 60,000 on the Columbia River.

                                Adam was plenty active as a youngster.

                                "He had a little bit of fire in him," Dave said. "But he was never too much of a handful. He was a pretty typical kid."

                                Except on a football field. Adam began to lift weights in eighth...
                                -05-03-2007, 05:16 AM
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