Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Atogwe: How did we get here?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Atogwe: How did we get here?

    O.J. Atogwe has never come out and publicly complained about his contract. That does not, however, mean he has been reasonable in his demands.

    Let's review...

    Atogwe's first contract was a three-year deal signed after he was drafted in Round 3 of the 2005.

    In 2007, his rookie contract expired. At that point, Atogwe had become a very productive starter, having finished 2007 with 75 tackles and 8 interceptions. The Rams retained him with an RFA tender of about $2M. They likely did not push too had for a long term deal, given that they were negotiating with Steven Jackson at that time (signed just before the 2008 season).

    Last year, Atogwe became a UFA. Again, Atogwe was coming off a fine seaso (85 tackles, 5 interceptions,6 forced fumbles). The Rams tried to sign him to a long-term deal, even before the season ended. Ultimately, the Rams retained him with the franchise tag and paid Atogwe nearly $7M.

    I think its fair to say that, at that point, both sides were gambling. Had Atogwe accumulated similar stats in 2009 to those he had in 2007 and 2008, he might have made the Pro Bowl, and he'd clearly command elite FS money.

    Instead, Atogwe had a somewhat down season, and finished the year on injured reserve. He is now coming off two offseason surgeries.

    Given these circumstances, the Rams did no wish to tender Atogwe a sum that would lock him in, as doing so could result in paying $7M to a player who might not even be 100% healthy. Instead, the Rams made a low tender and retained a right of first refusal, hoping to sign Atogwe to a long term deal.

    Those efforts have, at this point, failed, and Atogwe is now a UFA.

    So... who's to blame?

    I'd say, nobody is. Both sides have behaved in a rational manner, applying varying degrees of risk aversion.

    In hindsight, I think one could argue that Atogwe waited too long. He should have signed a long-term deal in 2009 when his value was at its highest. Now, if he is seeking the kind of money he would have received then, he might not only be pricing himself out of the Rams' market, he might also be eliminating several other teams.

    I do think there is a reasnable middle ground that makes sense for both sides, but I don't know if they'll meet there. If not, I'm not going to blame anyone. I'll just wish Atogwe luck and hope the Rams find their answer at FS on the current roster or among the remaining FAs.

  • #2
    Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

    Pricing himself out of the market seems to make sense. All I've read about interest in him on the open market has been negative. Nobody's interested in a near 30, injured FS.

    However, we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. I wish we did, but for now, we'll just have to wait. I do believe however, that his injury is probably buying us some time. Hopefully we make the best move for the franchise, although I personally fail to see why we can't just pay the man this year.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

      I do believe however, that his injury is probably buying us some time. Hopefully we make the best move for the franchise, although I personally fail to see why we can't just pay the man this year.[/QUOTE]

      I agree,,,there is no reason not to, unless there is more to the shoulder than is whats reported.

      But doesnt the shoulder injury point to his charicter as well, AV remarked that he would have made the pro bowl had it not been for the injury. Didn't he get the injury playing? In combat, if you get injured, you get recognised with a Purple Heart and benefits galore.

      From what I have read he just wants what the other guys are getting. equal pay for equal work.

      Since Atogwe came into the league as a third-round pick out of Stanford in 2005, he has had a hand in 41 takeaways an average of 10.25 per season.
      No player in the NFL has had more as the Ravens' Ed Reed is second over that period with 39.
      Atogwe has piled up his numbers playing with a team that has been inept rarely playing with a lead and never benefiting from a consistent pass rush or solid run defense.By Dan Pompei

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

        Those stats are damn impressive. I love the guy and hope he comes back. He will now realize that he is asking for a little to much. He will settle for less hopefully and we punce on that deal.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

          Originally posted by lordwhttgr View Post
          But doesnt the shoulder injury point to his charicter as well, AV remarked that he would have made the pro bowl had it not been for the injury. Didn't he get the injury playing? In combat, if you get injured, you get recognised with a Purple Heart and benefits galore.
          First of all, I never said he "would have" made the Pro Bowl.

          Second, what in God's name are you talking about? Yes, he was injured while he was playing. You don't get a new contract for that. You get a new contract if you are expected to play at a high level in the future.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

            First, "I think its fair to say that, at that point, both sides were gambling. Had Atogwe accumulated similar stats in 2009 to those he had in 2007 and 2008, he might have made the Pro Bowl, and he'd clearly command elite FS money." by Avenger Ram

            my bad.

            Second, I was just repeating what he and others have said. i.e. 41 TO since being hired 10.25 per season. Best in the league.

            hence, hire the guy for the 7 mill.
            Last edited by lordwhttgr; -06-03-2010, 06:22 PM.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

              I think Atogwe is overplaying his hand here. If there was such a demand for his services at his asking price, he'd be locked up already. He is coming off a down year, significant surgery and is approaching 30- the downside of one's career in the NFL. Giving him a king's ransom simply isn't fiscally responsible nor is it good business. I would agree with AV's assertion that no one is really at fault here: Atogwe is trying to get the best deal possible and the Rams are trying to be prudent and responsible. Nothing wrong with either.

              Trouble is, I'm not sold on Craig Dahl as his potential replacement. He also has had injury issues and overachieved last season. He's not going to hurt you out there, but he's not much of a playmaker at the position, either.

              Ideally, Atogwe will back off his high asking price and he'll remain a Ram. Not hopeful it will happen, though.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

                Unfortunately for us the fans we don't know the whole story. Is the coaching staff as high on Atogwe as we are? All we know are the stats.. We don't have the luxury of sitting down and going over game films. Focusing on Atogwe's every play. For all we know Atogwe could be lacking in areas we are unaware of. Whatever it is we should trust that Despags has a handle on whatever game they are playing. Afterall one man doesn't make a team.
                sigpic :ram::helmet:

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

                  Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
                  I think Atogwe is overplaying his hand here. If there was such a demand for his services at his asking price, he'd be locked up already. He is coming off a down year, significant surgery and is approaching 30- the downside of one's career in the NFL. Giving him a king's ransom simply isn't fiscally responsible nor is it good business. I would agree with AV's assertion that no one is really at fault here: Atogwe is trying to get the best deal possible and the Rams are trying to be prudent and responsible. Nothing wrong with either.

                  Trouble is, I'm not sold on Craig Dahl as his potential replacement. He also has had injury issues and overachieved last season. He's not going to hurt you out there, but he's not much of a playmaker at the position, either.

                  Ideally, Atogwe will back off his high asking price and he'll remain a Ram. Not hopeful it will happen, though.
                  This is likely his only chance at a big contract - he isn't getting any younger. It makes sense for him to try and make the most of it. Naturally he's gonna start out asking for a bundle - why not? Conversely, it isn't likely he'll retire if he doesn't get his asking price. Given that he's still rehabbing from surgery, there really isn't any rush. If he waits until camp starts, another team could lose a starting FS, and O.J. would have a little more leverage with said team. If there are no injuries by the time he gets healthy, staying with the Rams would make sense, as he already knows the system. From this fan's perspective, O.J. is merely doing his due diligence in trying to get the best deal possible .. Can't blame him for that .. Av summed things up pretty well in his post starting this thread ..

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Atogwe: How did we get here?

                    Originally posted by MauiRam View Post
                    O.J. is merely doing his due diligence in trying to get the best deal possible .. Can't blame him for that ..
                    And the Rams are doing the same. You can't blame them either. Looks like we've got this all wrapped up. Let's move along people, nothing to see here!

                    Comment

                    Related Topics

                    Collapse

                    • shower beers
                      Atogwe possibly done for season
                      by shower beers
                      This is per rotoworld:


                      Rams FS O.J. Atogwe may miss the rest of 2009 after suffering a serious shoulder injury in Sunday's loss to Chicago.
                      Atogwe, the Rams' franchise player, has two options. He could finish out the year in a shoulder harness -- essentially playing with one arm -- or shut it down and get surgery out of the way early. The Rams would probably prefer Atogwe sit out the final four games considering their 1-11 record, rather than risk an aggravation. He'll seek more opinions before making a decision.
                      Source: St. Louis Rams on Twitter


                      ------------

                      You'd have to think the most logical decision would be to shut him down for the year. There's no sense in risking further injury to him, especially if we plan on signing him to an extension this off season.
                      -12-07-2009, 01:50 PM
                    • r8rh8rmike
                      Atogwe Hopes To Be Back After Release From Rams
                      by r8rh8rmike
                      Atogwe hopes to be back after release from Rams

                      BY JIM THOMAS
                      Saturday, February 19, 2011

                      Even with his release Friday by the Rams, safety Oshiomogho Atogwe says he hasn't closed the door on a possible return to the team.

                      "My agent and myself have established a really good negotiating relationship with them, so were we to do something again (with the Rams), I don't believe it'd be a difficult task," Atogwe told the Post-Dispatch. "Because there's no bad blood there. We should be able to get something done."

                      The only problem for several years has been agreeing on Atogwe's value in terms of a multi-year deal. Rather than pay an $8 million roster bonus that was due Atogwe on Monday, the Rams released the six-year veteran.

                      "It's disappointing to be back in this situation, again," Atogwe said. "Not being able to actually be set at this point in time in my career it's disappointing."

                      The relative security of a long-term contract has proven frustratingly elusive for Atogwe, a third-round round pick out of Stanford in 2005.

                      "I'd say it's frustrating along the lines that I haven't been able to feel at home since my rookie contract," Atogwe said. "Where you say, OK this team wants me for the long haul, for the long term."

                      Atogwe was franchised following the 2008 season, then in a wrinkle of the uncapped year, reverted back to restricted free agency following the 2009 season. As for this offseason, there's no doubt that the current labor impasse between players and owners, and pending lockout, have caused teams to be more conservative financially.

                      "Yeah, it has been difficult," Atogwe said. "I think that's why it's very important for us to really get a CBA done, in place and secure, so that other guys won't have to go through a similar situation as myself. And that the teams can really move on in paying their bills and grow for the long term. But for me it's definitely frustrating. I'm thankful that I still have peace throughout this, knowing that it's going to work out the way it's supposed to."

                      Because he is a released player, Atogwe is free to sign with any team immediately. However, if there is no collective bargaining agreement by March 4, no veteran players even released players such as Atogwe can sign new contracts at that time.

                      So Atogwe has a 13-day window to shop the market, but he plans to wait until there's a new labor agreement before doing so.

                      "I would say I'm just going to take this time to let God speak to me and go from there," Atogwe said. "I am going to wait till the market opens and then go from there."

                      Besides the $8 million roster bonus, Atogwe was due a $3.5 million base salary with the Rams in 2011, meaning he would have been...
                      -02-19-2011, 01:58 PM
                    • MauiRam
                      Atogwe will remain with Rams
                      by MauiRam
                      Atogwe will remain with Rams
                      By Jim Thomas
                      ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                      04/19/2008

                      NOVEMBER 11, 2007--Oshiomogho Atogwe #21 of the St. Louis Rams is tackled after making an interception by David Patten #81 of the New Orleans Saints.
                      (Chris Graythen/Getty Images)

                      Apparently, the first-round tender offer placed on Rams safety Oshiomogho "O.J." Atogwe by the team was steep enough to scare off any potential suitors.

                      Friday was the deadline for restricted free agents to receive contract offers from other NFL teams. And by late Friday afternoon, the Rams had received no such offer sheet on Atogwe. The exact deadline was 11 p.m. Friday, but league sources told the Post-Dispatch earlier in the day that none would be forthcoming.

                      Had Atogwe gotten a contract offer, the Rams would have had the option to match the contract. Had they decided not to match, they would have received a first-round draft pick as compensation from the team that signed Atogwe.

                      Atogwe is expected to sign his one-year tender offer of $2.017 million with the Rams in the near future. Even while in limbo, he has been a regular at the team's offseason conditioning program this spring. Eventually, the Rams want to sign Atogowe to a long-term contract, but they have had only preliminary talks with Atogwe's agent on a new deal.

                      Atogwe, 26, led the NFC and was second in the NFL with eight interceptions last season. The third-round draft pick out of Stanford in 2005 finished third on the team in tackles (94) last season and also forced two fumbles
                      -04-19-2008, 02:45 AM
                    • Damned Ramz
                      O.J Atogwe situation
                      by Damned Ramz
                      Does anyone have any theories or know why the rams decided to give Atogwe the lowest tender? why not at least make a team give up a draft pick to sign him???

                      As he still hasn't been signed by another team, maybe I'm just over valuing him, but as last years franchise player and just from watching him play, its hard for me to believe that he isn't worth at least a fourth round compensatory pick.
                      -03-12-2010, 02:51 PM
                    • r8rh8rmike
                      Atogwe Will Skip Offseason Programs
                      by r8rh8rmike
                      Atogwe will skip offseason programs

                      BY JIM THOMAS
                      ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                      03/12/2010


                      A year ago at this time, safety Oshiomogho Atogwe showed up for the start of the Rams' offseason conditioning program and took part in minicamps, OTAs (organized team activities) and training camp.

                      He didn't miss a thing even though he was named the team's franchise player, an unpopular designation for players seeking long-term deals.

                      But that won't be the case this year. The Rams' offseason conditioning program begins Monday, and Atogwe will not be in attendance. In fact, barring a change in contract status, Atogwe will be a no-show at all team activities this spring and summer, according to league sources.

                      Atogwe and his agent have declined comment since the Rams last week tendered Atogwe at $1.226 million, the lowest possible tender as a restricted free agent for someone with Atogwe's experience level in the NFL.

                      Those who know Atogwe say he's not angry, that he gets it he understands this is the business side of the NFL. Nonetheless, those close to Atogwe say he isn't sure what to make of the Rams' low tender offer and wonders if the Rams might be dangling him as potential trade bait.

                      At the low tender level, the Rams have matching rights if Atogwe gets an offer from another team. But the Rams get no draft pick compensation if they decide not to match. But if Atogwe does get an outside offer, there's nothing to stop the Rams from telling the other team: "We won't match if you give us a draft pick."

                      This is the third offseason in a row that Atogwe has sought a long-term deal. He played as a restricted free agent in 2008 under a one-year tender of just over $2 million. Last year, he played for $6.34 million as the Rams' franchise player.

                      Had the Rams tendered Atogwe at any other level this offseason, he would've been entitled to $6.976 million in 2010, or 110 percent of what he made last year. So at the moment the low tender is costing him $5.75 million

                      The collective bargaining agreement hasn't been kind to Atogwe. Because 2010 is an uncapped year, Atogwe reverted back to restricted free agency status this offseason. With five years NFL experience, he would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency in a year with a salary cap. But in an uncapped year, it takes six years experience to be unrestricted.

                      On Monday, when the Rams' start their offseason conditioning program, Atogwe will be in Hawaii for the NFL Players Association's annual convention. Once he returns, he will continue his rehab from shoulder surgery and work out on his own away from Rams Park. Before suffering the shoulder injury Dec. 6 against Chicago, Atogwe had started 60 consecutive games for St. Louis. Since becoming a full-time starter in 2006, Atogwe has more interceptions and forced fumbles...
                      -03-12-2010, 11:23 AM
                    Working...
                    X