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  • Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

    I hope someone will respond to this post. Last week, i said basically the same thing and no one responded, probably lost in the euphoria of the great comeback win vs. the seahawks.

    Bottom line, williams is getting killed one on one every week. Happened against new orleanes, seattle and again tonight. We really miss turley. I like williams and i think he is ok, but in our offense (remember the st clair debacle), with all the deep routes we run and all the receivers out in the pattern, it is a real problem when the right tackle is getting beat one on one consistently.

    The easy answer is that we have to give him more help. I know that this disrupts some of the things we want to do offensively, but sacks aside, the hits bulger is taking are coming frequently from williams' guy.

    Am i overreacting or does anyone else see the same thing i am seeing.

    ramming speed to all

    general counsel

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    Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

    Williams could have definitely used some help tonight. There were times when he was just getting beat around the corner and couldn't push his defender around. I think we really need to think about spending a day one pick this offseason on a young right tackle that we can develop.

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    • #3
      Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

      No general I'm seeing the same thing, Greg spires was having his way tonight with Grant...Spires was JUST bull rushing Grant all night... Won't Turley be back next year??????or is that IT for the big man!!!


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      • #4
        Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

        It is highly unlikely in my opinion that turley will ever be back. He has been on tv and looks like he weighs under 250. I really hope i am wrong, but just my gut feeling and consistent with what i have read.

        great win.

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        • #5
          Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

          I was seeing it last night also. Grant was getting beat and Bulger gave a look after one of his sacks that showed he was irritated about it. I hope the offensive line coach is looking for options to strengthen up that side of the line.
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          • #6
            Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

            Is Tercero a better option when Dishman returns to LG?

            (Funny: Tercero means third i.e. third option at RT)

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            • #7
              Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

              Am I the only one the thinks Williams is an OK option?

              Man he got beat, so did Pace. Turley got beat consistently last year. Williams is not perfect, but neither is Turley or Timmerman or Terrcero or PACE.

              For the situation Williams was put in, and the circumstances that he got his job and the things that happened to this team in this situation, what other option is there????

              Williams is the furthest thing from our main problem. I guess I would prefer to look on the other side of the ball to look at problems.

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              • #8
                Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

                Well, Pace got beat once - by Rice, a Pro Bowl DE, but otherwise was dominant.


                Williams is definitely having problems. He's going to need more help.

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                • #9
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                  Jason, i dont disagree with you that he is not the biggest problem on the team. However, i disagree with your conclusion that he is getting beat with any kind of comparable frequency as turley did last year. Pace got beat on one play all night and bulger stepped into it. Its not just the sacks that worry me, its the consistent nature of the hits that bulger is taking from williams' side, week after week. I am not saying at all that he is terrible. He is ok, an average right tackle and i am very very happy that we have him given turleys injury. But at this point, how much better is he than st clair, who we all villified and crucified. In our offense, the reason we paid $10 million up front for a right tackle was we felt that outstanding was very important given the nature of our offense. I think the interior line protection has been pretty good, but we need to give williams some help at least from time to time.

                  Gordos comment on fixing the blocking "scheme" makes no sense to me. Williams' problems are not scheme issues, he is just getting beat man on man, even against a three man rush, which just cant happen.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

                    This is the St. Careless situation all over again. All during Careless's tenure, the faithful said he was a workable replacement, yada, yada, yada. He single-handedly changed the future of the QB position with his ineptitude. Williams is poised to do the same thing.

                    It's not sMartz fault Turley is hurt. But 6 games into the season is long enough to show that Williams needs to be replaced immediately. He has managed to make the right side the blind side. Take a look at his arms. They rival MB's for lack of muscle and definition. He's lucky to be able to curl a pint. Add to the lack of strength, his uncanny ability to look like he is moving his feet as though John Gotti fitted him with cement shoes, and the Rams can't afford to wait to the off-season to address RT again. They need to trade for some help now ... before MB gets blamed for his fumblelitis like KW was. Or before MB is asking KW what exercises he used to rehab broken fingers.

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                    • #11
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                      I don't think Grant Williams belongs in the NFL but with our current salary cap situation, and the fact we just can't go outside Rams Park and pick O lineman off a tree, we are stuck with what we have.

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                      • #12
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                        Williams belongs in the NFL otherwise he wouldn't have made the Rams or Patriots squad. The fact is good NFL tackles are very hard to come by...the drop of talent from players like Pace and Ogden to guys like Williams is pretty steep. It's the same thing with shutdown corners, they are few and far between...Martz needs to game plan around Williams lack of ability..which I thought he did a better job of in the 2nd half last night...using screens, counters and draws...

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                        • #13
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                          I think the point here is that at this point of the season, there really is no viable replacement option. Thus, the answer has to be some game planning as the previous post suggested, to get williams some help.

                          My solution, line up faulk more often on the passing situations, make him available to help block, and let him be open as a check off option to bulger. I think we do some of this anyway, but i would like to see if more often.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Grant Williams Part 2- someone please respond!

                            Given the fact that he isnt a starting calibur RT, I think he has done a decent job so far this year. However, it could cost us a game as one of his sacks did lead to a Bulger fumble in our own territory.

                            All in all though, its tough to get mad at a guy who is supposed to be a backup and is playing one of the toughest positions in football as a full-time starter.

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                            • #15
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                              Williams is an NFL caliber starting RT - but not in the Rams' offense.

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                                Stating the Obvious, Grant Williams is a Menace!
                                by Guest
                                You had to know it was only a matter of time before grant williams got bulger injured. We may have dodged a bullet if indeed the reports of the injury being only a bruise are accurate, but this was bound to happen. Its a miracle that bulger has not been killed by now.

                                Williams is repeatedly beat every way imaginable. Speed rush, bull rush, Glendonn Rush, it doesnt seem to matter. As i have said for weeks, he is probably the best #3 tackle in the nfl, but with the deep patterns our offense runs, he is completely unworkable.

                                The irony of course is that the play that got bulger hurt was by no means the hardest or most awkward hit he has taken. Its simply the law of averages. The more likely you get hit and slammed to the turf with a 300 plus pound guy falling on you, the more likely you are to get hurt.

                                I thought the line protected very well today. The pressure came 99% over williams and sapamamliamula. Unfortunately, with tercero out for the year and sapamamliamula learing the position, williams is really the best option we have, which is a sorry situation and does not bode well for the continued health of our qb's whoever is in the game.

                                I hate to beat a dead horse, but the turley injury just devasted this team from both a personnel and cap perspective. It has totally changed our offense.

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                                -12-05-2004, 01:43 PM
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                                Anyone else a little concerned about grant williams
                                by Guest
                                Grant Williams gutted it out today and really rallied at the end, but he was dominated for much of the game. Same thing that happened in the new orleanes game with charles grant and the atlanta game. I think we need to give him a little more help. I am not saying williams is bad, i think he is adequate, but he needs to be better one on one when we run our deep patterns.

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                                -10-10-2004, 06:10 PM
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                                Grant Williams needs to rest....
                                by Guest
                                I dont see how we can let grant williams play on friday night. he is now a key guy for us this year and while i applaud his willingness to play with pain to help the offense find its rhythm and protect bulger, now is NOT the time to be a hero. We need him at full strength for opening week and i dont see how we can afford to take the risk that he aggrevates the ankle. I read he is in a walking boot when he is not actually on the field. During the season is one thing, but this is preseason. Seems too risky to me.

                                any thoughts.

                                general counsel
                                -08-25-2004, 05:47 PM
                              • RamDez
                                Grant Williams maintains role in place of Pace
                                by RamDez
                                Grant Williams maintains role in place of Pace
                                By Bill Coats
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                08/08/2004




                                MACOMB, Ill. - Like an understudy on Broadway, Grant Williams needs to know the lead role inside and out. And yet he has to be prepared to step aside when the star shows up.

                                In this case, the star is All-Pro tackle Orlando Pace. With Pace again skipping training camp because of a contract dispute, Williams is playing the same part he did last year: filling in on the left side until Pace shows up.

                                Williams, 6 feet 7 and 320 pounds, says he doesn't mind the job.

                                "You have to do what got you to the NFL, just work hard and do what they tell you to do and let the cards fall where they may," he said. "It'd be different if I had to give my spot up for someone who was not a quality player. But 'O' is one of the best tackles in the game, so he's got to be out there. Hopefully we'll get him in sooner rather than later so he can get some work and go from there."

                                Williams' plight isn't as bleak as it might seem. He can play both tackle spots, and with right tackle Kyle Turley fearful that the reoccurrence of pain in his surgically repaired back could signal a serious condition, Williams might wind up with a starting job after all.

                                That wouldn't bother coach Mike Martz.

                                "This is the best he's looked since he's been here, for sure," Martz said. "He doesn't make any errors; he's a very solid player. If he's going to play, I'd be very pleased with him. I can't tell you how fortunate we are to have him here."


                                -08-09-2004, 03:07 PM
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                                A homecoming brews for Williams
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                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                10/06/2004


                                It was Seattle that gave Grant Williams his first cup of coffee in the NFL - and his first cup of Starbucks.

                                "That's fairly addictive," Williams said, speaking of the coffee brand, not the Seahawks. "That is where I got hooked on it. It tastes a little better there."

                                This season, Williams is getting a taste of what it's like to be a full-time starter for the first time in his nine NFL seasons. The closest he had come previously was the 1999 season in Seattle, when he took over in Week 2 and started 15 times for coach Mike Holmgren's first Seahawks squad.

                                Because of Kyle Turley's season-ending back injury, Williams has been the starter at right tackle from Game 1 for St. Louis. This far along in his career, it's obviously a pleasant development. In his two previous seasons with the Rams, Williams had only three starts - all in 2002 at left tackle when Orlando Pace was sidelined with a calf injury.

                                "It has been fun to be out there," Williams said. "It's nice to be more sore on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. It has been rewarding, but at the same time, I'm a team guy and if you can't win the games, it's all for naught anyway. We're 2-0 in the division and going into a big game. This is a week that means a lot."

                                Williams spent his first four seasons with Seattle, after signing with the club as an undrafted rookie out of Louisiana Tech in 1996. The Seahawks liked his size (6-7, 300 pounds), and thought he had some potential. But when he became eligible for free agency following the '99 season, retaining him wasn't a high priority for the Seahawks.

                                "It was a great group of guys," Williams said. "Good character. It seemed like we were always around .500. And then the first year when Holmgren got there, we won the division and made the playoffs. Which was a huge deal for Seattle - it was the first time they'd done that in forever. So it was a good time."

                                Williams signed a two-year, $1.9 million contract with New England following the 1999 season. He spent two seasons with the Patriots, earning a Super Bowl ring for their victory over the Rams, then was traded to St. Louis in August 2002.

                                Williams missed the Rams' 2002 game in Seattle because of an ankle and leg injury. He played only on special teams there last season in a 24-23 Rams loss. So Sunday's game marks Williams' first game in Seattle as a starter since that '99 season.

                                "It was a good four years there," Williams said. "A couple of 'O-linemen' are still there. A couple guys on defense are still there. I still know a lot of the upstairs guys. So it does mean a lot."

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