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    I have been able to see the last three Rams games, I am a defense person at heart. I am concerned about what I am seeing defensively. Arch made a great play the other night, tackle, strip ball, and TD, incredable play. BUt we are letting them score on us at will!? We scored first against Tampa, they rolled right down the feild and scored at will. I was amazed that a third string QB was given the time to do what he wasnted. I don't know what his totals were but he made the Rams D look real bad. I am very concerned that the defense is not that good. :helmet:

  • #2
    Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

    Well, that 3rd string QB was a former Pro Bowl QB. But still that is no excuse. Tampa's offense had been struggling this year and they looked pretty good Monday night. I think the thing that was getting me upset the most was how much space their receivers were getting. In my opinion this has to get fixed or a really good offensive team is going to kill us.

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    • #3
      Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

      Originally posted by Marshall1
      I was amazed that a third string QB was given the time to do what he wasnted. I don't know what his totals were but he made the Rams D look real bad. I am very concerned that the defense is not that good. :helmet:
      First off, I am not saying our D is top flight. Also, I am not outting the whole blame on the officials. But I just have to shine a light on something the NFL is trying to keep in the dark.

      How many times did you see obvious holding right at the point where the RB turned the corner? Or how many times did you see holding just as Griese was releasing the ball or breaking away from pressure?

      I saw plenty. I also saw the officials reverse 1 first down and one 9 yard play where less obvious holding (maybe even none) was "committed" by the RAMS. It is a LOT easier to move your offense when you can eliminate some of the rules.

      If only our DBs could learn to obstruct the other team's receivers "without" contact after 5 yards; we could defend the pass better. ;)

      gap

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      • #4
        Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

        There is only so much money to go around. When the offense takes up 60 percent of the salary cap, you get what you get on the other side of the ball.

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        • #5
          Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

          Originally posted by txramsfan
          There is only so much money to go around. When the offense takes up 60 percent of the salary cap, you get what you get on the other side of the ball.
          Ya but Chamionships are won with defense, keep that in mind. :helmet:

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          • #6
            Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

            Originally posted by Marshall1
            Ya but Chamionships are won with defense, keep that in mind. :helmet:
            Well, if that's the case the Rams are doing it backwards. However, that's why we love this team right?

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            • #7
              Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

              Originally posted by Marshall1
              Ya but Chamionships are won with defense, keep that in mind. :helmet:
              I used to think that too but we've had a good D since Danny retired but have been struggling on O (re: see our current state). Basic football tells you that a D and a good running game is a winning formula. I think balance is a winning formula.

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              • #8
                Re: Rams Defense, too lose?

                Originally posted by Marshall1
                Ya but Chamionships are won with defense, keep that in mind. :helmet:
                Currently, 3 of the top 4 defenses in the league have losing records.
                1. Denver 5-1
                2. Washington 2-4
                3. Miami 0-6
                4. Tampa 1-5
                (combined win% of .333)

                However, 4 of the worst 6 defenses have winning records.
                27. St. Louis 4-2
                28. Arizona 1-4
                29. Detroit 3-2
                30. Minnesota 4-1
                31. Indianapolis 4-1
                32. New Orleans 2-4
                (combined win% of .563)

                Strange times we're living in here folks.
                The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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