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  • HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

    There is a lot of talk today about the preliminary list of Hall of Fame finalists. Among those that are being described as shoe-ins is Michael Irvin.

    That prompted me to look up some stats. Consider this:

    WR No. 1: 819 receptions/13,863 yards/65 TDs
    WR No. 2: 750 rececptions/11,904 yards/65 TDs
    WR No. 3: 727 receptions/10,998 yards/69 TDs

    Who are these three WRs?

    Number 1 is Henry Ellard.

    Number 2 is Michael Irvin.

    Number 3 is Isaac Bruce.

    This tells me two things. One, if Irvin is in, you could make a strong argument for Ellard, who has better career stats (and don't even get me started on Art Monk).

    The second is, if Bruce continues playing like he is now for another year or two, he's clearly a first ballot Hall of Famer.

  • #2
    Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

    Nice one AV. I agree, Ellard should be in.
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    • #3
      Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

      Bruce will be, Ellard should be.

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      • #4
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        Yeah, but stats don't tell the whole story. Irvin played in a bunch of Superbowls, and I can't really disagree that somehow that adds to your legacy. I never liked Michael Irvin, but he was a main factor in why his team made it to the SB.......still, Ellard was the man.

        Man I was happy when Ellard and Flipper were flying around out there (like in '89). That was a good year.

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        • #5
          Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

          Well, by that criteria, Bruce has 2 Super Bowls on his resume and one game winning TD. I think he's getting to be pretty close to a lock.

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          • #6
            Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

            Originally posted by sbramfan
            Yeah, but stats don't tell the whole story. Irvin played in a bunch of Superbowls, and I can't really disagree that somehow that adds to your legacy. I never liked Michael Irvin, but he was a main factor in why his team made it to the SB.......still, Ellard was the man.

            Man I was happy when Ellard and Flipper were flying around out there (like in '89). That was a good year.
            Also, he is very high profile now and always on friggin tv

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            • #7
              Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

              Ellard should be in, and Bruce already is a lock, regardless of the superbowl appearances.

              Anyone that has performed with the consistency that Bruce has shown in his career, especially with the turnstile at the QB position, should be considered a lock.
              Last edited by Yodude; -10-22-2004, 04:33 PM.
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              • #8
                Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                Bruce is a lock, as I'm sure Holt will be, barring injury....

                But I don't know about Ellard. He played for some pretty bad Rams teams for most of his career.

                For all intents and purposes, it's a popularity contest. Marino, Irvin, Young.....these guys will get in eventually, just not sure about our little man from Fresno State.

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                • #9
                  Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                  But I don't know about Ellard. He played for some pretty bad Rams teams for most of his career.
                  All the more reason he should be in, in my opinion. Theoretically, it should be harder to put up impressive stats playing for a bad team.

                  Unfortunately, you're right about the popularity contest aspect of the HOF.
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                  • #10
                    Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                    Doesnt character count as well? To the best of my knowledge, neither bruce nor ellard has been busted with cocaine and hookers like irvin. Bruce is a lock, ellard would be in if he had played on higher profile winning teams and may yet make it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                      Doesnt character count as well? To the best of my knowledge, neither bruce nor ellard has been busted with cocaine and hookers like irvin. Bruce is a lock, ellard would be in if he had played on higher profile winning teams and may yet make it.
                      Excellent point GC!

                      That's exactly why a bum like Pete Rose doesn't belong in the HOF and never will.
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                      • #12
                        Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                        H.Ellard has always been a favorite of mine. Always tough and could take a hit over the middle! Unlike everyones Fav Jerry Rice at that time, Ellard was nails!Oh and the Pete Rose thing.Well I'm a Reds fan!(say no more) :tongue:

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                        • #13
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                          Unfortunately the rams don't employ a pr department for each of its coaches and players. Remember back in the day when all you had to do is dawn a burgundy and gold jersey (9rs) and you were then the "best ever" at your position? Debartolo employed such a pr department and it vaulted players into the stratosphere of over rated. Ted Popson for example was once called the "Best Ever" at his position after only a few weeks wearing the cheesy uniform. Bill Walsh today is thought of by many to have invented the forward pass and he was some kind of football genius for inventing what is now referred to as the west coast offense. He had his own PR department to anoint himself the "best ever" along with other nauseating accolades. Truth be known all Walsh did was throw a lot of short passes because his QB Greg Cook had a bad arm. Walsh acknowledges this in his book. Bud Grant who also dumped the ball off short had this to say of the almighty genius. Walsh new the value of having pr department, we were doing that long before Walsh ever got into the business. We were dumping off passes to foreman in the flat. So does it bother me that Walsh is considered the inventor of the WCO, No. If it represented dollars then it would bother me but it represents ego. I could live with more money but ego I don't need any more of". So unless we get a PR department were going to see an onslaught of over rated over hyped whiners enter the HOF on the backs of their wussy west coast offense and their pr department. Sure that pr department has dried up and blown away with the other rubbish that use to run the whiners but the damage done by the NFL, the whiners PR department and the media will last in most fans heads long enough that players like holt and Bruce may be forgotten. Yep if a QB like Montana can have a 91.0 lifetime rating on the backs of 3 yard slants and Jerry rice can be considered the best ever at catching those 3 yard dump offs then pro football has taken a turn for the worse.

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                          • #14
                            Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                            Oh and the Pete Rose thing.Well I'm a Reds fan!(say no more)
                            He played for the Phillies too, blame it on that! :king:


                            And yes...Ellard was nails! :smile:
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                            • #15
                              Re: HOF WRs - Will Rams Get Their's?

                              Originally posted by AvengerRam
                              Consider this:

                              WR No. 1: 819 receptions/13,863 yards/65 TDs
                              WR No. 2: 750 rececptions/11,904 yards/65 TDs
                              WR No. 3: 727 receptions/10,998 yards/69 TDs

                              Who are these three WRs?

                              Number 1 is Henry Ellard.

                              Number 2 is Michael Irvin.

                              Number 3 is Isaac Bruce.

                              Also consider...

                              Michael Irvin, a five-time Pro Bowler, had 16 post-season appearances (12-4), including three Super Bowls (all of which were wins). The overall record of teams Irvin played on was 97-87 (.527). Irvin was among the league's top ten 19 times in his career.

                              Isaac Bruce, a four-time Pro Bowler, has eight post-season appearances (5-3), including two Super Bowls (one of which was a win). The overall record of teams Bruce played on is 86-80 (.518). Bruce was among the league's top ten 13 times in his career thus far.

                              Henry Ellard, a three-time Pro Bowler, had 10 post-season appearances (4-6), and no Super Bowl appearances. The overall record of teams Ellard played on was 127-143 (.470). Ellard was among the league's top ten 10 times in his career.

                              Not trying to make a statement on whether I think so-and-so belongs, but just trying to point out that it's based on more than just career receptions, yards, and TDs.

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                              • CarolinaRam
                                Bruce a Future Hall of Famer?
                                by CarolinaRam
                                Since we're talking about Isaac, I thought I should pose the question.

                                What is the criteria for Hall of Fame as a WR? In the last 20 years, there have only been eight receivers inducted (I counted).

                                Biletnikoff
                                Joiner
                                Largent
                                Lofton
                                Don Maynard
                                Tommy McDonald
                                Swann
                                Stallworth

                                Right now, there are three receivers in the semifinals for HoF - Art Monk, Andre Reed and Michael Irvin.

                                In the years coming, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown and Cris Carter are all shoe-ins. Personally, I think they should have expedited Rice's induction. He should have made his retirement speech and HOF speech at the same time.

                                Bruce is currently 10th in yards, and is sure to move up the ladder. Only 600 yards separates him from Irving Fryar, eighth on the list. After that, it's only a hop, skip and a jump to pass Steve Largent and then Andre Reed at sixth. I say if you pass Largent, you're in.

                                To make his HOF induction a sure thing, Isaac will have to have a few good years to finish out on. It wouldn't hurt to have a season like Jerry Rice did a few years back.
                                -12-18-2005, 06:25 AM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Irvin's HOF Induction Should Make Bruce Automatic
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Michael Irvin is a Hall of Famer. Can there be any question now that Isaac Bruce should be one too when he becomes eligible?

                                Let's look at the numbers:

                                Career Totals (Bruce, of course, still active):

                                Irvin: 750 receptions/11,904 yards/65 TDs
                                Bruce: 887 receptions/13,376 yards/80 TDs

                                Career Single-Season Bests:

                                Irvin: 111 receptions (1995)/1,603 yards (1995)/10 TDs (1995)
                                Bruce: 119 receptions (1995)/1,781 yards (1995)/13 TDs (1995)

                                Number of 1,000 yard seasons:

                                Irvin: 7
                                Bruce: 8

                                Playoffs (per game avgs.):

                                Irvin: 5.4 receptions/82.1 yards/.50 TDs (16 games total)
                                Bruce: 4.9 receptions/84.3 yards/.44 TDs (9 games total)

                                Add to those stats the fact that Irvin had several run-ins with the law while Bruce is one of the best character guys around, how could anyone argue that Bruce is not a sure-fire HOFer?
                                -02-03-2007, 04:51 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Bruce Closing In On Irvin
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Isaac Bruce needs 27 yards to pass Michael Irvin on the career receiving yards list. Bruce already has more receptions and TDs than Irvin.

                                Makes you wonder... why is is that we so often hear people saying that Irvin should be in the Hall of Fame while few say this about Bruce? After this Sunday, the only indiviual categories that Bruce will likely trail Irvin in will be stupid TV quotes and felony charges.

                                Let me hear it Ram fans...

                                Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!!!!!!!!!!
                                -09-23-2005, 10:13 AM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Ike Moves Up The Ladder
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Lost in all the hoopla against Detroit was the fact that Ike moved into the all-time top 10 in receptions, passing Larry Centers and Keenan McCardell for 9th place. Next up on the hit list, Irving Fryar. Is the guy amazing or what?

                                The Hall beckons.
                                -10-07-2006, 03:07 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Bruce Passes Ellard
                                by RamWraith
                                Sunday, November 18, 2007

                                By Brett Grassmuck
                                Staff Writer

                                SAN FRANCISCO – The Rams opened the game against the ***** with the ball and marched down the field into ***** territory. The Rams faced a second and nine from the San Francisco 18 when quarterback Marc Bulger hit wide receiver Isaac Bruce on a deep out at the San Francisco three for what would be one of the games most significant plays.

                                Not only did that completion set up the game’s only touchdown, it allowed Bruce to pass his position coach, Henry Ellard, for sixth place on the NFL’s all time receiving yards list.

                                “The other thing that was significant for our team was Isaac Bruce passed Henry Ellard for sixth all time in receiving yards in the NFL which is another significant day for the franchise,” Rams coach Scott Linehan said. “We are real proud.”

                                Bruce finished the day with five catches for 54 yards, bringing his career receiving yards total to 13,817, but he only needed 15 yards to pass Ellard (13,777) heading into the contest.

                                “It’s big,” Bruce said. “That’s my coach. He taught me a lot. He’ll be getting that football.”

                                Bruce is playing in his 14th NFL season and is still a big part of the Rams offense every time he steps on the field. Bruce may not have the blistering speed he did when he entered the league, he can still run routes as well as any receiver in the game, which is something Ellard helped him refine.

                                “He showed me how to do it instead of just telling me,” Bruce said. “That’s the biggest attribute that he brought as far as his coaching regime. For as long as he’s been my coach, he’s taught me how to do it, showed me how to do it.”

                                Bruce attributes having a former player, and former Los Angeles Ram, as his position coach to a lot of the success he’s had on the field.

                                “It helps tremendously,” Bruce said. “Anytime you have a guy that is doing what I’m doing at a very high level, it makes it a lot easier.”

                                With 54 yards from scrimmage against the *****, Bruce (13,967) also surpassed former Minnesota Vikings great Cris Carter (13,940) for 20th place on the NFL’s all-time scrimmage yards list.

                                “He’s special,” Ellard said. “The longevity and the way he takes care of his body. His work habits. He takes a lot of pride in what he does. You couldn’t ask for a better professional when it comes to a football player. He does it all.”

                                Bruce surpassed 1,000 yards for the ninth time during the 2006 season, and through 10 games in 2007, Bruce has caught 32 passes for 441 yards and one touchdown. He is sixth on the NFL’s all-time receiving yards list, seventh on the NFL’s all time receptions list, 17th on the NFL’s all time touchdown reception list and 20th on the NFL’s all time scrimmage yards list.

                                Bruce is one of only nine receivers to have accumulated 13,000 receiving yards...
                                -11-19-2007, 05:52 PM
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