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  • Dump Marshall?

    As far as I can tell, Marshall has not been much of an impact player this year. I have not been able to see many games, but I don't hear "Marshall, Marshall, Marshall" very often it seems.

    If he is one of the "offensive salary-cap eatin pigs" who is no longer pulling his weight, should the team dump him, trade him, or re-negotiate his contract? Jackson certainly has earned being designated the future RB, and we need help on the D, which will cost cap bucks.

    So what do you think? Sentimentality aside, is Marshall actually pulling his contract weight?

  • #2
    Re: Dump Marshall?

    I would expect to see the Rams try to restructure his contract after this season.

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    • #3
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      I agree with that. He really can't be traded, as nobody is going to give up much for a 30+ RB with "bad knees" and a big contract. Cutting him would not serve any purpose (and would be a mistake) as the Rams would still have to pay him. Restructuring is the best option.

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      • #4
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        If I was the coach, I would never get rid of Faulk. As it stands right now, he looks to be in great shape so I would be playing him as much as possible to try and control the gameclock and scoreboard.

        Now, if we're talking about the Rams and how Martz uses him, I would say trade him as soon as possible while he still has some value. If the Rams are going to use a split backfield and not feature any kind of real running game, KEVIN Faulk would be a lot better for the Rams overall. Sure, there would be a dropoff in overall production but I'm pretty sure Kevin's been in the league long enough to know how to pick up all the blitzes that Marshall's been doing lately as well as being a very good receiver out of the backfield.

        I don't know if Kevin is available but he's just an example of the multitude of rb's that are out there that are servicable and cost a LOT less than Marshall. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather Martz be using Marshall, a la Priest Holmes, Curtis Martin or Tiki Barber and make him earn the salary he's being paid. I'm sure Marshall would want that too.

        So, realistically, unless Marshall restructures(again?), I think he should go somewhere that will allow him to actually get some carries, give the Rams a little something in return and start under-utilizing our first round pick of 2004. I'm not knocking Martz's style of offense here, I'm just knocking the "wisdom" of having one hall of fame running back being paid a ton of money in addition to a first round pick that the Rams had to trade up to get, on a team that doesn't feature the running back and needs help and depth all across the board. Big money being spent on the rb position is a waste for the Rams.

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        • #5
          Re: Dump Marshall?

          Faulk's future is really in Jackson's hands. Does Jackson make people want to forget Marshall? Time hasn't borne this out yet. He looks to be a stud ... but ...

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          • #6
            Re: Dump Marshall?

            I really think this will be Marshall's last year. He has a good head on his shoulders and will want to go out on top, and not stick around like Smith has and do damage to a lustrous career. This is Marshall's last hurrah, so enjoy it.

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            • #7
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              I just don't see Marshall Faulk in the same situation as Emmitt Smith yet. When given the chance, Marshall is indeed pulling his weight. He is a team leader who can do it all. In a "non-productive" game against Miami he had 12 carries for 61 yards with an average per carry over 5 and a long run of 18 yards to go with 8 catches for 74 yards. Still way too valuable to dump.

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              • #8
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                Don't look now but it looks as if Emmit is putting together a good season.

                Marshall still has a lot of use on this team...that is, if we decide to use him. However, I do think that he needs to restructure or be gone because we could definitely find somebody cheaper to replace him.

                We might lose a bit of production, but we'd gain production in other areas (ehem! defense) if we were allowed to spend the cap money from his contract. I'd like to see Marshall retire as a Ram, but if we want to be succesful, we can't keep shelling out that kind of money.

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                • #9
                  Re: Dump Marshall?

                  he may still be somewhat productive, but is he multi-million dollar productive? That I don't know. I don't see it yet this year though.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dump Marshall?

                    Originally posted by txramsfan
                    he may still be somewhat productive, but is he multi-million dollar productive? That I don't know. I don't see it yet this year though.
                    The talent, skill and drive are still there. Put the load on Marshall's back and he will earn the bank he's being paid.

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                    • #11
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                      mike, from what you have seen this year, you are REALLY REALLY REALLY sure about that?

                      I'm not.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by moklerman
                        I don't know if Kevin is available
                        He was resigned by the Patriots this season to a six-year deal.


                        Originally posted by moklerman
                        Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather Martz be using Marshall, a la Priest Holmes, Curtis Martin or Tiki Barber and make him earn the salary he's being paid. I'm sure Marshall would want that too.
                        The question is, can Marshall be used like that? I'm not so sure, and I'm not saying that because of Marshall himself but also because of our O-line and offensive scheme. The closest comparison is Priest Holmes, but Holmes has far less wear and tear on his body at 31 than Marshall does at that age. So it's hard to say.


                        Originally posted by ZigZagRam
                        Don't look now but it looks as if Emmit is putting together a good season.
                        How do you figure? Besides games against Seattle (in a slump), us (weak run defense), and the Saints (weak run defense), he hasn't looked that great, IMO.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by r8rh8rmike
                          The talent, skill and drive are still there. Put the load on Marshall's back and he will earn the bank he's being paid.
                          All three of those things may still be there, but I think the legs are leaving him. His 4.2 ypc is respectable, no question. But that's more than a yard less than his 99-01 seasons. And it's not like he's hurt, he's healthy (according to all words out of Rams camp). So when he played hurt last year and managed a 3.9 ypc, we could say wait until he's healthy. Well, he's healthy and putting up great numbers, but in the words of Tx...
                          Originally posted by Tx
                          is he multi-million dollar productive?
                          I don't think so. And especially with a much less expensive option on the sidelines averaging 5.7 ypc.

                          I love Marshall, but he's too expensive at this point in his career. Option 1: restructure (this would be my preference). Option 2: Trade to San Diego (where he has stated he wants to be at or after his retirement) for what will probably have to be a below market price.
                          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dump Marshall?

                            Tx, I think it's still there, but it is indeed hard to know for sure without seeing Marshall get to carry a consistent, reasonable load. The key for me is the fire, desire and heart I still see in him.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Dump Marshall?

                              How do you figure? Besides games against Seattle (in a slump), us (weak run defense), and the Saints (weak run defense), he hasn't looked that great, IMO.
                              To be fair, Emmitt has had a decent season, especially to be 35. NE and Atl chopped him down, but otherwise he has been running well. He's on pace for 1200 yards and 11 TDs, and currently he's 5th in the NFC in rushing yards. His receiving numbers aren't great, but they never have been.
                              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                              • general counsel
                                More on marshall faulk
                                by general counsel
                                Our office is closed today and i am the only one sitting here, reading through volumes of due diligence materials. Amazing how much work you can get done when the phones arent ringing and no one else is around.

                                Anyway, just read the article on The big boys hip and this thought jumped into my head. We have many many years to watch the big boy run for the rams, but who knows how much time we have left with marshall. I want to see marshall play as much as possible and i really want to see him get into the end zone.

                                when michael jordan was playing for the bulls, i remember the immortal words of the bulls announcer, johnny red kerr, who screamed time and again after seeing an amazing move by jordan "Set your vcr's everyone, once he is gone your not going to see this again"

                                That is the way i feel about marshall. Lets see as much as we can. Who knows when or if we will ever see another ram who is that special in the backfield.

                                Lost in the philly game last week was a truly incredible faulk move where he literally stopped at the line of scrimmage bottled up, waited two seconds and then bolted through a small hole for several yards. What other back can stop and start on a dime like that. Truly incredible. The non use of faulk this season is even more of a mystery than the passive defensive schemes employed by marmie until we were out of it and he began blitzing.

                                Plus, nothing is better for me than listening to my four year old daughter scream Marshall, Marshall Marshall. Its pretty cool when she yells BRUUUUUCE as well.

                                ramming speed to all

                                long live marshall, i really hope he is back next year, there is still gas in the tank

                                general counsel
                                -12-23-2005, 06:59 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                What did Marshall know??
                                by RamWraith
                                Last night I was lying in bed thinking about the Rams organization and what it was going to take to get this ship turned around. The thing that keep coming to be head was Marshall. I am not sure why. We hear so many things that he was the key to the '99 season and beyond. Players looked to him for leadership, role model, a teacher, everyone seen him as the Pro's pro. Why??

                                Marshall came to the Rams from a failure organization that didn't have any more success then the Rams through the 90's. Who would have taught Marshall any keys to success. Many inside the Colts organizations claimed they had to dump Faulk for his poor work ethic, his lack of leadership and his me only attitude. What changed and why did people on the team look to Marshall for guidence for all the baggage he was bringing with him??

                                This is a very confusing issue for me. As much as I agree with Marshall being the man...there is still issues that make me question him...why? There are still a lot of stories out there where fans have met Marshall on a personal level and that experience has left a sour taste in the fans mouth. I am not sure I believe Marshall was the key to success through our run. And I do at times wonder if he is the type that should be put into the oval office to make decisions that need to be TEAM decisions. In the words of Denny Green -- I am not sure Marshall is who we thought he was...
                                -01-20-2008, 08:28 AM
                              • THOLTFAN81
                                Brandon Marshall could be had for a second rounder?
                                by THOLTFAN81
                                Per Peter King in his MMQB Contd regarding Marshalls value:



                                .....If this is true, we obviously hold the top pick in the second round. The Rams are insane not to pursue this if possible. Marshall is only 26 years old, and has had over 100 catches in all but one season. He is the type of WR that just makes your QB better. Sure he is a diva and at times a complainer, but most WRs are. I would be IN LOVE with the idea of us acquiring Marshall for a second round pick.

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                                -02-22-2010, 10:34 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Is Marshall's Likely Return The Best Thing For The Rams?
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Don't get me wrong. I'm a BIG Marshall Faulk fan. From 1999 to 2001, he was, in my opinion, the best player in the league, hands down. His play during those years ranks up there with any running back in the history of the game. Without Marshall Faulk, the GSOT never would have existed.

                                But now... its 2006. Marshall Faulk is not the player he was in the glory years. He's a 30something back who has lost a step, who can't handle the full load anymore, and who has knees that have more wear and tear than most at his age.

                                While some Rams fans have not fully accepted it, Steven Jackson is now "the man." He's the every-down, feature back of the Rams for 2006 and beyond.

                                So, what is Marshall's role? Is he a mentor? I don't know that he is. While I think he is a willing teacher, and sets a good example, Jackson is his own man. He's a different type of back, who needs to focus on honing his skills, rather than trying to be Marshall. Truth is, he'll never be Marshall - though he may be a top tier back in his own way.

                                Essentially, Marshall is now a "change-of-pace" back. But... is he really suited for this role? Perhaps, but I wonder if he really is happy in that type of role.

                                The plain truth is, the Rams probably could find a player in the 4th round of the draft who would be more effective than Marshall Faulk right now as a "change-of-pace" back. There are players coming out who, though probably not every down backs, could come in with 4.4 speed and be used as a situational player who can break big runs on occasion. Someone who will be around, not just for one "farewell" season, but for several seasons.

                                Marshall has certainly earned the right to decide when he wants to retire, and I would not want to see the Rams make that decision for him.

                                Nonetheless, I wonder if he really makes the team better in 2006, or if he's just another guy hanging around for one season too many.
                                -02-11-2006, 02:16 PM
                              • psycho9985
                                Life after Marshall.
                                by psycho9985
                                I think we're gonna need another Primetime running back real soon,either the Draft or free agency.This is probably marshall's last year and I believe in having Two primetime backs in the line up.I liked what Pete Carroll did with Bush and White.After enjoying the GSOT so much I'm addicted to it.


                                I'd like to see it return with more power and less finnese,we have the train and now we need a monster TE.

                                Will a rb gets passed over for the D in 2007?
                                -03-01-2006, 07:43 AM
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