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  • Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

    BY BERNIE MIKLASZ, Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:00 am

    When word got out that the Rams had been contacted by the group that's trying to recruit an NFL team for Los Angeles, it caused a wave of panic in St. Louis.

    This apparently was headline news. Judging by the way the story was played up by St. Louis television stations, you would have thought a fleet of moving vans was out at Rams Park, loading up Sam Bradford and the team's other worldly possessions for an immediate transfer to LA.

    But really, was anyone really shocked? Los Angeles obviously wants an NFL franchise to anchor a massive stadium project there. The Rams are one of several NFL teams drawing attention from LA for obvious reasons.

    This isn't exactly a covert CIA operation. Teams with stadium issues in their home markets are being targeted. The Rams qualify; they'll probably be free to vacate their Edward Jones Dome lease after the 2014 season.

    So naturally the Rams and owner Stan Kroenke are going to get a call from LA.

    It would be more surprising if they didn't get a call from LA.

    But just because someone expresses interest in your football team, it doesn't mean the team is moving. There's a long way to go in this game. As it is, the Rams are committed to playing four more seasons of football at The Ed. A lot can be done between now and then.

    And if billionaire Philip Anschutz — the billionaire behind the LA project — wants a team, the Rams may be the wrong fit. He's apparently looking to purchase a team as part of moving it to LA.

    Why would Kroenke want to sell the Rams to Anschutz? Kroenke helped bring the Rams to St. Louis in 1995 by stepping forward to become Georgia Frontiere's ownership partner and buying 40 percent of the team.

    Kroenke patiently hung on to that 40 percent share for 15 years, until he finally had the chance to buy full control of the Rams. But before becoming the owner, Kroenke had to work out a complicated arrangement with the NFL to get around the league's rules prohibiting cross ownership.

    Kroenke has owned the Rams for less than a year. Buying his way into the NFL inner circle of owners was obviously an important quest for Kroenke. So after going through 15 years of waiting to make it happen, why would Kroenke want to give up his seat in the owners' circle?

    This makes no sense. And Kroenke is a buyer and a collector, not a seller. Just look at all of the sports properties he's purchased or developed: the NFL Rams, the NBA Denver Nuggets, the NHL Colorado Avalanche, the Pepsi Center in Denver, the MLS Colorado Rapids, a soccer stadium in Colorado, a pro lacrosse team in Colorado, and the Arsenal soccer club in the English Premier League.

    Sure, Kroenke could try to move the team without selling it. But in my conversations with Kroenke, he has consistently and repeatedly stated his desire to keep the Rams in St. Louis. He points to his Missouri roots, his Missouri family ties, his Missouri business interests, his key role in bringing the Rams to St. Louis.

    But one thing Kroenke won't do is guarantee anything. And why would we expect him to? You'd have to be childishly naïve to believe it makes sense for Kroenke to give up leverage now.

    Kroenke didn't become worth nearly $3 billion by being dumb. He's a businessman. He's pragmatic. Kroenke will enter negotiations over the Edward Jones Dome lease, and a "guarantee" on his end would undermine his bargaining position.

    And I'll just go ahead and guess that Kroenke isn't opposed to using LA's interest in the Rams to enhance his situation in St. Louis.

    That's how it's done in professional sports.

    Get used to it.

    The Rams-LA speculation won't go away until one of two things happen:

    1. Los Angeles lands an NFL team. Other named candidates are San Diego, Minnesota, Oakland and Jacksonville.

    2. Kroenke and St. Louis make a deal to extend the lease at the Edward Jones Dome, securing the franchise for St. Louis beyond 2014.

    That won't permanently solve the problem, but at least it's a start. Another obvious plus for St. Louis would be a new collective bargaining agreement between NFL owners and players. It would help for the Rams to have a more equitable revenue position in their status as an NFL mid-market franchise.

    Let's assume Kroenke will want a new stadium at some point. Given the $280 million in public money used to build the Dome, which opened in 1995, it's folly to ask taxpayers to fund another football stadium.

    Given the political and economic climate, it's a non-starter. A publicly financed stadium would be shouted down by politicians, angry citizens, watchdogs and even a sports columnist. If we're going to rebuild or build anything let's start in Joplin, OK?

    But if Kroenke and St. Louis can agree on an intermediate lease extension at the Dome, it will buy some time until all parties determine the best way to proceed on a long-term plan.

    If Kroenke wants a new stadium, he'll have to take on much of the project by himself. That's how it's being done in other NFL cities. Owners are building their own stadiums, using financial assistance from the NFL and taking advantage of local tax-break incentives.

    Given Kroenke's success and creativity in making deals and developing real estate, he seems well suited to get something done on the stadium front.

    And as long as Kroenke tells me that he wants to keep the Rams in St. Louis, I'll take him at his word — well, at least until I have a firm reason to believe he's lying.

    It isn't a crime to take a phone call from the LA people. I understand Kroenke's desire to have leverage, and that's why he won't shoot down or discourage the LA speculation.

    This is all part of the game.

    I just hope Kroenke doesn't take it too far, or he will squander and destroy the goodwill of his fellow Missourians in the Show Me State.

    After all, Enos Stanley Kroenke was named in honor of Enos Slaughter and Stan Musial.

    He wasn't named in honor of Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale.

    Kroenke may be a tough businessman, but I don't believe he'll betray his home state.

  • #2
    Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

    Christ, another Rams going possibly to L.A. or possibly staying thread. Chalk another one up for a total of i believe 3. I hope I win the office pool. I bet on there being 5.


    • #3
      Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

      Oh don't worry Bernie, I'm not panicking. In fact, I haven't come across any Ram fan who is. I have the ability to read, think, and reason for myself and I don't need you to spoon-feed me obvious statements about the Rams moving or not moving. Frankly, it would be impossible for me to care any less than I do right now. Rams aren't going anywhere. There are only so many ways to say it.


      • #4
        Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

        Who was panicking?

        This doesn't even qualify as a story.

        Go back to covering baseball, Bernie.


        • #5
          Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

          maybe their not going anywhere but here in L.A. Fox Cbs Nbc and Abc have been airing the Rams maybe returning.
          Stay tuned.


          • #6
            Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

            Originally posted by MauiRam View Post
            BY BERNIE MIKLASZ, Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:00 am

            Kroenke didn't become worth nearly $3 billion by being dumb. He's a businessman. He's pragmatic.
            Exactly.....The bottom line here is the bottom line, No?

            Although I don't expect a sale of the RAMS by Kroenke. I wouldn't be surprised if he's entertaining the thought of moving them to L.A..

            GO RAMS!
            sigpic :ram::helmet:


            • #7
              Re: Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..

              Originally posted by netminder View Post
              maybe their not going anywhere but here in L.A. Fox Cbs Nbc and Abc have been airing the Rams maybe returning.
              Stay tuned.
              The Rams are not moving back to L.A. Why can't certain people accept that?

              I know this is a dead period with the lockout and all, but there is no story here. Just a few unimportant facts peppered with an overdose of speculation.


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                Bernie: Give NFL a victory, Kroenke a defeat ..
                by MauiRam
                BY BERNIE MIKLASZ
                Thursday, March 29, 2012

                Rams owner Stan Kroenke failed in his high-stakes attempt to make a winning bid for the Los Angeles Dodgers. A group put together by Magic Johnson won the auction and shocked the sports world with a successful, if crazy, $2 billion offer.

                This may have been a loss for Kroenke, but it was a win for multiple parties.

                This was a win for the NFL.

                I don't think the NFL wanted Kroenke further distracted by adding yet another toy to his collection of sports franchises. The NFL would like to see Kroenke do his best to fix the Rams and come up with a resolution to the stadium-lease issue.

                I don't think the NFL was much interested in getting into another rules skirmish with Kroenke. Had he purchased the Dodgers, Kroenke would have been in violation of the league's cross-ownership policy, because the NFL controls the LA market. The NFL gets to avoid that potential conflict.

                It was also a win for baseball Commissioner Bud Selig. His trusted ally, longtime baseball executive Stan Kasten, is part of the winning group. Kasten will run the Dodgers; MLB got to keep this in the family.

                Kroenke did pass muster financially to qualify as one of three finalists for the Dodgers. But MLB wasn't enthusiastic about handing a crown-jewel franchise to a largely absentee owner who has so many other teams and business interests. The Dodgers occupy a special spot in baseball's heritage and deserve undivided attention.

                Moreover, MLB probably didn't want the Dodgers and Chavez Ravine to be in the middle of Kroenke's potential maneuvering for an NFL franchise in Los Angeles.

                It was a win for Dodgers fans, who are happy to have an LA sports icon in place at Chavez Ravine. Magic Johnson didn't fund the $2 billion purchase, but he recruited the money men, and he'll be on the ground in LA as the constant face of the franchise. Kroenke was no match for Johnson's LA's cachet, connection or vast popularity.

                OK, so what does Kroenke's defeat mean for Rams fans?

                Answer: to be determined.

                Kroenke lost a little leverage in St. Louis when the Dodgers slipped away from him. Rams fans and some uninformed pundits already were in a frenzied state, convinced that Kroenke (A) would get the Dodgers and (B) move the Rams to Los Angeles approximately 18 seconds later.

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              • MauiRam
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                When he is here to tend to their business, which is often, he lives in a spacious penthouse jutting out of one side and on top of the Pepsi Center, the 18,000-seat downtown arena he also owns.

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              • MauiRam
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                Will St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke be the one who helps steer a football team back to Los Angeles?

                I had dinner with Georgia Frontiere, where the Rams' owner chose to tell me about each of her seven husbands — four too many for me to make a newspaper deadline and still explain to the people of Los Angeles how she had just won approval to move her team to St. Louis.

                I hopped into a waiting limo in Oakland, expecting to find Al Davis, but got a pair of Raiderettes instead. So I never did get around to meeting with Davis to discuss the possibility of the Raiders returning to L.A.

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                If Frank McCourt chooses Stan Kroenke as the Dodgers' winning bidder, McCourt does something that Eli Broad, Ed Roski, Mayor Riordan, Peter O'Malley and so many others could not do.

                He not only brings the NFL back to town, but he gives fans here the Rams again.

                There is no other reason for Kroenke to bid on the Dodgers, even though there are NFL rules that prevent an owner from owning a baseball team in one city and a football team in another.

                Imagine a statue of McCourt outside L.A.'s new football stadium, his arms outstretched and palms up in the hopes someone might drop a dollar or two in them.

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