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  • Rams

    The loss today is not the important issue regarding the Rams.

    If Seattle comes in and steals a win from the Rams it’s going to suck however that is not the important issue facing the Rams.

    If we miss the playoffs that will really bite the big one however this is not what concerns me the most.

    What concerns me the most is the direction this team is going. This team seems to go in the direction that they are in the mood for that day. They have shown they can play football, they have shown they are capable of becoming motivated however that motivation is usually absent and it seems that no body in the organization is able to take charge and get the team motivated to play ball at the level they are capable of.

    It's not always the head coach that is the motivator. Some people just cannot rally others together as well as others. It doesn't necessarily have to be the head coach that motivates a team but it sure as hell is his responsibility to see that someone gets it done.

    The Ravens have Ray Lewis but who's our guy? Anyone care to take a shot at naming our motivator? The truth is, our motivators have been cut, traded or just plain shat on by the Rams. London Fletcher may have not been the best linebacker that played the game but he sure as hell brought his attitude with him on Sundays. Billy Jenkins, Roman Phifier, Rickey Prohel, Az Hakim, Dre Bly Todd Kichen, Toby Wright all had the ability to get the team going.

    So out go those guys and in comes Kyle Turley who in my mind was the final straw on the Rams breaking back. He may have been a motivator but his motivation was clearly from his own selfish agenda which was to dismantle the team starting with Warner then take a years hiatis while the smoke cleared.

    So now we are left with the crumbled aftermath and we do not know which direction this team is headed. That is the important issue facing the Rams right now.

    Which way are we going and how far must we fall before considerable changes are made.

    I know I am the minority in this but I think that head coaches should not be given the lead way they are given when it comes down to hiring their staff. To many of them use the good old boy system of repaying people who employed them in another era or just want to help out a buddy. Sure it's noble to repay someone for helping you out along the way but at what expense? When is it ok to say no? If i'm not mistaken didn't Martz also hire a high school coach out of San Diego using the same good old boy system?

    The statement made by Martz regarding calling the defense on the one play when the Rams were torched for a TD last week Vs. Miami didn't make a lick of sense and when something doesn't make sense someone is usually lying. Anyone believe Martz's statement or can you now see the cover-up taking place for Marmie or more specifically Martz's decision to hire him. Think about it, it makes no sense. What did Martz say to Marmie, "Hey you mind if I try once"? c'mon. Seems if they wanted to roll play they would do that in the pre season.

    I think the best coach available at the coaching position should be considered first then work your way down until accord can be reached with another.

    It was clear that Marmie was not the guy that was going to be a difference maker before he was hired and the Rams front office allowed Martz to proceed in that direction anyway.

    The only thing we know about Marmie now that we did not know before is that he can take the number 1 turnover defense and turn it into #32 in only one season.

    Did anyone jump for joy when Marmie from the Cardinals was hired? No and I sure as hell hope the Rams front office put up some kind of resistance to the hiring before caving into Martz's wish to Hire him.

    What we are seeing here is common sense being proven at the expense of the team and the fans. Why? So one person could repay a debt. Make no mistake about it, it was all done for a single person and with high hopes of it not turning out how common sense suggested.

    I think the Rams need to keep Martz as the head coach only because there is no way he would take a demotion to O.C and because I really don't want the Rams to have to face him as an O.C. with another franchise however he must be stripped of the tasks that challenge him.

    Someone else hire the coaching staff, someone else have final say on personel decisions and for Christ Sakes see that the Rams employ a decent motivator someplace in the organization where it will be an asset to the team.

  • #2
    Re: Rams

    Excellent post RamTime and I agree with most of what you are saying. However, Martz is not going to stand by and let someone else do the hiring. His personality simply will not tolerate that. He has to have things his way. It is very evident in his own words. He is a control freak, not that it's a bad thing, but it is showing to be his Achilles Heel as a head coach. A big happy family of friends and buddies is a good thing, but im not so sure it is meant to be in the world of professional football. Martz would be better suited to hire coordinators with strong egos, like his, and surpervise accordingly.

    Plain and simple though - It aint gonna happen - Martz is who he is and he will never change - after 4 1/2 seasons, that much I am sure of.

    Curly ~ Horns


    • #3
      Re: Rams

      Originally posted by RamTime
      I really don't want the Rams to have to face him as an O.C. with another franchise
      True, but think about it. The primary rumored location for Martz if he left the Rams is San Diego. If Martz goes to an AFC team, the Rams would only face him once every four years, give or take a joint Super Bowl appearance. Now if he goes NFC...


      • #4
        Re: Rams

        Ferter i completely agree with what you are saying about Martz not allowing anyone to stir his coals for him I'm just thinking out loud at what this team needs to turn things around at this stage in their existance. Some things just are not reality however until I can come up with something else just go with it. LOL

        I want to keep him another year. I just have this feeling that it will come together for him now. Remember, this time it will be a team that he builds and he won't be as careless with his creation as he was with DV's. I hope that last statement doesn't start someone down the all to familiar path of "Martz helped create this team" discussion. Been there done that and it misses the entire point.


        • #5
          Re: Rams

          The primary rumored location for Martz if he left the Rams is San Diego.
          The way the Chargers are playing now that they actually kept some talent would lead me to beleive that the head coach job is filled over there.

          It does not matter to me though. I say give him to the Niners he has done nothing for this team but slowly destroy it. The rams did not win because of Martz. They just slowly broke down. It took awhile for that much talent to disperse, but it has happened.


          • #6
            Re: Rams

            I think that the best thing that could happen to the rams this year (seeing as a SB win is not on the cards) is that we don’t make the playoffs..


            • #7
              Re: Rams

              Good points RamTime.

              The Rams are missing a motivator, someone who makes them play and believe. I don't see any of the players or coaches playing that role and this team, this season, is lacking passion and belief.

              I actually think there is a lot of talent on this team. More of it is on the offense, but even that side of the team is not performing.

              The change in the defense is the difference between last year and this year. The defense bailed out the Rams in many games last year when the offense could not perform. This year, no energy, no turnovers, no bailouts.

              I wish we still had Lovie, Wistrom, and Sorensen. These are some of the key motivators that I have seen leave in the last year or so.

              Turley....he is a question mark for me. Was he a motivator for the team or just a disturbance?


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              • Guest's Avatar
                The Fire Within
                by Guest
                THE FIRE WITHIN

                Congruence: The relationship between your words and your actions.
                Walk your talk.

                Talent is necessary however motivation is the fire that begins from a smoldering ember. Without fanning the ember into a flame, that ember will continue to smolder. The Rams have shown a smoldering ember that is capable of roaring into a bonfire. This was apparent in the final minutes of the Seattle game, in San Diego two years ago and against San Francisco in the final Monday Night football game of that same season.

                So what fanned those flames into bonfires within each of the players on those days? My guess is embarrassment. Embarrassed due to being apart of a grossly underachieving team.

                What fanned the flames of the New England Patriots when they upset the heavily favored Rams in the Superbowl? My guess is urgency.

                I also theorize that someone on that team (Probably Belichick) saw the urgency and implored that urgency throughout the entire squad.

                It seems that Mike Martz has recently discovered that talent alone is not enough. It took the Rams to drop to the parity level as far as talent before he emphasized the importance of getting his team up for games.

                Only after the loss in Miami did he come out and talk about intensity with intensity. I don’t know if anyone else has realized this but the recent articles from the Post Dispatch along with “Martz on the Mike“have shown a noticeable escalation in Martz talking about being up and ready for games.

                It looks as if he has discovered a new tool in coaching and is now going through the adolescent stages of applying it.

                What I am refering to when I say "adolescent stages" is hitting on Wednesday before the Seahawk game which to Mike Martz is what fanned the ember into a flame.

                I think Martz believed that it was the hitting that motivated the team. I believe it was more then that. I think the team was responding to Martz’s intensity more then the hitting itself and that intensity is what carried over into the game against Seattle.

                My feeling is that Martz may have put to much emphasis on the hitting and never realized that it was his own intensity and urgency that fanned the ember into a roaring fire.

                In sum Mike Martz may have had the illusion that all he had to do to get his team up was hit on Wednesday; not realizing the intensity he himself brought on the prior Week.

                I know there are a lot of fans here on the board that measure everything by wins and losses. This was oh so very apparent during the Warner Bulger debates. At that time, I was not compelled to look at the W/L column to base my feelings on. I saw a very good QB that looked to be getting a bum rap and I saw another QB that had great potential who probably felt as bad for Warner as anyone did.

                -11-23-2004, 06:24 AM
              • RamWraith
                Martz's remedies need to extend to coaching staff
                by RamWraith
                By Bryan Burwell
                Of the Post-Dispatch

                So as we have reached the critical midway point of the 2004 NFL season, it's time for a little review. The Rams' offensive line can't block a fire exit. Their defense gets exploited regularly. And because I am a positive person, let me be the first to note that the Rams' special teams haven't botched any kick coverage in the last 12 hours (I think), nor surrendered a single touchdown pass thrown by an opposing team's backup long snapper in months.

                So now that it's painfully obvious that the 4-4 Rams are a broken and flawed football team, what we need to know now are the answers to two very important questions as they head into the second half of the season:

                1. How do they fix it?

                2. Can they fix it?

                On Monday morning, as he sat in his Rams Park second-floor office, Mike Martz finished reviewing game tapes of Sunday's 40-22 debacle against the New England Patriots and began answering those pressing questions with a very systematic, analytical process. After scrutinizing hours of game tape, Martz met with his coaching staff and he met with his players. Then after carefully listening, observing and analyzing every scrap of forensics from this mess of a half-season, the boss essentially came to this conclusion:

                It can be fixed, and he has the available tools to fix it.

                Oh yeah, and there was just one other valuable little tidbit that we thought we ought to share with you . . .

                Our favorite gray-haired football eccentric is mad as hell and he ain't gonna take it anymore.

                "You guys have been here long enough to know that I've never tried to mislead you or sugarcoat anything," Martz told a room full of reporters at his Monday afternoon news conference. "If I've screwed something up I'll tell you. I'll try to take a bullet (for players) when you can to help them. (But) there comes a time when some of these guys have just got to ... show up and make a play. That's not a cop-out or brushing it off onto (the players). But I'm upset. We've got some guys we're counting on and they've got to step up."

                There is no greater theatre than a Monday afternoon Martz news conference following a Rams loss. But this one was better than others, exceptionally rich with subtle insight and read-between-the-lines intrigue. To the untrained eyes and ears, it sounded a whole lot like Martz was just lashing out at his players, and placing all the weight of the world on their shoulders.

                Yet to veteran Martz-ologists who understand his rhythms, moods and intentions, these were not the blame-shifting ramblings of a desperate man in his final days. This was a strategic angry declaration of a head coach who still believes he can lead this team out of its misery. And is it possible that we also might have been hearing a few subtle...
                -11-09-2004, 02:18 PM
              • Guest's Avatar
                I don’t buy this "no talent" thing
                by Guest
                Heard people say this a lot… I really don’t buy this on the defensive side of the ball (though I agree there is a definite lack of talent on OL)… almost every player (maybe exception being Coady and D Lewis ) has at some point shown a lot of promise.. feels like yesterday we were all praising Polley and had Arch penciled in as a future pro bowler… why then have they all suddenly forgotten how to tackle or make a play ? Doesn’t sound like a talent issue to me…

                My theory is that it is purely a question of motivation…. Martz has lost his ability to motivate this lot… I think a lot has to do with the way he has critisied his players openly (and maybe been a bit too trigger happy in demoting some players) and indeed been praised himself eventhough he has prepared his team poorly… I have a sneaking suspicion that this team is ready to break out of its slumber - but only once Martz leaves or puts his hand up and admits guilt.
                -11-25-2004, 06:20 AM
              • LaRamsFanLongTime
                It must stop here
                by LaRamsFanLongTime
                After a terrible loss like this once again things will fall on Martz. This is the time that he needs to make his big adjustments and show the Rams are still the Rams. My biggest question for him is what happened to spreading the feild. The Rams have a lot of speed still. Bring in Mcdonald for some 5 receiver sets. Hell use Jackson out there. I know I know in order for that to work the o line needs to step up right? Yes and no. If you remember the Rams biggest threat with the greatest show on turf was the quick slants then play makers being play makers. So far this offence looks like any other offence. Bring back the flair the crazy plays this offence has what it takes to
                execute Mad Mike Martz' crazy offensive schemes they just need a chance.

                TIME and TIME again we see terrible challenges and poor clock management.
                This has gone on for way to long. Someone needs to simply put it to Martz in a way he could understand. Here I will try. STOP THE BS CLOCK MANAGEMENT AND BAD CHALLENGES. THE GUY IN THE BOOTH WILL CALL YOU AND SAY WHEN YOU SHOULD CHALLENGE. WHEN THE BALL GOES 14 YARDS ON THE ONSIDE KICK YOU DONT CHALLENGE.

                Torry Holt and Issac Bruce damn I love these guys. But what happened to the runs after the catch. As soon as the defensive player gets anywhere near them they dive like a qb. They used to run and make plays. People say look at the way they protect the ball. Well I see that only when you are gonna get hit right when you catch it. If that is not the case make a play.
                The runs after the catch are needed for the spreading of the feild to work.

                Defence well what can I say? They totally need to step up and do things differently. I think this falls a little on Martz as well. They need to cover the middle alot better. The middle was void of defender's the whole game. Draws will eat us up all year if this continues. It all basically just seeem to fall on over pursuit and blitzes w/o anyone in the box. I hate to say it but the safeties really looked bad today. If they cannot hold down the fort who can.
                -09-19-2004, 03:02 PM
              • Guest's Avatar
                Why such the gloom and doom about a new coach?
                by Guest
                Mike Martz is 11-15 over his last 26 games as a coach. He might be good but that don’t mean we can’t get a good replacement. Lets be positive about this if Martz comes back good if he don’t then who cares lets look forward. You can’t tell me that everyone is just picking on Martz and he has had absolutely nothing to do with his problems with the FO. I must say that the owner and FO deserve some blame in the handling of the matter. But who is to say that Martz is not one of the primary people responsible for the issues. He is a control freak and may have over stepped his bounds in some areas we don’t know.

                Lets not be Nay Sayers about our future coach who ever that maybe.
                -10-30-2005, 09:00 AM