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    Mr.mike martz....


    When he coached you always knew that we would at least be competitive.... Enoug said

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    As much as I disliked Martz I will have to say he never gave up on a game, he was a fighter.

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    • #3
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      I always said that tons of Rams fans wouldnt appreciate Martz until he was gone. Timeouts and special teams notwithstanding, the guy was a winner. That has not been the case since he left. No question Martz had great talent, but he still won an awful lot of games with that talent.
      I would personally have no problem if he was rehired, although i view that as a massive longshot.

      ramming speed to all

      general counsel

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        Couldn't disagree more....

        Mike Martz inherited a good team, and HE started the distruction of it by letting key players go and drafting poorly. Yeah, his offensive play style was "all out all the time", and it worked with the right personnel, but Mike Martz was a horrible HC and leader. His track record proves that.

        Let's look at it from another prospective. Put Martz in charge of the current Rams team with all the injuries. Would he be more successful? No way. But put Spags and McD in charge of the 2000-2004 Rams. Would they have been as successful as Martz? Hell yes. ...and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have blown the SB to the Patriots or the playoff game against the Panthers like Martz did.

        Nuff said. No to Martz.

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        • #5
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          I think there are valid arguments on both sides. Martz was an excellent o-coordinator. That cannot be taken away from him and it is unfair to suggest that any success he had was only because of great talent. It takes a certain kind of person to mold that talent and make them collectively successful, and Martz did that. And speaking to the title of the thread, he DID INDEED have balls, but was sometimes TOO BALLSY for the Rams own good, taking risks when none were warranted and subjecting his QB to hellacious beatings.

          It is easy to wax poetic about how great Martz was in light of the current pathetic state of our offense, but let's not play fast and loose with the truth. He was not a great head coach. And the greatest proof of that lie in his performance against New England in SB XXXVI. Great coaches don't have their team unprepared on the biggest stage nor do they all but ignore a future hall-of-fame running back. How many head jobs has Martz been offered since he left the Rams? How often do you hear Mike martz' name when head coaching vacancies arise?

          'Nuff said.

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            Originally posted by RAMFANRAIDERHATER View Post
            ...and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have blown the SB to the Patriots or the playoff game against the Panthers like Martz did.
            Yep, Mike Martz didn't have balls when it counted most, in the playoff loss to Carolina. Steamrolling a reeling, gased Panther defense to their 15 yard line, trailing by 3 with 39 seconds to go and 1 timeout, Martz stood on the sideline with a smirk on his face and let the clock tick, tick, tick, tick down to 3 seconds, and then kicked the tying FG. He didn't have the guts to take a few shots at the endzone, or even give Faulk, who had been gashing the Panthers defense, a try to make something happen. That decision cost the Rams and was the end of the GSOT. I'm getting steamed just writing about it as I remember screaming at the TV, CALL A TIMEOUT, CALL A TIMEOUT!!!!!!!

            There's a reason not a single NFL team has offered Matrz a head coaching position.

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            • #7
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              Good 'pros & cons' posts above, I like the arguments both ways. :ram:

              Myself, I always rooted for MM although I admit this was difficult at times. But I do agree in that he used the Rams talent to its extreme, i.e., scoring left and right, setting NFL records for most points and truly helping said talent into superstardom. I seriously doubt such achievements would have been the same with a different HC or OC back then.

              In other words, there was a real method to the madness of Mike Martz. In this regard I thus concur w/ B4life.

              'Nuff is in the house -- Nuff said!

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
                  Yep, Mike Martz didn't have balls when it counted most, in the playoff loss to Carolina. Steamrolling a reeling, gased Panther defense to their 15 yard line, trailing by 3 with 39 seconds to go and 1 timeout, Martz stood on the sideline with a smirk on his face and let the clock tick, tick, tick, tick down to 3 seconds, and then kicked the tying FG. He didn't have the guts to take a few shots at the endzone, or even give Faulk, who had been gashing the Panthers defense, a try to make something happen. That decision cost the Rams and was the end of the GSOT. I'm getting steamed just writing about it as I remember screaming at the TV, CALL A TIMEOUT, CALL A TIMEOUT!!!!!!!

                  There's a reason not a single NFL team has offered Matrz a head coaching position.
                  Such glorious days. Back when the Rams played games that actually mattered.
                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                    Here's the bottomline on Martz:

                    1. Yes, he's a great O-Coordinator.
                    2. No, he did not inherit a great team. He helped build a great team. Unless anyone would like to argue the '98 team was great.
                    3. Yes, his ego did get in the way.
                    4. Yes, the caustic relationship with the Incompetent-in-Chief, Jay Zygmunt ruined what should have been many years of success.

                    I don't know that I'm sold in him coming back here, but I am very intrigued to see what he could do with Zygmunt-free team.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                    • #11
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                      Mad Mike is what we need to get this offense going.
                      sigpic :ram::helmet:

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by HUbison View Post
                        Here's the bottomline on Martz:

                        1. Yes, he's a great O-Coordinator.
                        2. No, he did not inherit a great team. He helped build a great team. Unless anyone would like to argue the '98 team was great.
                        3. Yes, his ego did get in the way.
                        4. Yes, the caustic relationship with the Incompetent-in-Chief, Jay Zygmunt ruined what should have been many years of success.

                        I don't know that I'm sold in him coming back here, but I am very intrigued to see what he could do with Zygmunt-free team.
                        I think where Martz really failed the Rams the most, was with his arrogance on draft day. Id give Martz all the credit in the world, for the job he did, once he was handed the keys to the offense.
                        But he was never the catalyst behind the Rams. I give that credit to Dick Vermeil. Mike Martz inherited a good, solid roster from DV and basically ran with it. It didnt take him long before his inexperience and arrogance started showing up. Because of Martz's obsession with the offense, he neglected to strengthen the defense and ST's, wasting valuable draft picks on his pet projects. This guy destroyed the Rams in my opinion. He just couldnt see the big picture as a HC.

                        I hope the Rams set their sights a lot higher than this guy. He is a joke as a franchise builder.?
                        Last edited by GroundDog39; -12-07-2011, 09:31 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: At least this certain someone had balls...

                          Originally posted by HUbison View Post
                          Here's the bottomline on Martz:

                          1. Yes, he's a great O-Coordinator.
                          2. No, he did not inherit a great team. He helped build a great team. Unless anyone would like to argue the '98 team was great.
                          3. Yes, his ego did get in the way.
                          4. Yes, the caustic relationship with the Incompetent-in-Chief, Jay Zygmunt ruined what should have been many years of success.
                          I agree. People fail to recognize that Martz never had a pro scout on his staff to evaluate free agent signings and they purchased scouting reports for the draft (the cheap way to do things and the way the Bengals and Big Red did things - it's known to fail - it's how internet geniuses rank players). People blame Martz for things that were completely out of his control. He never should have been made GM but who's to say a GM would have helped with the structure in place?

                          Martz was a difference maker who made things dynamic. Before he arrived the Rams were tied with the Bengals for the worst record in the NFL for the previous decade (wait, I thought he inherited a great team?). Since he's left the Rams have been one of the worst franchises again. In the short time he was here we went to three NFC Championship games and won 2 of them. Obviously that's the sort of success the Rams should consider a failure and they should destroy in favor of the awesome Linehan. [/eyeroll]

                          People routinely ignore or fail to remember that prior to the '99 season, Vermeil wanted Banks to stay at QB, Martz was forced on him & Vermeil didn't want Faulk because he was threatening to hold out for a new contract (why Indy traded him). Our starting WR in '98 was Eddie Kennison, he started 13 games and ended the season with 17 receptions. That's what was considered acceptable with Vermeil.

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                            Simply put...Mike Martz and Spags aren't too different.

                            Mike Martz inherited a pretty good team and he used his concept of "we just have to keep scoring" to totally ruin the Rams.

                            Steve Spags inherited a pretty awful team and he is using his concept of "we just have to stop them from scoring" to totally ruin the Rams.

                            My point is, we don't need one-sided coaches. If you focus on offense like Martz you end up failing and if you focus on defense like Spags, you end up failing. Point is, we need an experience coach who knows how to mold all 3 phases of football...not just one.

                            In my opinion, Martz and Spags are the same...one is just offensive minded the other is defensive minded.

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                            • #15
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                              Mike Martz...

                              Extremely flawed and extremely missed.

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                                Martz Has To Go.... PERIOD!!!!!
                                by Guest
                                I know there are alot of Martz fans here, but he has to go. it is his responsibility to get his team ready for each game and he clearly didn't get the job done.

                                he had 2 weeks to prepare for this game and the Patriots were descimated in the secondary. this should have been a big win. instead it is a big loss.

                                I've heard all the arguements that this team does not have the talent on the defensive side of the ball or the offensive line. but you can't tell me if Belichek was coaching this team that he would be getting the most out of this team and they would be winning.

                                the Patriots don't have superstars on their team. can you even name an offensive lineman on the Patriots? exactly my point. no real superstars but dominating the NFL.

                                Belichek chould turn this team around with the same personel. no doubt about it. Martz has not made the most of his tenure and that is why it is time for him to go.

                                now, will the Rmas actually fire him? NO!!!!! they will blame it on the defense and fire Marmie and Martz will skate by again.

                                sorry Martz fans and supporters, but you know I am right about this.

                                if another coach could make winners out of the dame personel and the coach you have can't, it's time to fire the coach.
                                -11-07-2004, 08:49 PM
                              • Rams232
                                Martz
                                by Rams232
                                I appreciate the opinions of those who think Martz has been a great h.c. but let me share where I disagree a little. Martz did help construct the Rams offense to some degree but allot of those pieces were there already & some were Vermiel's doing. Martz only had one year of input in 99'. Martz' input was valuble but it's not like he constructed the team.

                                One of the big differences between Vermiel & Martz was that even though Vermiel had his own opinions re: Faulk etc. he was always willing to listen to others' opinions & often defer when their expertise was better than his own something Martz has seemingly been reluctant to do. Remember Wilkins, Edwards, St. Clair, Manu, Sehorn, Crouch & a whole host of others? Martz is not known for changing his mind in deference to others.

                                Martz did indeed inherit a SB team & although that team would have had changes regardless who the h.c. was b/c of the very nature of football these days, Martz' ability to deal w/ those changes ultimately lead in part to his demise & perhaps the Rams'. And I'm not just talking about player personnel. Hannifan's replacement, Lovie's replacement of Marmie. Flat out horrible decisions.

                                He let Proehl, Conwell & the "Hammer" go. He thought Tucker was expendable & that St. Clair would be all-pro. Turley?(Need I say more?)There are conflicting stories re: Fletcher. But I do remember distinctly reading an interview w/ Fletcher after he left where he said the main reason he left was b/c Martz wouldn't even return his calls. He said it wasn't the money, it was about respect. Proehl & others have said similar things. Well, Wilkins, Edwards, Manu, St. Clair, & others turned out to not be very good replacements. Martz didn't have total control of all decisions but he did on many of those & his contract clearly states that he had veto power over all personnel decisions.

                                Are we starting to see some of the differences between an o.c. & h.c.? Martz has great talent for many things, just not allot of the h.c. responsibilities imho.

                                I understand where allot of you are coming from. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those that want Martz to stay as h.c. & think he has done a great job, would be thrilled beyond measure if we got a new h.c. & Martz stayed on as o.c. I think many are just scared to death that we're gonna lose one of the greatest offenses to ever play in the NFL, & they were our Rams! The problem imho, is we lost that 3 years ago b/c Martz was our h.c. & not our o.c.

                                Really guys, he's not the only offensive genius out there, in fact, I think overall Chow has a better mind than Martz b/c he's more level headed about his approach. But I digress. We haven't been the GSOT for some time now & not b/c Martz has lost it, but b/c he's never been the h.c. we all expected him to be, unjustifiably I might add....
                                -10-28-2005, 06:47 PM
                              • GasBag
                                How long before Martz ruins Rams?
                                by GasBag
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                                "By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

                                You might consider this as obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws, but is intended as a legitimate question for those that care the most about the Rams.

                                How long will you allow Martz to run down the Rams before you insist he be fired?
                                -09-07-2001, 08:04 AM
                              • HornsCellPhone
                                What is the overall consensus on Mike Martz?
                                by HornsCellPhone
                                Do you Rams fans still think of him as a good HC or has he lost it?

                                I ask because I've got a funny feeling Martz will be the Saints next HC and I'd like to know what you guys think of him.

                                Was Martz fired because it was just a needed change for both parties?
                                -01-15-2006, 12:33 PM
                              • HUbison
                                Where would we be without Martz?
                                by HUbison
                                I saw an interesting question posted over at the PD board (I was slumming.....and yes I showered before returning here), and thought I would ask a similar question for everyone here.......

                                If Martz were never a coach for the Rams.....
                                1. What would this team look like now?
                                2. What would the '99-'05 era have turned out to be?
                                -01-03-2006, 10:24 AM
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