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    Holt Came To Play Sunday!

    Did anybody notice on Holt's first catch, that after catching the ball he made about 3 guys miss as he was doing everything he could to get get some yac? Whereas, normally he would automatically fall to the ground to avoid being hit. I think Torry took Martz's words to heart last week and decided there was more he could do. Too bad he went down, could have been fun to watch. I'll look forward to seeing him do that next week.

    Did anybody see anyone else step up out of the norm? I'd have to give Coady kudo's as well.

    Let's hope they keep it up!

    Go Rams!!!
    Last edited by viper; -11-15-2004, 08:44 PM.
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    Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

    Originally posted by viper3
    Did anybody notice on Holt's first catch, that after catching the ball he made about 3 guys miss as he was doing everything he could to get get some yac? Whereas, normally he would automatically fall to the ground to avoid being hit. I think Torry took Martz's words to heart last week and decided there was more he could do. Too bad he went down, could have been fun to watch. I'll look forward to seeing him do that next week.
    You must have watched that game on a different TV station than me. Holt was trying to bail and realized he was giving himself up too soon. Then he tried some asssine piroutte with his hand on the turf like a skateboarder's Xgame trick. He punked the RAC. Why? So he could save himself for the next time when it mattered more? Yeah right.

    He took the hit over the middle like any man wearing a pink tutu would ... he dropped it and lay there laughing about it. Did he come to play after that? No. But lay that at the coach for saving him for the next Big Game. But how about that effort at keeping his feet in bounds for the slightly overthrown ball? Not a big game effort there either.

    Frankly, he hasn't come to play since before he was seen yukking it up with his brother and Bly during the Detroit game last year. Where is all his hyped separation and route running skills when MB desperately needs a receiver to come open to avoid a sack? What he has done this year is replaceable. If he keeps "coming to play" like he has thus far, I'm all in favor of trading his pretty little pink smile for a MLB.

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    • #3
      Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

      Wow, 2 completely different points of view!

      I see both. Holt came out to play, as did the rest of the rams, but he hasn't been a go-to guy this year.

      To be technical: His sideline play is not as good as many, as he always tries to get that first foot down and then drag the second. (partly to not have to fall down). Which works great when you see the first one land in bounds, because all he has to do is tap the second. But I often have seen him make a catch where he needed to keep both feet together to stay in bounds, but he reached out the front foot to the white line. Curtis is no Torry Holt, but has shown great awareness with sideline catches. Holt may want to watch some film on the little guy...maybe it's the whole wonderlick thing?

      There is obviously more coverage on Holt this year which is opening up Bruce, but after watching T.O. last night, it shouldn't matter. You throw to you best guy and make him go get it. He needs to step up.

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      • #4
        Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

        Originally posted by adarian_too
        You must have watched that game on a different TV station than me. Holt was trying to bail and realized he was giving himself up too soon. Then he tried some asssine piroutte with his hand on the turf like a skateboarder's Xgame trick. He punked the RAC. Why? So he could save himself for the next time when it mattered more? Yeah right.

        He took the hit over the middle like any man wearing a pink tutu would ... he dropped it and lay there laughing about it. Did he come to play after that? No. But lay that at the coach for saving him for the next Big Game. But how about that effort at keeping his feet in bounds for the slightly overthrown ball? Not a big game effort there either.

        Frankly, he hasn't come to play since before he was seen yukking it up with his brother and Bly during the Detroit game last year. Where is all his hyped separation and route running skills when MB desperately needs a receiver to come open to avoid a sack? What he has done this year is replaceable. If he keeps "coming to play" like he has thus far, I'm all in favor of trading his pretty little pink smile for a MLB.
        Holt, before getting hurt this week, was on pace for an 80 reception, 1,200 yard, 10 TD season.

        Yeah, players like that are a dime a dozen.

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        • #5
          Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

          Now you're ripping Torry Holt? Who next? Isaac Bruce?

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          • #6
            Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

            Originally posted by adarian_too
            You must have watched that game on a different TV station than me. Holt was trying to bail and realized he was giving himself up too soon. Then he tried some asssine piroutte with his hand on the turf like a skateboarder's Xgame trick. He punked the RAC. Why? So he could save himself for the next time when it mattered more? Yeah right.
            It looked to me like Holt was actually trying to "make a football move" after the catch to gain more yardage, rather than just fall to the ground like he normally does. If he was indeed trying to get more yards, as I believe he was, although ineffective, at least he was trying to improve upon past tendencies. Again, I would attribute that to Martz calling out the players.

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            • #7
              Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

              Originally posted by ZigZagRam
              Now you're ripping Torry Holt? Who next? Isaac Bruce?
              Hey. I'm your typical what-have-you-done-lately fan. What can I say. As a fan it's my devil given right to criticize everyone other than myself.


              Originally posted by AvengingHolt'sPlay
              Holt, before getting hurt this week, was on pace for an 80 reception, 1,200 yard, 10 TD season.

              Yeah, players like that are a dime a dozen.
              80 receptions? 1200 yards? So what does that amount to again? 5 receptions for 75 yards per game? Not big game nor a big deal when you pass as often as the Rams do. But yeah, you're right, there aren't many receivers out there who wear pink tutus.

              But that doesn't change the fact that the Rams need an impact MLB and trading Holt for one would work for me. As pass-happy as the Rams are, Curtis or McDonald could throw up 5 for 75 numbers just as easily. This year Holt has been pretty ordinary.


              Originally posted by SB
              There is obviously more coverage on Holt this year which is opening up Bruce, but after watching T.O. last night, it shouldn't matter. You throw to your best guy and make him go get it. He needs to step up.
              And that is part of the point. TO is walking the walk after he talked the talk. Holt isn't. And hasn't for most of this year and the end of last. Big Game? More like big game bust. But go ahead and pamper and coddle him if you like. Who would want to do otherwise after paying him so much?

              Give me Williams from Detroit. Boldin. Fitzgerald. Even TO. Big, bruising, fast receivers are the future daddies of these little punk'd CBs around the league right now.

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              • #8
                Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                Originally posted by A2
                Big Game? More like big game bust. But go ahead and pamper and coddle him if you like. Who would want to do otherwise after paying him so much?
                I think what has me a little concerned is Holt's mindset when he comes back to the field after that big hit. I mean, let's face it, he's not exactly Evil Kneivel when it comes to sacrificing his body to make a big play. He tends to take a dive before he takes a hit, so now that he's taken a big hit, how does he respond? Will his arms get shorter, will his eyes be drifting to approaching DBs instead of watching the ball? Or will he realize that taking shots from the secondary is part of the job? If that shot gets in his head, we may see an even more cautious Holt on Sunday.
                The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                • #9
                  Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                  I've always been in 2 minds about Holt... yes he can run routes and catch plenty of balls.. but too often he has hit the floor in order not to take a hit rather than take a chance at beating someone.. and then there is the issue of droping clutch passes.. in conclusion, good percentage player but Bruce or Moss he is not.

                  Not at all surprised with this weekends mind games

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                  • #10
                    Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                    Anyone who would advocate getting rid of a guy like Torry Holt simply does not know squat about football. Period. End of story.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                      relax AV.. no-one said that... i think he is very valuable to this team.. but he has his shortcomings and we shouldn't be blinded by his stats.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                        What I'd like to know is whether TH will be okay to play this Sunday. We need him. :tough:

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                        • #13
                          Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                          Originally posted by elAcky
                          relax AV.. no-one said that... i think he is very valuable to this team.. but he has his shortcomings and we shouldn't be blinded by his stats.
                          Actually, HollowMan adarian said exactly that... twice:

                          Originally posted by adarian too
                          I'm all in favor of trading his pretty little pink smile for a MLB.

                          the Rams need an impact MLB and trading Holt for one would work for me.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                            didn't catch that one... not a bad idea.. fletcher for Holt - where do i sign !!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Holt Came To Play Sunday!

                              Originally posted by elAcky
                              didn't catch that one... not a bad idea.. fletcher for Holt - where do i sign !!
                              Not in a million years.

                              Ray Lewis... okay. Any other MLB, no way.

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                              • MikeB1603
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                              • RamWraith
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                                Player after player, receiver after receiver crosses into the end zone, setting off a display of celebrations with each player seemingly trying to outdo the other with a celebration more over the top than the one before it.

                                But Holt pays no mind to the creative jigs or not-so-creative spikes. He is focused on the task at hand, getting his weekly massage and taking care of his tools. By tools of course he means the legs that allow him to outrun almost any defensive back in the league and the hands that often times appear to have been manicured with Elmer’s Glue.

                                With so many of today’s NFL players focusing their celebrations on themselves, many times copping desperate pleas for attention with something so crazy or ridiculous that nobody can take them seriously, here lies Holt with no cares in the world aside from getting the tools shined and sharpened for another week of practice.

                                “I know Torry, I think really well after seven years,” coach Mike Martz said. “Torry talks about it with me sometimes. Torry is happy with who he is. He doesn’t need any notoriety. He loves to play. You’ve seen him in practice; he’s like a little kid running around here. He just loves to play. He doesn’t care about the attention, the notoriety, the commercials, or special spots on him or any of those things. Those are fine. That’s good. I think those are good for the National Football League. That’s not who Torry is, he could care less about that stuff.”

                                Me as in Team

                                Make no mistake, Holt loves a good celebration as much as the next guy, but the only use of the word me that Holt would ever use is when it’s in the form of the second and fourth letters of the word team.

                                On occasion you might see Holt work in an end zone dance (he’s been known to do the cabbage patch), but generally any celebrating he does comes only with the company of his teammates. Take the Bob ‘n’ Weave from the Greatest Show on Turf days for example or what is simply known as the “Jump” that he and his teammates do now.

                                Holt could easily use individual celebrations to pump his reputation like so many other receivers in the league have done, but that’s not who he is and that’s not what he is about.

                                “I’m here to be sure that I uphold my end of the bargain to this team of doing what I am supposed to do to continue to help this ball club win games,” Holt said. “I definitely have my individual stats and performance that I want to reach, but at the same time I want to help this ball club win games too.”

                                Therein lies the ultimate force that drives Holt. While other receivers go out looking to score touchdowns in bunches and gain yards by the bushel and complain when they don’t, Holt only truly cares about one statistic: wins.

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                              • RamDez
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                                Sunday, Oct. 02 2005

                                Cell phone hidden in the goal post padding? Nope. Sharpie pen stuffed in a
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                                "That's just not my deal." Because he eschews the kind of antics that other NFL
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                                The seventh-year veteran heads into Sunday's game at Giants Stadium as the
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                                After three games last year, he had one more catch and seven fewer yards. He
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                                "Torry is happy who he is," said coach Mike Martz, the offensive coordinator
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                                doesn't care about the attention. ... You've seen him in practice; he's like a
                                little kid running around here. He just loves to play."

                                Besides, Holt's mother, Ojetta Holt-Shoffner, didn't raise her three children
                                to be shameless self-promoters. Torry learned that at a tender age.

                                "When I was growing up, I used to do my little thing and show the other teams
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                                that stuff's going to catch up with you,'" said Holt, 29. "When she said that,
                                I kind of (decided to) just play the game ... let my play do my talking for me."

                                With his easy smile, Holt added: "Plus, going out there and talking and all
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                                This topic has been bounced around a bit on various threads but to my knowledge, has not been addressed directly by the group during the off season as a stand alone topic. I bring this up in part in the context of the recent threat comparing the great rams receiving tandems of all time.

                                I admit that i can not watch any replays from the carolina game. within 45 seconds of the end of the game i ripped up and threw into the garbage my vcr tape of the game and refused to watch the highlights. Far too depressing.

                                However, for what it is worth and out of the dark part of my memory, here is what i remember. The play was set up beautifully. It was a perfect call by martz and a nice enough play fake by bulger. I thought Holt was about as open as a receiver ever gets without the db actually falling down. I thought he had 2 to 3 steps. The ball was clearly not on target. i thought Holt had it and was going in for a TD. I really thought he should have had it, even if he had to turn around and slow up just to catch the ball rather than catch it on the dead run to try and carry it in for the td.

                                At first, i thought he blew an easy catch, at least a catch that should be a catch that an all pro makes under those game conditions. I remember seeing the replay in the heat of the moment and thinking to myself that the cactch was harder than i first thought and that the throw was really lousy and that he should have made sure he caught it, given the game situation, without trying to make the perfect play by running it in.

                                Call me biased, but i still think isaac bruce makes that catch, even if he doesnt run it in.

                                Please give me your thoughts on the play. Should Holt have made the catch. Should he have slowed down and turned to be sure he caught it rather than trying to run it in?

                                Obviously, that was a critical play in the game. No way to know if it changes the result, but many of us can be very harsh regarding martz' play calling. You do have to give him credit when he deserves it, and you have to admit that was a perfect call at a critical time and the execution just didnt get it done.

                                This thread it about holt. I think it states the obvious that when bulger has a reciever open by 5 feet for an obvious td without a pass rush in his face with the game on the line he HAS to throw a much more accurate ball. if anyone feels differently on that, lets talk about that as well.

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                                For the better part of his career, Torry Holt has been one of, if not the, lynchpins of the Rams offense.

                                In terms of statistics, Holt has been one of the most prolific and productive receivers of all time. Even when plagued by an ailing knee in 2007, Holt still found a way to catch 93 passes for 1,189 yards and seven touchdowns.

                                This season, Holt’s production has dropped dramatically. Through seven games, Holt has 26 catches for 289 yards. That’s good enough to lead the team in receptions and Holt has been targeted more than any other receiver with 48 targets.

                                But it’s also his lowest output in terms of touches since his rookie season when he had 19 catches in the first seven games.

                                Admittedly and for the first time in his career, Holt is frustrated by the lack of opportunities.

                                “Absolutely,” Holt said. “You go from getting as many touches and opportunities that I’ve had in the past to not nearly as many, yeah, it’s a sense of frustration.”

                                In his previous nine seasons in the league, Holt has averaged 37.4 catches through the first seven games of the season.

                                So, with those numbers in mind, what’s the reason for the drop off in production?

                                Depending on who you ask there are a variety of reasons Holt hasn’t been as active in the passing game.

                                Coach Jim Haslett believes that opponents are rolling coverages up on Holt more than ever and that the extra man in coverage has made it hard to get him the ball but he’s still been thrown to more than anyone on the team.

                                “I would be disappointed in Torry if he felt that he couldn’t contribute to this team,” Haslett said. “We’ll continue to try to find ways to get Torry the ball.”

                                Holt says while that might be true, it’s not the first time he’s seen that type of coverage.

                                “I think I am still getting open,” Holt said. “I don’t think you can go from what I did last year, the year before coming off knee surgery and come to this year and all of a sudden just be (crummy). I don’t think it happens that way, not with the way I work and how passionate I am about the game of football. I think it’s just a situation where obviously I’m getting doubled but I’ve beaten double teams plenty of times throughout the course of my career.”

                                Perhaps more than the amount of times the ball has been thrown his way, Holt’s issues stem from being used in a different way than he’s used to.

                                Holt has long been known for his precise route running ability, particularly the type of vertical routes and deep ins that have long been his hallmark.

                                This year, though, Holt hasn’t been the target of many of those deep passes. Holt has been targeted beyond 20 yards just six times with his lone catch being the 45-yard touchdown catch against...
                                -11-01-2008, 05:10 AM
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