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  • Shoulder injury puts Tercero out for season

    By Jim Thomas
    Of the Post-Dispatch
    11/17/2004
    Rams offensive lineman Scott Tercero proved in 2004 that he could play in the NFL. Unfortunately, he's done playing for the season because of a shoulder injury that will require surgery.

    Tercero was placed on injured reserve Tuesday, ending a season in which he rocketed up the depth chart with a surprisingly strong showing in the preseason and started four regular-season games at left guard.

    "I would've loved to have finished the season," Tercero said. "But to get to play in the first half of the season was great. I got some experience under my belt, and I'm going to try to take it from here and put that into next season."

    With Chris Dishman expected to miss this week's game in Buffalo because of a knee injury, it looks like Tom Nutten will start for the Rams at left guard, the position he manned from 1999 through 2002 in St. Louis, including two Super Bowl starts.

    Tercero, a sixth-round pick by the Rams in 2003 from California, spent most of his rookie season on the practice squad. But with the encouragement of Rams coaches, who told him he had the potential to play in the NFL, Tercero worked on getting bigger and stronger in the offseason.

    "I think that was probably one of the biggest knocks against me, that I was undersized," said Tercero, who's listed at 6-4, 303 pounds.

    The work apparently paid off. With Orlando Pace missing all of the preseason in a contract impasse, Tercero started all four exhibition games at offensive tackle, displaying quick feet and good agility.

    "That first preseason game, I was really nervous because I had a lot to prove - not only to the management and the (coaching) staff, but to myself that I could play at this level," Tercero said. "You really don't know that, until you put your hand in the dirt and you actually do play."

    Once the regular season began, he took over for the injured Dishman at left guard with starts against San Francisco (Oct. 3), Seattle (Oct. 10), Tampa Bay (Oct. 18) and Miami (Oct. 24).

    But almost as soon as he began playing, the injuries started mounting. Tercero suffered a broken bone in his left hand against the ***** but kept playing even though he had to wear a cast and at times appeared to be blocking almost one-handed.

    Then came a nagging right shoulder injury that couldn't be overcome. Tercero missed some time against New England and was on the pregame inactive list Sunday against Seattle because of the shoulder problem. But he can't recall exactly when or how he initially suffered the injury.

    "It's something that's been bothering me for the last few weeks," Tercero said. "It was starting to get progressively worse, to the point where I made a decision that I wouldn't be able to play effectively."

    An MRI showed that Tercero had a torn labrum in the shoulder. He spent part of his day Tuesday trying to set up surgery later this week.

    "It's going to be tough to be on sidelines and watch," Tercero said. "I'm going to build from this year and try to do better next year, and hopefully play a lot more, if not start."

    The Rams filled Tercero's spot on the roster Tuesday by promoting linebacker Drew Wahlroos from the practice squad. Walhroos, 6-3, 235 pounds, played his college ball at Colorado and could be used to help out on special teams. The Rams almost promoted him to the active roster two weeks ago. But because of a sprained ankle by tight end Cameron Cleeland, Mike Brake got the promotion instead to provide insurance at the position.

    Brake spent a week on the active roster leading up to the New England game before being released. He has been re-signed to the practice squad. But the Rams still have a vacancy to fill on the practice squad because defensive lineman D.J. Renteria has been released from the squad. Practice squad members practice with the team but cannot play in games.

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    Re: Shoulder injury puts Tercero out for season

    Anybody else feel really comfortable with Nutten in there? He looked great in the brief time we saw him last week.

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    • #3
      Re: Shoulder injury puts Tercero out for season

      Nutten did look pretty good. I was hoping we'd get to see if the Tercero-at-right-tackle experiment would pay off for us, but I guess we'll have to wait a bit on that one, if ever.

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      • #4
        Re: Shoulder injury puts Tercero out for season

        I feel fine with nutten in at the guard spot. The question now is, who is the backup guard. I guess Sapamamilaumula is the first backup choice at both tackle and guard, unless someone wanted to advocate larry turner.

        ramming speed to all

        general counsel

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          Re: Shoulder injury puts Tercero out for season

          Darnell Alford anybody? Pretty soon we'll have to pull somebody else out of retirement.

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          • RamWraith
            Nutten is ready for his encore
            by RamWraith
            By Jim Thomas
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            There was a time late in Sunday's game against Seattle when Mike Martz looked out at the Rams' offensive huddle from the sideline and saw the numbers 76, 61, 67, 62. . . .

            "It just brought back old memories," Martz said.

            Suddenly it was 2001 all over again.

            For much of the Greatest Show on Turf period - those three seasons of 500-plus points from 1999 through 2001 - offensive linemen Orlando Pace, Tom Nutten, Andy McCollum and Adam Timmerman did much of the heavy lifting for the Rams' high-wire act.

            Now, a succession of injuries at left guard has brought Nutten all the way back - from retirement to the Rams' starting lineup.

            "It's like old times," said McCollum, the Rams' center. "He's back. I don't know if you watched him much at the (Seattle) game, but he looked really good. Like his old self."

            With Scott Tercero a pregame scratch because of a shoulder injury, Nutten was the Rams' next option when Chris Dishman went down early in the third quarter with a knee injury. Dishman tried to return later in the quarter, but after a couple of plays gave way for good to Nutten.

            For Nutten, 33, it was his first extended playing time in two years.

            "It felt strange, but it felt good at the same time," he said. "It felt natural. There were a lot of emotions that I went through."

            Tercero was put on the injured reserve list Tuesday, ending his season, and he will need surgery on the shoulder. Dishman suffered a torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee, an injury that won't require surgery but will sideline him for four to six weeks.

            So as the Rams continue their drive for the playoffs, they are counting on Nutten to fill the void at left guard, perhaps for the rest of the regular season.

            "I'm pretty excited," he said Wednesday. "I think somebody said 'anxious' is a good word. We're just starting our work week, so I've got to settle myself down a little bit and make sure I don't peak too early."

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          • RamWraith
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            by RamWraith
            Read the bold GC :-) Just a matter of time *LOL*


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            Just minutes into his second practice with the Rams, safety Zack Bronson
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            Those plans blew up when Bronson's left ankle rolled over Wednesday. The extent
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          • RamWraith
            Rams make changes on depth chart--Polley demoted
            by RamWraith
            By Jim Thomas
            Of the Post-Dispatch
            08/16/2004

            Rams linebacker Tommy Polley was happy last May at minicamp, but he was demoted to second string Sunday.
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            MACOMB, Ill. - Who said exhibition games are meaningless?

            That wasn't the case Sunday for Tony Newson and Scott Tercero, and conversely, Tommy Polley and Andy King.

            In the Rams' first practice since Thursday's exhibition opener, against Chicago, Newson found himself with the starting unit at outside linebacker in the base defense. Polley was working with the second string.

            On the offensive line, Tercero worked with the first unit at left guard, with King moving from starting left guard to second-team right tackle.

            Newson said he was pulled aside by linebackers coach Joe Vitt about 20 minutes before Sunday's practice and told: "We're going to make a little change today."

            "That was a wrench thrown at the last minute," Newson said. "So it was quite a surprise."

            Newson played weakside linebacker for the rest of the Bears game after Pisa Tinoisamoa suffered a sprained ankle in the first quarter.

            "It gave me a chance to kind of earn a little bit of the coach's trust," Newson said. "So I thought I did pretty good."

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            Tercero was told of his switch by offensive line coach John Matsko in meetings before practice.

            "I was surprised at first, but I have more experience at guard," Tercero said. "So I feel a little bit more comfortable there."

            He started at right tackle against the Bears and played very well, but guard is his natural position from his college days at the University of California.

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            So are these new job assignments permanent?

            "I have no idea. I really don't," Tercero said. "And I try not to read into that. Wherever they put me, I'll play as well as I can, and then we'll go from there."

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            by RamWraith
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            Of the Post-Dispatch
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            Will there be a changing of the (left) guard Saturday in Seattle?

            During his regular Wednesday press conference at Rams Park, coach Mike Martz
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            -01-06-2005, 06:27 AM
          • RamWraith
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            by RamWraith
            By Bill Coats
            Of the Post-Dispatch
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            In nearly two decades of football, dating to his pre-high school days in Cozad, Neb., Chris Dishman never had suffered a significant knee injury. Now, it's two in two months.

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            -11-18-2004, 07:06 AM
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