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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Its just a smoke screen for u all to get the rules confused and into thinking that he cant own them both....Well heres the deal. He's not getting the Dodgers , He's just gonna move the Rams to L.A. !!!! Stop worring and whinning. It's gonna happen...........Oh Yeah!!!!

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  • md8
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Originally posted by Fettmaster View Post
    No my man, that's incorrect. You see, according to NFL cross-ownership rules, Stan can own the St. Louis Rams and other sports franchises as long as those franchises are located in a city that doesn't have an NFL team.

    They might have been wrong, but I did read 2 articles (forbes and foxsports I think it was) that said Stan could only own 2 sports franchises if they were in the same market.

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  • Truth
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Originally posted by GROUND DOG 39 View Post
    I never realized just how toxic the RaiderNation has been on the L.A. area. Until on joined ClanRam. Its been quite an eye opener, over the last two years.
    This is why AEG has made it clear that the Raiders are not one of the teams being considered as an option for their stadium.

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  • GroundDog39
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    [QUOTE=BEER;415933]Its not the same as it used to be. We had Raiders/Rams. If u went to a game, there were raider fans there even though the Rams wernt playing them. And when the Rams played the Raiders, you had to have a gang of Ram fans around u at all times. If u went to the restroom by yourself, your getting ft up. I think with the new stadium and the Raiders gone, it can be a family event.[/QUOTE

    I never realized just how toxic the RaiderNation has been on the L.A. area. Until on joined ClanRam. Its been quite an eye opener, over the last two years.?
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  • BEER
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    Originally posted by cfh128 View Post
    I need a Rams fan from LA to send me a PM. I'm a bitter east coast boy and I need somebody to explain to me why I should support anything involving the Rams moving to LA or LA in general.
    Its not the same as it used to be. We had Raiders/Rams. If u went to a game, there were raider fans there even though the Rams wernt playing them. And when the Rams played the Raiders, you had to have a gang of Ram fans around u at all times. If u went to the restroom by yourself, your getting ft up. I think with the new stadium and the Raiders gone, it can be a family event.

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  • QUINNtessentialTruth
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    Originally posted by Truth View Post
    Does the MLB actually have a stance on anything??
    Steroids..Just Steroids

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  • Truth
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Originally posted by chucknbob View Post
    Does anyone know what the MLB's stance on this is? Can he own the dodgers and Rams If the rams are in another MLB city?
    Does the MLB actually have a stance on anything??

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  • chucknbob
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    Does anyone know what the MLB's stance on this is? Can he own the dodgers and Rams If the rams are in another MLB city?

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  • Fettmaster
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Under the current rules, Kroenke can own an NFL team in St. Louis and a baseball team in a non-NFL city like Los Angeles.
    Say this were to happen and then the Chargers or Vikings announce they're moving to LA next year. What then?

    Originally posted by stvscharfe View Post
    The key to this deal is, Stan is allowed to own two sports franchises IF they're both in the SAME CITY
    No my man, that's incorrect. You see, according to NFL cross-ownership rules, Stan can own the St. Louis Rams and other sports franchises as long as those franchises are located in a city that doesn't have an NFL team. Prior to owning the Rams, Stan owned the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche, teams that obviously play in the same city that's home to the NFL's Denver Broncos. So Stan had or still has to give up ownership of those teams. Since LA doesn't have an NFL team, he's free to own the Rams and Dodgers.

    But how long will LA remain without a team? Could Kroenke receive a grandfather clause from the NFL to own both teams? Or would he be forced to give up ownership of another one of his franchises? Or like some are speculating, could Stan move the team?

    The plot is thickening.
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  • MrOrange
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    I need a Rams fan from LA to send me a PM. I'm a bitter east coast boy and I need somebody to explain to me why I should support anything involving the Rams moving to LA or LA in general.

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  • LA Rammer
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    why doesn't stan buy the dodgers and move them to st. louis... sorry i had to

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    I'm sorry, but I really believe that if Stan gets the Dodgers, it will be moving day for the Rams to L.A. The key to this deal is, Stan is allowed to own two sports franchises IF they're both in the SAME CITY. He buys the Dodgers (one of the most valuable teams in MLB) and then he's allowed to bring the Rams to L.A. Besides that, the guy who wants to build a stadium in L.A. is willing to sell the stadium to Stan IF he can buy a part-ownership in the Rams.
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  • gap
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Until I see otherwise, I see this as Stan forcing the NFL to do away with the cross-ownership rule. If he buys the Dodgers, he keeps the RAMs in St Louis, and uses that as leverage to keep the NFL out of LA until they remove the cross-ownnership rule. He would then "buy back" the teams that the league forced him to sell to his relatives. This would then open the door for another team to move to LA.

    And the current deal that AEG (IIRC) is trying to do will be an impossibility, as no team besides the RAMS can move to LA if Stan buys the Dodgers. This is because any NFL team moving to LA, that isn't owned by Stan, would make Stan owning the Dodgers a cross-ownership violation. And if Stan already owns the Dodgers, the NFL could not force him to sell the Dodgers so that they could move another team in to LA.

    Pure and simple, this is Stan forcing the league to remove the cross-ownership rule, and has NOTHING to do with him moving the RAMS back to LA.


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  • RAMFANRAIDERHATER
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    Re: If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?

    Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Anyone who thinks its as simple as IF KROENKE GETS THE DODGERS, THE RAMS MOVE TO LOS ANGELES, simply does not understand, or has chosen to be deliberately obtuse.

    Under the current rules, Kroenke can own an NFL team in St. Louis and a baseball team in a non-NFL city like Los Angeles. Considering that his ownership interests range from Denver to St. Louis to London, there's no reason to presume that Stan would feel the need to consolidate all of his teams in one location.

    Just another example of someone looking for an immediate answer to a question that simply can't be answered yet.
    I agree with AV... What?

    Too many people are reading too much into the Dodger deal. The Dodger's franchise is way to good to pass up if you're a business man who loves owning sports franchises like Stan. The Dodger name is money waiting to happen for a good business man. And a good business man like Stan sees the possibilities associated with owning the Dodgers. I don't believe it has anything to do with the Rams situation. It's just a matter of (bad) timing. The bidding for the Dodgers and the Rams issues just happen to be going on at the same time.

    And with a lot of powerful people, things just always seem to fall into place at the right time. Although the Dodger's bidding and Rams stadium problems are not connected at the moment, they could very well be in the near future and Stan would be in an excellent position to make best use of that situation. Imagine that Stan wins the bidding and becomes the owner of the Dodgers. Bringing one of his other franchises into the same area could be very beneficial I would think. He would then become one of the richest, most influential owners in all of sports. Which I think is his goal.

    ...and the rich would get richer.

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  • AvengerRam_old
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    Anyone who thinks its as simple as IF KROENKE GETS THE DODGERS, THE RAMS MOVE TO LOS ANGELES, simply does not understand, or has chosen to be deliberately obtuse.

    Under the current rules, Kroenke can own an NFL team in St. Louis and a baseball team in a non-NFL city like Los Angeles. Considering that his ownership interests range from Denver to St. Louis to London, there's no reason to presume that Stan would feel the need to consolidate all of his teams in one location.

    Just another example of someone looking for an immediate answer to a question that simply can't be answered yet.

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