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  • Its Time for Martz apologists to stand behind their man

    Why I believe he’s starting to get it.

    All of you that have stood behind Coach Martz during his underacheivment days take a look at what he is finally understanding, what would have propeled the rams to more world championships had he taken this stuff seriously during the years when we had more talent then any one team should be allowed.

    Don't get me wrong either because I am behind this guy and what he has been saying.

    "We're just not resilient enough and tough enough, I think, emotionally in a lot of areas to overcome some of these things that you have to overcome. I thought we were going in the right direction. That's why after the game it was so disconcerting because some bad things happened to us and we weren't able to rally."
    After Seattle game:
    "I'm very proud of this football team and how they responded," he said. "But the most important thing at this point now is next week we've got to continue with this type of effort." "I'm very proud of this football team and how they responded," he said. "But the most important thing at this point now is next week we've got to continue with this type of effort."
    I have been saying this all year!:
    "We just punted the ball very poorly," Martz said. "A 26- yard punt, you know, that's not good. That's going to come back at you no matter how you look at it. Sean didn't punt well at all. He hasn't for some time now. So that's a major issue."
    Some of you chastise Mart when he gets on the Players however that is expected of a Head Coach when building motivation. Motivation does not start with pats on the butts.

    "There are some guys that we obviously counted very heavily on, that have not rose to the occasion," Martz said. "I can't put it any other way. This isn't a right to be here in the National Football League. It's a privilege.

    "We've got some young players here that feel like they're on scholarship or something. Some of them don't get it yet. It's a small group of guys. We've got a real good football team by and large in that respect.'

    But it's clear that Martz thinks some of the younger players are letting him and the team down.

    "... When you have rookies that come in here, they just feel like it's kind of a rite of passage," Martz said. "'What can you expect? I'm a rookie.' That kind of a deal. That happens on every team. Unfortunately, we're in a position where we're expecting them to play at a high level, so they've got to pick it up."
    Let them know when they screw up. Yes publicly is ok if that is what it takes! Who gives a rats a$$ if someone doesn’t like it!
    "If I'm Kevin Garrett, and the two corners are down and I'm in there (playing), then I should've been prepared for this all week long,"
    Nothing wrong with telling it like it is even if the liberal masses don’t like it!
    "A lot of it is attitude," Martz said. "And some of it's coaching, too. We have to be very specific about what we're telling these guys. . . . But it doesn't take a whole lot to run down a kickoff, other than an attitude, and avoiding the blocker."
    Weather or not he can fix it; I don’t know however he sure as hell finally is seeing it!
    We’re just not resilient and tough enough emotionally in a lot of areas to overcome some of these things we have to overcome.”
    Sending the message loud and clear:
    “This isn’t a right to be here in the National Football League, it’s a privilege. You have to earn that privilege every time you step onto the field. We have some young players here who feel like they are on scholarship or something. I’ve made this point with them many times and some of them just don’t get it. It’s a small group of guys.

    “When you get on the special teams units, your effort and your focus cannot be less than what you’re doing on the other side of the ball.

    “There are a lot of things we’re going to change. We’ll change. We’re not going to sit still and accept it, that’s for sure.”
    Win or lose your going to see a different attitude Monday night. Sorry Packers.

    And that is why I BELIEVE!

  • #2
    Re: Its Time for Martz apologists to stand behind their man

    Count me in, RamTime! Will elaborate later.

    Nice job in gathering statements that are indicative of Coach Martz' sincerity. :helmet:

    Mistakes? No problem. 'Been there, 'done that. Weaknesses? Count me in.


    • #3
      Re: Its Time for Martz apologists to stand behind their man

      Well I am not a Martz apologist - so no comment

      However I will leave you with a quote that you missed:

      "Everybody has a preconceived idea of how things should be done, and I guess I don't fit the mold. But I can't change. I'm not going to change."

      -Mike Martz-

      Curly ~ Horns


      • #4
        Re: Its Time for Martz apologists to stand behind their man

        for the people that like to criticize martz What makes you think that if martz hadn't taken over from vermiel that we would have had the success we have had with another coach


        • #5
          Re: Its Time for Martz apologists to stand behind their man

          Because, there are still some coaches out there that are not completely retarded, I'm sure of it.

          Refer back to the Carolina playoff game if you need proof. >He still doesn't get it<

          Maybe we should shoot for Erikson next season when the whiners dump him. either way we won't win the SB so what's the difference?


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            "By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

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            How long will you allow Martz to run down the Rams before you insist he be fired?
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          • eldfan
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            Let's hope Martz proves us wrong with his madness
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            Sports Columnist Bryan Burwell

            If most of the football world already thought Mike Martz was a maddeningly stubborn football eccentric more than willing to bite off his nose to spite his face, wait until they get a load of him now.

            At his Monday afternoon news conference at Rams Park, the Rams head coach fiercely defended his swashbuckling way of football life as if ... well, as if his life depended on it, which in a way it probably does. He is coaching an obviously flawed football team with a 1-2 record and a defense that is springing more leaks than the Titanic. But as Martz relies on his signature aggressive offensive methods for rescuing this young but very shaky season, he knows he's being confronted with outside resistance.

            He is surrounded by a world full of conventional football thinkers who want to fit this aggressive, damn-the-torpedoes square peg into a very conservative round hole. We want him to play it by the old-school book. If the defense can't stop anyone - and after three weeks of play, there is faint evidence that this bloodied and battered group can - then why not go with a clock-gobbling, smash-mouth style of offense that relies on Marshall Faulk's fleet feet and Steven Jackson's brutish blasts?

            In essence, what we want is for Martz to stay inside the lines, which of course is just about the most repugnant thing you can say to a guy with his aggressive offensive temperament. Why not just ask dogs to start living with cats?

            "Look ... look ... don't ... uhhh," he said, practically spitting out the words like they were a bad piece of meat. "You need to find another coach, then. We're going to play fast and furious, that's what we do. We're going to run it when we ... want to run it, not because somebody (uh, that would be you and me) feels like you have to be balanced."

            He smiled almost defiantly when he said that. And just in case you didn't understand it the first time, Martz put this exclamation point on his soliloquy:

            "That's the way it is. Get used to it. That's the way it is."

            Now here's what I learned from this rather revealing State of the Rams address: Mike Martz doesn't particularly care what the outside world thinks he should do. He has a plan, and he's going to stick with it. It may not be the plan you want, but it's the plan you're going to get. And here's something else gleaned from Martz's feisty words: He will get every opportunity over the next 13 weeks to either sink or swim with his convictions.

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          • AvengerRam_old
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            Before I get to the list... a disclaimer. I am NOT trying to argue that Martz is flawless or even that he is a "great" coach. Frankly, I go back and forth on my support of Martz as much as anyone else. That said, I think that there are a few things that fans and the media criticize Martz for unjustly, and here are the top 3:

            1. "Martz can't draft": There are two reasons why this criticism is unfair. First, Martz is hardly solely responsible for the Rams selections. While he clearly has had a couple of "pet" picks that have not worked out (Canidate, Crouch), it is also likely that some of the picks that missed were favorites of Armey and, possibly, Lovie Smith. Second, the Rams have made some real quality picks under Martz, including real "finds" like Jeremetrius Butler, Travis Fisher, Anthony Hargrove and even a guy like Chris Massey. Is Martz a draft "genius"? No. Is he totally inept? Again, no.

            2. "Martz needlessly burns timeouts and challenges": I've heard this one so many times, particularly from the morons on ESPN. But ask yourself this question: how many times have the Rams scored on drives when Martz slowed things down with a timeout or a challenge, as compared to the number of times the Rams were truly burned by the lack of timeouts or challenges at the end of a half or game. Frankly, I can only think of one example of the latter - when the Rams would have benefitted against Tampa had they saved a challenge. Just because something is unorthodox, doesn't mean its wrong.

            3. "Martz is going to play a QB at WR...": A lot of teams change the positions of players. While converting a QB to another position is unusual, it has worked. Look at Antuan Randel-El (who the Rams were high on, but missed out on taking, when they took Eric Crouch). Heck, Nolan Cromwell was a converted QB.

            So, if you want to say Martz sometimes abandons the run... I'm with you (though, interestingly, he does so no more than they do in Indianapolis, and you never hear anyone calling their coaches "Mad"). If you want to say that he sometimes says too much publicly when he should just pull a Bill Parcells "no comment," no argument there.

            But some of the stereotypical Martz-bashing themes are simply not warranted.
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          • AvengerRam_old
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            Mike Martz is not like most coaches. When he makes a mistake, he has no qualms about saying so to the press. He divulged his scoreboard gaffe after the preseason game against Oakland, and volunteered on Sunday that he had made bad play calls in the red zone.

            My initial reaction to this was to want to tell Martz that he might want to keep these things to himself (or, at least, within the locker room). By describing his errors with such candor, he only adds fuel to the fire of his detractors, who are itching to take him to task in the media and on fan sites.

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            Interesting reaction. The Coach takes responsibility, then the QB shifts the blame back on the players.

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            I was listening to Mike Martz's postgame comments. He expressed his disappointment and concerns in an even-tempered, logical and thoughtful manner.

            Maybe... that's the problem.

            I want him to be ticked off. I want him to be embarrassed. I want him to be irate.

            Now, obviously I don't know how Martz is in the locker room as compared to in front of the camera or microphone, so perhaps I'm off base here. But it seems to me that this team needs to get fired up and angry.

            Its great to have the best talent and a technical prowess to out-think the opponent. But that is not always going to be the situation, and when its not (as is likely the case this year) you need to beat the opponent with fire and effort!

            Come on, Mike... get angry!!!!!!!!!!
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