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  • A new contovers looming.

    Do you think Marshall will be benched in favor of Jackson?

    If it happens how big will the controversy be?

    Will it be Mashall's Maniac's or will it be Jackson Faction's???????

    I know this is not a very nice topic to start I am sorry.

  • #2
    Re: A new contovers looming.

    Marshall will be gone next year. Whether it be by his own doing or the front office.


    • #3
      Re: A new contoversy looming.

      Marshall will be gone next year. Whether it be by his own doing or the front office.
      I hope not I hope he accepts his role next year. I think he will be the #2 and will be very effective on 3rd down pass plays.


      • #4
        Re: A new contovers looming.

        I think we should set him up to do well against a couple of marshmellow defenses. (Damn I wish we had two more games Vs. SF). Then we get the most we can for him from a team in dire need of a running back. (S.F. anyone?)


        • #5
          Re: A new contoversy looming.

          Jackson should be starting now. Faulk has a role as a receiver (another TD anyone - see how confused the D got when MF lined up outside?), but his dipsy-do in the hole isn't cutting it anymore ... he doesn't have the acceleration to make it work any longer. And with as cream-puff as the o-line is, the Rams need a RB to create the hole where there is none. Two back sets and MF in the slot will give Faulk all the dignity he needs to bow out gracefully. But with the playoffs still within reach, this is no time for sentimentality.


          • #6
            Re: A new contovers looming.

            It pains me to say this, but Jackson should now be the feature back. Marshall is still the man at finding the small opening on 3rd & short or as a slot receiver, but the speed and power are gone. I do not want to see him elsewhere, except for where he lines up on the Rams...


            • #7
              Re: A new contovers looming.

              As much as Jackson seems to look better than Faulk right now I'm not enitirely convinced that Jackson's success is based largely on the timing of his runs. Not to mention the types of running plays that each of them get. Marshall seems to be getting a lot of "inside handoffs" as they were called last night. I can't tell you how aggravated I've been by that stupid play where Marshall lines up in the slot and then at the snap of the ball, runs down the line and takes the handoff. It hasn't come close to working.

              I haven't seen Marshall take a handoff and then have a hole to run through in a long time so it might be better for Jackson to take a beating behind the line of scrimmage. He has more strength than Faulk so he might be able to bust through a couple of the non-holes that the Rams running game constantly face. Of course, he's starting to show signs of a fumbling problem that I'm not too excited about either. For his low number of carries he seems to have fumbled a lot.

              All in all, I'm not excited about teams game-planning for Jackson. He has been benefiting from being "the other rb" so far and I'm not convinced that he will be able to carry the load yet.


              • #8
                Re: A new contovers looming.

                Originally posted by moklerman
                As much as Jackson seems to look better than Faulk right now I'm not enitirely convinced that Jackson's success is[n't?] based largely on the timing of his runs.
                I won't dispute that timing plays a role in the impression gained thus far. But it is too hard of a phenomenon to pin down. So I would rather say that with Jackson's running comes inspiration and with Faulk's comes frustration. For what ever the reason, it has been seldom that one rises to cheer a MF run - mainly I suspect because there is dread that he will be hauled down from behind or that he isn't juking anyone senseless anymore.

                Originally posted by Ibid.
                Of course, he's starting to show signs of a fumbling problem that I'm not too excited about either. For his low number of carries he seems to have fumbled a lot.
                I didn't bother to look it up, so I can stand corrected, but I only recall two Jackson fumbles. And I only recall those because of the timing. If that's the case I'm not going to start labeling him fumble-prone just yet.

                Originally posted by Ibid.
                All in all, I'm not excited about teams game-planning for Jackson. He has been benefiting from being "the other rb" so far and I'm not convinced that he will be able to carry the load yet.
                And the first time Jackson is asked to carry 30 - 35 times, we will see what other questions have yet to emerge. But the series of 3 runs and a catch for 2 1st downs made me want to see him on the field more. The O is not firing on all cylinders and an effective ground game when a run is needed has to be part of the equation. So what I'd like to get excited about is seeing our man sMartz game plan for Jackson.


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                • sbramfan
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