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  • Martz hoping restructured defense finally takes hold

    R.B. FALLSTROM

    Associated Press


    ST. LOUIS - At long last, St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz believes his beleaguered defense is ready to stand alongside his still somewhat high-powered offense.

    How he came to that conclusion is unclear because the Rams (5-6) have shown zero progress lately. The Packers rang up 45 points on Monday, the Bills scored 37 the week before and there have been seven 100-yard rushers against St. Louis. The last four opponents have totaled 703 yards rushing.

    "I know it sounds silly after the last few weeks," Martz said. "But I'm really encouraged."

    Their next chance to show they're ready comes Sunday against the lowly ***** (1-10).

    "Every week is an opportunity," defensive end Bryce Fisher said. "It's going to be important for us to go out there and prove ourselves."

    When Lovie Smith left to become head coach of the Chicago Bears after three successful seasons as defensive coordinator in St. Louis, the Rams made the transition from a bending cover-2 defense to one with multiple schemes and featuring more pressure. But the transition to new coordinator Larry Marmie has been rocky in part because players had become attached to the old ways.

    Martz blames himself for introducing the new defense gradually instead of making a clean break, an approach that has contributed to the Rams losing four of five.

    "It wasn't fair to Larry and it took a while for these guys to completely accept what we're doing," Martz said. "Now, the change is complete.

    "They've accepted it and they're trying to learn it."

    Week after week, players have noted that minor breakdowns in gap coverage in what essentially is an eight-man front have resulted in huge gains for the offense. This week, they hope, they will seal those gaps.

    "We've just got to play our technique and our assignment," defensive tackle Brian Howard said. "We've got to stop them this week. There's been a lot of extra emphasis on it."

    Martz, always optimistic, sees a lot of positive signs.

    "When they execute the defense, that ball doesn't get past the line of scrimmage," Martz said. "It just doesn't."

    On the other hand, he said the defense has been far too tentative. But there's still time because despite their slide and sub-.500 record, the Rams would be the sixth seed in the playoffs.

    They're one game behind the Seahawks for first place in the weak NFC West, and own both tiebreakers over Seattle.

    There might be a few more lineup changes, too, as the tweaking process continues. Antuan Edwards, acquired off waivers from the Dolphins on Nov. 11, will make his first start for St. Louis at free safety. Howard could make his second career start, and second in a row, over underachieving former first-rounder Damione Lewis. Or Martz could give Jimmy Kennedy, the first-round pick last year, his first career start at that tackle spot.

    Progress might be difficult to gauge this week because the ***** are on a six-game losing streak in which they've been outscored 183-101. The Rams beat them 24-14 on Oct. 3 in San Francisco.

    "There has to be a lot of self-motivation, and that has to come from within the team," ***** coach Dennis Erickson said. "We need to make evaluations when this year is over with and decide which direction we're going.

    "So, a lot of guys are playing for their jobs, or a lot of guys need to improve."

    Stopping the Rams' offense will be difficult. Last week they scored only 17 points because they stopped themselves, wasting 448 yards passing from Marc Bulger.

    That's been the case to a certain extent all year. Bulger leads the NFL with 3,267 yards passing, 71 more than Peyton Manning. But Manning has 41 touchdown passes and Bulger has just 17.

    The ***** always have incentive in this game because the Rams are their biggest rival, dating to the decades when both teams were in California.

    "You always want to beat the Rams," tight end Eric Johnson said. "We wouldn't mind taking them out of the playoffs. The more we keep focusing on how many losses we have, the more depressed and long the season will be."

    The game matches two of the least opportunistic teams in the NFL, combining for a minus-30 in turnover differential, The Rams trail the NFL with only four interceptions and 10 total takeaways, and the ***** aren't far ahead with only 12 takeaways.

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    Re: Martz hoping restructured defense finally takes hold

    "It wasn't fair to Larry and it took a while for these guys to completely accept what we're doing," Martz said.
    Oh so, Marmie's HC has been unfair to him for every season since 2000 when he first became a DC. That must be it because his defenses have finished on average 29th each season and we're currently 28th. Yea, fairness that's what Marmie is missing :confused:

    Come on Mike, just admit that your buddy is not a good DC and was brought on board so you'd have a fishing buddy to swap old stories with.

    Maybe, instead of fairness to Marmie, the true problem is
    the Rams made the transition from a bending cover-2 defense to one with multiple schemes and featuring more pressure.
    More pressure, Mike, more pressure. Are you kidding me? Quite the opposite MM. These guys are generating less pressure than last year. And maybe these "multiple schemes" (which is saying nothing, every team in the league runs "multiple schemes" at some point) aren't getting the job done. You have a defense full of young players, they have to be coached by coaches that know how to develop young talent. They should be getting better each year, not regressing. Regression is for older players, like Aeneas (God bless him) who are at the end of their careers, not young players like Polley (26), Arch (27), Pickett (25), Lewis (26), Butler (26), & Thomas (24). None of which have shown progress.

    Mike, this defense doesn't get better until Marmie is cut loose in the offseason.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    • #3
      Re: Martz hoping restructured defense finally takes hold

      While I'm not happy with the production of Marmie's defense this year, I'm still not going to crap on him like some of you have. Anyone coaching for Arizona is going to look like crap..they have no real ownership commitment to excellence...Also, I think you have to look at the fact that Marmie inherited a D that was already lackluster vs. the run and not much better vs. the pass...compound that with the change in scheme and I think you have to cut the guy a bit of slack...I'm not saying the he's a good D-cord yet...but I think the verdict is still out...Put yourself in his shoes...If you were given only half a season to bring these guys together before every arm chair QB and his mother called for your head..I highly doubt you'd be to happy...or feel like you were given a fair shot. I think that's one of the big problems with todays teams and ownership..Everybody wants instant results...we all know life doesn't work that way...I respect owners like the Steeler's Rooney who has stuck with his guy through thick and thin...Just look at the Redskins debacle over the last few years with their tampon of an owner tripping over himself for instant gratification...We all know Parcells, Gibbs and Vermeil are good coaches...they are all having crappy years dos that mean we should throw them to the lions too.

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      • #4
        Re: Martz hoping restructured defense finally takes hold

        Originally posted by SOG
        We all know Parcells, Gibbs and Vermeil are good coaches...they are all having crappy years dos that mean we should throw them to the lions too.
        Shades, I understand what you're saying and not even the best coach in the world is going to produce every year. But, my point is why did we bring in a coach who has NEVER had success at the NFL level. I mean, we wouldn't bring back Tony Banks and then say give him time to get used to the system. Of course not, because he has never had success, why would we expect a little time to bring about different results? The same holds true for Marmie. Inferior coaching doesn't fix itself. It gets removed. The Cardinals defense with Marmie at the helm gave up, on average, gave up 367 yards and 26 points every game. This year w/o Marmie, they are giving 35 less yards and a full TD less per game. While our defense has given up 30 yards and a full TD more, per game, than we did last year. Those may not sound like big differences, but it's enough to turn Arizona's D from bottom of the pile in '03 (32nd out of 32 teams) to literally an average D in '04 (16th). While we have done just the opposite (17th in '03, 30th in '04).

        Martz asks for patience with Marmie....the Cards gave him 4 years of patience and didn't get better until he left.
        The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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        • #5
          Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

          Originally posted by RamWraithR.B. FALLSTROM

          Associated Press


          ST. LOUIS - "You always want to beat the Rams," tight end Eric Johnson said. "We wouldn't mind taking them out of the playoffs. The more we keep focusing on how many losses we have, the more depressed and long the season will be."
          Can I interrupt for a moment? Who is covering the TE this time? Just curious. No particular reason. Sorry I asked.

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          • #6
            Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

            Originally posted by adarian_too
            Can I interrupt for a moment? Who is covering the TE this time? Just curious. No particular reason. Sorry I asked.
            Nobody...that's the problem!

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            • #7
              Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

              Originally posted by adarian_too
              Can I interrupt for a moment? Who is covering the TE this time? Just curious. No particular reason. Sorry I asked.
              Let's see here, Week 13..hmm..the schedule says it's your turn adarian.
              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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              • #8
                Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

                Originally posted by HUbison
                Let's see here, Week 13..hmm..the schedule says it's your turn adarian.
                Oh, thanks. Let's see, do I need long cleats or short ones? I forget. Are we even out doors?

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                • #9
                  Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

                  Originally posted by adarian_too
                  Oh, thanks. Let's see, do I need long cleats or short ones? I forget. Are we even out doors?
                  We're at the ED, so you'll need your turf shoes. Also, Johnson has a degree in American Studies from Yale and he was born and raised in Massachusetts. So what I was thinking was you should get him distracted with talks centering around John Kerry and you may have his mind taken away from the game. If that doesn't work, start quoting some Mark Twain and maybe he'll bite on the literary aspect.
                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

                    We're at the ED, so you'll need your turf shoes.
                    OK. So that's narrowed down. Give me moment. High tops or fashion statement? Probably high tops. But don't fret yourself another moment over that one. I'll come up with something liable to break my leg at least up towards the shin by game time.

                    Mind games? With a Skull and Crossbones man? That won't be hard. Hopefully it won't have to come down to that. I'm a little rusty on my rollin' up on the leg tackling technique, but I think I can at least convincingly fall on the back of his leg while disengaging from a block. That might give pause to any other TEs not thinking about breakin' out the peace pipe early in the game.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

                      Originally posted by HUbison
                      So what I was thinking was you should get him distracted with talks centering around John Kerry and you may have his mind taken away from the game. If that doesn't work, start quoting some Mark Twain and maybe he'll bite on the literary aspect.
                      So, did you notice that an LB was covering the TE instead of a S? Did you also notice that Johnson only had 1 catch for 6 yards? When I mentioned your suggestion to EJ he said that was the silliest thing he had heard in a while. But then he only went out and had 1 catch for 6 yards. Makes me think the suggestion to take his mind away from the game wasn't so silly after all.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Martz hoping defense "restructured?"

                        Originally posted by adarian_too
                        So, did you notice that an LB was covering the TE instead of a S? Did you also notice that Johnson only had 1 catch for 6 yards? When I mentioned your suggestion to EJ he said that was the silliest thing he had heard in a while. But then he only went out and had 1 catch for 6 yards. Makes me think the suggestion to take his mind away from the game wasn't so silly after all.
                        Well done, Adarian. You made us all proud Sunday. :king:
                        The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                          By Jim Thomas
                          Of the Post-Dispatch
                          Saturday, Oct. 02 2004

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                          Heard people say this a lot… I really don’t buy this on the defensive side of the ball (though I agree there is a definite lack of talent on OL)… almost every player (maybe exception being Coady and D Lewis ) has at some point shown a lot of promise.. feels like yesterday we were all praising Polley and had Arch penciled in as a future pro bowler… why then have they all suddenly forgotten how to tackle or make a play ? Doesn’t sound like a talent issue to me…

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                          By the numbers, the Rams' defensive performance isn't pretty seven games into the season. They rank 27th in total defense, have failed to produce a takeaway in five of their seven contests and have yielded more points (165) than all but three NFL teams.

                          But when asked to evaluate the work of new defensive coordinator Larry Marmie, coach Mike Martz went on the offensive.

                          "First of all, that's none of your business," Martz told a reporter at his Monday news conference. "What I think of my staff, my assessment of the staff, is certainly personal."

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                          "I think he's a terrific coach, and I think he's done a terrific job," Martz added. "I think he's as good a coach as there is in the National Football League. I think he's doing a terrific job over there."

                          Martz and Marmie have a long history. Martz was an assistant coach under Marmie from 1988 to 1991 while Marmie was head coach at Arizona State University. After hiring him to replace Lovie Smith, Martz has been protective of his friend, limiting media access to Marmie once the regular season started.

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                          When asked if he had any thoughts on limiting those big pass plays, Martz responded: "Yeah, I have some thoughts that I shared with our staff today."

                          So could he share those thoughts with reporters - and by extension - Rams fans?

                          "No," Martz replied. "No, I don't think so. All these issues, as Chuck Knox used to say, will be addressed in due time. And that will be this (bye) week. Obviously, we've got some things we've got to fix."

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