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  • Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

    After mulling over the situation I have come to realize something. We did not play that bad of a game today. NOW JUST STAY SEATED AND HEAR ME OUT!

    Our longest gain of the day was a 75 yard TD to Holt. The panthers longest gain of the day was a pass for 30 yards while their longest run of the day was 16 yards. This is quite an accomplishment considering we only had the ball for 24:24 while Carolina had the ball for 35:36. We minded our manners fairly well as we only had 5 penalties for 44 yards.

    Sure Timmermans wrestling move cost us a TD however without that holding it is likely that Tony Banks err Chris Chandler holds the ball to long giving up another sack.. Conversely the Panthers had 7 penalties for 55 yards. Even though the announcers were being apologists for Chandler I thought he held the ball to long on several occasions.

    Turning back to the sermon preached by the announcers they decided in their divine gridiron wisdom that only 2 of those 6 interceptions were Chandlers fault. If you ask me (which I know you won’t so I have to ask myself ) when a QB throws 6 picks he is to blame for all interceptions after the first two. Obviously tweedle dee and his side kick have not seen a Rams game when Williams is attending to the right tackle chores. There wasn’t any more pressure on Chandler then there has been on Bulger and in fact I would say there was less.

    Lost in the agony of defeat has been the defensive effort today. Yes the Rams defense played damn well. Remember 6 interceptions could yield 42 points however the final score was 20-7. If Bulger started this game we would have won it. If Martz doesn’t pull well. a Martz and kick two field goals then I think we still could have won it despite the 6 picks. Blame the old guys for this defeat not the youngsters. Martz and Chandler respectively.

    BTW in case you did not realize how important Bulger is to this team I trust that you do now.

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    Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

    I agree RamTime. They played a good game, except for the two old guys.
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    • #3
      Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

      I don't get it. We're 6-7. Sure, there is still a sliver of hope for a playoff berth.. but the best we can hope for is 8-8 this year.

      And that's supposed to make us feel good?

      We're NOT playing "well". Even in our wins, we're not showing consistency. We have a WEAK schedule this year.. and still just 8-8.. and a real possibility of 6-10.

      Yes, I certainly feel like EEYOR (sp). But there is no ray of hope here. It's time to rebuild around guys like Jackson, Tinoisamoa, et al.

      We SHOULD have been able to reload without tearing it all down and rebuilding.. but that window has passed.

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      • #4
        Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

        How about that run by Isaac Bruce after the catch though. That was impressive. I think this team still has hope of making the playoffs once ole 1-0 gets back.

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        • #5
          Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

          I don't get it. We're 6-7. Sure, there is still a sliver of hope for a playoff berth. But the best we can hope for is 8-8 this year.

          And that's supposed to make us feel good?
          Where in that post does it say anything about feeling good about our record? The only thing remotely close is the statement "Were in the middle of a playoff race. So sorry but this happens to be fact. What you should feel good about is the fact that were not dead at 6-7

          We're NOT playing "well". Even in our wins, we're not showing consistency. We have a WEAK schedule this year. And still just 8-8. And a real possibility of 6-10. .
          Really? Were not playing well? I didn't notice! Two things here. #1 we are playing just like we did last year except for the fact that we are not creating turnovers. Furthermore (and this may come as a shocker to you) but our schedule is not easy. Last year our cup cake schedule along with teams like the Ravens laying down for us vaulted us to a truth hiding 12-4 record.


          Yes, I certainly feel like EEYOR (sp). But there is no ray of hope here. It's time to rebuild around guys like Jackson, Tinoisamoa, et al. .
          Not sure how one rebuilds around Jackson when we did not attempt to play around a healthy Faulk. I think to go that route we will need a new head coach. Hmm?

          We SHOULD have been able to reload without tearing it all down and rebuilding. But that window has passed.
          Yer kidding right? Where have you been since 2000 when some of us pessimistic, separatist, disloyal, gloomy fans pulled the fire alarm regarding WASTE OF TALENT? Tell me truthfully has this downward trend come as a shock to you? Let me grease the landing a little for you. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Meanwhile enjoy the gift bestowed upon the Rams in that were in a playoff race which will most likely be the final playoff race for a few years. Do not be flabbergasted when the Rams go 5 - 10 in 2005. I guess maybe then people will begin to realize just how criminally wrong the waste of talent since 2000 has been. But perhaps not….

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          • #6
            Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

            Where have you been since 2000 when some of us pessimistic, separatist, disloyal, gloomy fans pulled the fire alarm regarding WASTE OF TALENT? Tell me truthfully has this downward trend come as a shock to you? Let me grease the landing a little for you. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Meanwhile enjoy the gift bestowed upon the Rams in that were in a playoff race which will most likely be the final playoff race for a few years. Do not be flabbergasted when the Rams go 5 - 10 in 2005. I guess maybe then people will begin to realize just how criminally wrong the waste of talent since 2000 has been. But perhaps not….
            I agree... Just wonder what it will be like around here when that happens...
            This space for rent...

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            • #7
              Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

              When I think waste of talent, I think...


              Dan Fouts never making a Super Bowl.
              Dan Marino only making one.
              The 1985 Bears never getting close again.
              The Eagles losing the NFC Championship 3 times in a row.
              Those great late-70s Baltimore Colt teams that never could make it.

              The post-2000 Rams? Not even on the list.

              Heck, I'd put the Ram teams of the mid-70s, who had an incredible defense and offensive line, but could never get past the Vikings and Cowboys, on the list before the post-2000 Rams.

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              • #8
                Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                RAMTIME

                I feel the same as I felt last year. We got into the playoffs with smoke and mirrors. A Defense that gave us a huge plus in takeaway, and Wilkins, who had the most-used leg in football. We didn't deserve to be in the playoffs last year, and we don't deserve to be in the playoffs this year. I guess it's a testament to how pitiful the NFC has become.

                Our schedule includes 2 games each against Seattle, Arizona and San Francisco. Also, sad sack New Orleans and Miami, and until recently, Buffalo and Carolina could also have been included (carolina still should.. they aren't as impressive as we made them look).

                YES!!! WE NEED A NEW HEAD COACH!!!

                Where was I? I was here for a brief period just before this new site was created. I was one of the "pessimistic, separatist, disloyal, gloomy fans" pulling the fire alarm, too, and the response from the uber-loyalists here is mainly why I shunned the place for so long.

                AvengerRam

                The greatest show on turf doesn't even make your list of one-man teams and other disappointments? We had a lineup superior to that of the Cowboys in the 90s. Bruce/Holt > Irvin Faulk > Emmit Smith Warner > Aikman.

                Why do they have all those rings and we have 1?

                Oh yeah.. I forgot. It's stupid to make it all about Championships. Right. Forgot.

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                • #9
                  Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                  The early 90s Cowboy team had a better O line and Defense than the 1999-2001 Ram team. Plus, salary cap was not as big a factor then.


                  Look, nobody would have liked to have seen the Rams win multiple titles in the GSOT Era more than I, but to act like it was some sort of birthright that the Rams gave up because of Martz is silly. Give a little credit to the fine Baltimore, Tampa and yes, even New England teams that have won Super Bowls since then.

                  Another "waste" I can't believe I left off the list - how about the Jim Kelly Buffalo teams that went 0-4 in the Super Bowl?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                    I guess it's ok if you don't EXACTLY use my ID, eh?

                    LOL

                    Yes, the dynamic was different in the 90s, but it doesn't make the player comparisons different. The cap didn't cause us to break up and waste our talent. Hubris from Martz did. Odysseus' pride drove us aground.

                    Regarding the Jim Kelly Buffalo team... exactly the legacy we're suffering under... our only redeeming value is that the player you have kicked to the curb and banned us from talking about as a RAM was the one who kept us from being thought of as nothing but first loser for all those years. On the other hand... at least Buffalo MADE IT to the Super Bowl all those years. We could only do it twice, despite our obvious talent advantage.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                      Actually, Odysseus is not really known for having a problem with hubris. Rather, it is Achilles, who sat out a portion of the Trojan War while sulking due to the slight of Agammemnon, that is commonly attributed with this trait.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                        LOL

                        Actually, Odysseus is not really known for having a problem with hubris. Rather, it is Achilles, who sat out a portion of the Trojan War while sulking due to the slight of Agammemnon, that is commonly attributed with this trait.
                        You REALLY like to argue, don'tcha?

                        One of many online papers of the subject

                        Odysseus's pride led him to make blind, rash decisions. Hubris, a Greek word, is the best way to describe Odysseus's pride. Hubris is a unique type of pride that is almost arrogance. Odysseus demonstrates this when he is leaving the island of the Cyclopes. `Cyclopes, if ever mortal man inquire how you were put to shame and blinded, tell him Odysseus, raider of cities, took your eye: Laertes' son, whose home's on Ithaca!' If Odysseus would have kept his mouth shut he may have escaped Poseidon, and all of men wouldn't have been killed. It seems as if Odysseus must brag after doing anything notable. Pride is one of the main points that Homer is trying to teach through this epic poem. Odysseus pride led to his men's downfall, and also his. This epic poem has great examples of people having pride, and then being punished.
                        Odysseus' pride led to his men's downfall, and also his. Can I say this often enough?

                        Please.

                        LOL

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                          Instead of reading some internet analysis, I suggest you actually read the book (I have several times - its among my favorites).


                          While Odysseus does display pride at times, in the end, it is not his downfall because - well, because he "wins" in the end. Achilles, on the other hand, is a tragic hero who never makes it home.

                          Now, if you really want a good hubris story, read about Ajax (aka Aias) and his attempt to secure the honor of acquiring the armor of Achilles after his death.

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                            Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                            Actually, Odysseus is not really known for having a problem with hubris. Rather, it is Achilles, who sat out a portion of the Trojan War while sulking due to the slight of Agammemnon, that is commonly attributed with this trait.
                            Huh?


                            Odysseus's pride led him to make blind, rash decisions. Hubris, a Greek word, is the best way to describe Odysseus's pride. Hubris is a unique type of pride that is almost arrogance. Odysseus demonstrates this when he is leaving the island of the Cyclopes. `Cyclopes, if ever mortal man inquire how you were put to shame and blinded, tell him Odysseus, raider of cities, took your eye: Laertes' son, whose home's on Ithaca!' If Odysseus would have kept his mouth shut he may have escaped Poseidon, and all of men wouldn't have been killed. It seems as if Odysseus must brag after doing anything notable. Pride is one of the main points that Homer is trying to teach through this epic poem. Odysseus pride led to his men's downfall, and also his. This epic poem has great examples of people having pride, and then being punished.
                            Huh?

                            The greatest show on turf doesn't even make your list of one-man teams and other disappointments?
                            OK This I can respond to.
                            YOUOUTAYOURFRICKENMIND?

                            Sorry Avenger with all due respect I must disagree. Someplace inside I am sure you disagree with yourself as well.

                            Mike Martz is handed the best offense in league history and the number 4 defense from the1999 superbowl champion rams. Mike Martz was handed the team projected to win the Superbowl by Las Vegas odds makers. Mike Mart was handed 3 first round draft picks in a single draft. Mike Martz was handed all of this along with an unselfish Quarterback that led the way signing a cap friendly deal which others followed so he could keep the weapons he had at his disposal.

                            In 2000 the Rams had what E S P N has concluded to be the greatest offense in the history of the game. E S P N had this to say in their analysis. “The 2000 Saint Louis Rams were picked as the greatest offense in history because defenses knew what they were going to do. Defenses knew what was coming and they still could not stop the Rams.” Before you shun E S P N's opinion remember they are also the ones that picked the 85 Bears (you know the waste not returning to the superbowl?) as the Best defense in the history of the game.

                            Warner shared the stage with Trent Green due to injuries but in the 11 games he started, he helped the Rams set NFL records for passing yards and total yards.

                            Warner completed 235 of 346 passes for 3,429 yards with 21 touchdowns and 18 interceptions.

                            Warner led the NFL with a 67.7 completion percentage and an average gain of 9.88 yards per play.

                            Kurt Warner set the NFL record for most passing yards after two games with 827. Then again after three games with 1,221 Breaking Drew Bledsoe's record of 1,166.

                            Warner continued to light it up throwing for 1,557 yards after just four games once again setting an NFL record. After six games Warner had set another NFL record with 2,260 passing yards.

                            On September 4th Opening night of Monday Night Football Warner completed 25 of 35 passes and a new career high 441 yards with three touchdowns and three interceptions versus Denver. Warner's passing yards total was the third highest opening-game total in NFL history.

                            Warner then had his career high for completions and tied a Rams team record with 35 completions for 386 yards at Seattle on September 9th.

                            Kurt Warner became the first player in NFL history to record a perfect passer rating of 158.3 twice in his career.
                            In game 5 versus San Diego on October 1st. Warner completed 24 of 30 passes for 390 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions and earned the NFC offensive player of the week honors.

                            The Game versus San Diego was the first time in team history and only the third time in NFL history an NFL team had a 300-yard passer, a 100-yard rusher and three 100-yard receivers in the same game. Kurt Warner with 390 yards passing, Justin Watson had 102 yards on the ground, Isaac Bruce had 167 yards receiving, Marshall Faulk caught Warner passes for 116 yards and Az-Zahir Hakim added another 104 yards receiving. The Rams teamed up for a combined 614 yards. This was the second highest in team history.

                            On October 15th Warner tied another NFL record with six consecutive 300-yard passing games in game 6 versus Atlanta. Completing 24 of 40 passes for 313 yards with three touchdowns.

                            The first time in NFL history an NFL team had a 300-yard passer and a 200-yard rusher in the same game. Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk respectively.
                            Trent Green and Kurt Warner combined for over 5000 yards passing and 540 points.
                            The Rams scored over 500 points 3 straight years no other team has done it twice in their history never mind back to back to back.
                            Just how does one conclude that this era was not a waste? Are you kidding me?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cutting through the hype and anger. The Rams played well

                              I blame Martz for poorly coaching the 2001 Super Bowl and thereby failing to cap off what should have been a "Dream Season." The 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 campaigns have been beset by poor defense and injuries, as well as holes in the offensive line.

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                              • RamWraith
                                Carolina intercepts Rams' playoff bid
                                by RamWraith
                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                Sunday, Dec. 12 2004

                                CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Just when the Rams needed him most, Chris Chandler came up
                                with probably the worst performance in his 17 NFL seasons.

                                And no one felt worse than Chandler, who threw six - that's right, a half dozen
                                - interceptions in the Rams' 20-7 loss to Carolina.

                                "After everything I did good last week to help this team win (against San
                                Francisco), I can take all the blame for this loss," Chandler said.

                                When Carolina cornerback Ricky Manning Jr. gains more yards off Chandler passes
                                than Isaac Bruce, you know it's a long day. But that's exactly what happened
                                Sunday at Bank of America Stadium.

                                Manning, a Rams nemesis last season in the playoffs, picked off two Chandler
                                passes and returned them for 46 yards. Bruce had three catches for 27 yards.

                                "Chris made some real poor 'judgment throws' where the ball didn't come out
                                when it should," coach Mike Martz said. "On some of those things he was
                                throwing the ball too quickly instead of letting the guy get into the hole."

                                Martz theorized that some of that may have been because Chandler was reverting
                                to old habits from past teams. The Rams ask their quarterbacks to approach
                                things differently in terms of how they go through their reads.

                                "A little bit," Chandler said. "But it's not anything that's too different. I
                                had no answers. No excuses, either. It was just not good."

                                The Rams entered the game in first place in the NFC West, holding the No. 4
                                seed in the playoffs. But at 6-7, the Rams are now on the outside looking in.

                                Seattle (7-6) took over the division lead by winning in Minnesota. And Carolina
                                (6-7), with its fifth straight victory, now holds the sixth - and final -
                                playoff spot. (It has the tiebreaker edge over the Rams because it defeated the
                                Rams head to head.)

                                But all that was on anybody's minds early Sunday evening were interceptions,
                                not playoff scenarios. The six interceptions were a career high for the
                                39-year-old Chandler - his previous high was four against San Diego, way back
                                in 1990.

                                Chandler's interception total tied for the second most in Rams franchise
                                history, trailing the seven thrown by Bob Waterfield against Green Bay in 1958
                                and Parker Hall against Green Bay in 1942.

                                The tone was set on the Rams' opening possession. Facing a third and 3 on the
                                Carolina 27, Chandler was flushed out of the pocket, had Dane Looker open over
                                the middle for a first down, but overthrew him with Manning coming down with
                                the interception.

                                Two additional interceptions came on deflected...
                                -12-13-2004, 05:35 AM
                              • Nick
                                Words can't do justice to describe QB's ineptitude
                                by Nick
                                Words can't do justice to describe QB's ineptitude
                                By Bryan Burwell
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                Sunday, Dec. 19 2004

                                TEMPE, Ariz. - Before we get to the really heavy lifting in the wreckage of
                                this disastrous Rams season, let's shove some of the light debris out of the
                                way first.

                                Cut Chris Chandler right now.

                                Don't waste another day or another ounce of aggravation on someone who clearly
                                doesn't care enough about his job to prepare properly to help his team win. The
                                Rams' postseason hopes have all but disintegrated in the span of the two weeks,
                                and in the aftermath of another catastrophic defeat that has his fingerprints
                                all over it, Chandler is the easiest (though clearly not the only) culprit to
                                identify.

                                Somehow, after 17 years in the National Football League, the 39-year-old
                                Chandler has mysteriously forgotten how to play quarterback, as evidenced by
                                his pitiful display in Sunday's 31-7 loss to the Arizona Cardinals. One week
                                after playing one of the worst games I've ever seen a proven, veteran NFL
                                quarterback play (six interceptions and three sacks in a 20-7 loss to
                                Carolina), Chandler outdid himself against the Cardinals.

                                I cannot overstate how bad this guy stunk up half-empty Sun Devil Stadium. In
                                only one spectacularly abysmal quarter of play, Chandler completed one of six
                                passes for 1 lousy yard, was sacked twice, threw an interception and had a 0.0
                                passer rating. By the time Mike Martz yanked him at the end of the first
                                quarter, the Rams had already fallen behind 10-0 and had been outgained in
                                total offensive yards 108 to minus-20.

                                Here's how his day went out here in the Arizona desert, and too bad it wasn't a
                                mirage.

                                Three and out.

                                Three and out.

                                Interception.

                                Three and out.

                                Benched.

                                He was beyond bad. He was flat-out incompetent, and maybe worse than that.
                                Incompetence, as bad as it might be, is at least excusable. But indifference is
                                an unpardonable transgression. You expect a rookie to play incompetently. You
                                might even expect a free agent, walking in cold off the street, to be clueless.
                                But who could expect a 17-year veteran who has been to two Pro Bowls, won an
                                NFC championship and played in the scorching heat of a Super Bowl, to play
                                without a clue, and with so little passion?
                                Chandler was not only bad, he was calling passes when he was supposed to be
                                calling a running plays. He was throwing to the wrong receivers. He was
                                floating balls like they were filled with helium. And when he wasn't doing
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                                -12-20-2004, 12:17 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Words can't do justice to describe QB's ineptitude
                                by RamWraith
                                By Bryan Burwell
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                12/19/2004

                                Cut Chris Chandler right now.

                                Don't waste another day or another ounce of aggravation on someone who clearly doesn't care enough about his job to prepare properly to help his team win. The Rams' postseason hopes have all but disintegrated in the span of the two weeks, and in the aftermath of another catastrophic defeat that has his fingerprints all over it, Chandler is the easiest (though clearly not the only) culprit to identify.

                                Somehow, after 17 years in the National Football League, the 39-year-old Chandler has mysteriously forgotten how to play quarterback, as evidenced by his pitiful display in Sunday's 31-7 loss to the Arizona Cardinals. One week after playing one of the worst games I've ever seen a proven, veteran NFL quarterback play (six interceptions and three sacks in a 20-7 loss to Carolina), Chandler outdid himself against the Cardinals.

                                I cannot overstate how bad this guy stunk up half-empty Sun Devil Stadium. In only one spectacularly abysmal quarter of play, Chandler completed one of six passes for 1 lousy yard, was sacked twice, threw an interception and had a 0.0 passer rating. By the time Mike Martz yanked him at the end of the first quarter, the Rams had already fallen behind 10-0 and had been outgained in total offensive yards 108 to minus-20.

                                Here's how his day went out here in the Arizona desert, and too bad it wasn't a mirage.

                                Three and out.

                                Three and out.

                                Interception.

                                Three and out.

                                Benched.

                                He was beyond bad. He was flat-out incompetent, and maybe worse than that. Incompetence, as bad as it might be, is at least excusable. But indifference is an unpardonable transgression. You expect a rookie to play incompetently. You might even expect a free agent, walking in cold off the street, to be clueless. But who could expect a 17-year veteran who has been to two Pro Bowls, won an NFC championship and played in the scorching heat of a Super Bowl, to play without a clue, and with so little passion?

                                Chandler was not only bad, he was calling passes when he was supposed to be calling a running plays. He was throwing to the wrong receivers. He was floating balls like they were filled with helium. And when he wasn't doing that, he was showing all the mobility of an oak tree, feet deeply rooted in the ground and unable to move out of the way of the various blitzes the Cards were throwing at him.

                                How does this happen? Was Chandler so traumatized from last week's bad experience that he was paralyzed with fear this week? Was he sleeping in meetings and didn't know the game plan? Was the wireless microphone in his helmet picking up shortwave signals from Sri Lanka? Did his dog eat his playbook?

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                                -12-20-2004, 02:22 PM
                              • Nick
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                                By Jim Thomas
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                                Sunday, Dec. 05 2004

                                Chris Chandler has seen Marc Bulger go down - and go down hard - on more than
                                one occasion this season. But this time, Bulger was slumped over, holding his
                                shoulder.

                                "And then he started running off the field, waving," Chandler said.

                                Waving for Chandler to take over. Like clockwork, you can count on Chandler at
                                quarterback for the Rams once every 10 years. He played in 10 games for the Los
                                Angeles Rams in 1994. On Sunday he made his St. Louis Rams debut at quarterback
                                when Bulger went down with a sprained right shoulder late in the first quarter.

                                The Rams got just enough passing from Chandler, with plenty of runs sprinkled
                                in from rookie Steven Jackson, to sweep the season series from rival San
                                Francisco with a grinding 16-6 victory at the Edward Jones Dome.

                                There weren't many points, or style points, for that matter. The offensive
                                showing was a far cry from the "Greatest Show on Turf." Sunday's point total
                                was the lowest for the Rams in a victory since a 15-14 bloodletting over the
                                New York Giants in 2001.

                                Nonetheless, a victory it was, something the Rams had accomplished only once
                                since mid- October.

                                "There's winning and there's death," defensive lineman Tyoka Jackson said. "And
                                we won today. So come check with me next week."

                                The Rams have been doing a lot of "dying" lately, losing four of their previous
                                five games. But Sunday's victory evened their season record at 6-6, gave them a
                                5-0 mark in the NFC West and kept their sagging division and playoff hopes
                                alive.

                                "We needed it," safety Adam Archuleta said. "We needed a win. We needed the
                                defense to play well. We needed a confidence booster back there.

                                "We've got to get some momentum. We've got four more games. We're still there.
                                The season is far from over."

                                Chandler threw for 216 yards and a touchdown. Jackson, replacing the injured
                                Marshall Faulk, rushed for 119 yards. Wide receiver Torry Holt had a
                                season-high 10 receptions for a season-high 160 yards.

                                Holt scored the only touchdown of the game on a 22-yard reception from Chandler
                                with 9 minutes 29 seconds to play in the first half. Just two plays earlier,
                                Holt hauled in a grossly underthrown Chandler lob for 40 yards.

                                "On that deep ball, Torry's so fast," Chandler said. "You have to release it
                                and throw it far, early. When I was getting ready to throw it, he was only 15,
                                18 yards down field."

                                So Chandler kind of hesitated on his follow-through....
                                -12-05-2004, 10:34 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                If Chandler wins this one, we'll get off his back for good
                                by RamWraith
                                BY JEFF GORDON
                                Post-Dispatch Online Sports Columnist
                                Thursday, Dec. 09 2004

                                Rams coach Mike Martz knew this could happen. He knew he might need a capable
                                quarterback to step in for Marc Bulger at some point during the 2004 season.

                                After electing to move Kurt Warner down the trail, Martz zeroed in on veteran
                                Chris Chandler. Martz knew Chandler, respected his mental and physical
                                attributes and believed he could still play.

                                And here we are. Bulger is sidelined by a shoulder injury and Chandler will
                                lead the Rams into their critical battle at Carolina.

                                Martz believes Chandler will come through. Rams Nation hopes he is right,
                                because this team’s playoff hopes hang in the balance.

                                Mad Mike didn’t mist up when discussing the quarterback change, as Dick Vermeil
                                would have. Rather, Martz got feisty.

                                STLtoday.com readers probably remember that your cyber-correspondent viewed
                                Chandler’s ascension with some dread, given all those miles on Chris’ odometer.
                                After Sunday’s 16-6 “victory” over the San Francisco *****, I expressed some of
                                that dread on this web site.

                                Martz responded with some salvoes of his own during Wednesday’s news conference.

                                “When we signed him, he’s not 500 years old, he’s 38,” Mad Mike said.

                                (Actually, we described him as the “900-year-old Chandler,” but the coach’s
                                point is well taken. Even after his Oct. 12 birthday, our exaggeration is a
                                whopping 861 years.)

                                “It doesn’t matter how old he is, he can play,” Martz continued. “He has
                                terrific legs. He’s in there on the treadmill for 35 minutes on (level) nine. I
                                don’t know if any of you can do that, and I know I can’t.”

                                (Got me there. What’s the word our 1380 ESPN fitness editor used to describe
                                me? “Deconditioned”? That’s a polite euphemism for “lard bottom”. Chris would
                                dust me on the treadmill.)

                                “I think that, and the fact that his arm strength hasn’t been diminished at
                                all,” Martz said, continuing his roll. “He’s still on top of his game, in terms
                                of seeing things and accuracy. All of those things, physically, would lend
                                itself to believe that he still has a lot of football left in him. Otherwise,
                                we would have never signed him to a two-year deal.”

                                Martz’s move appeared prescient during the preseason, when Chandler starred. He
                                completed 29 of 44 passes for 472 yards (fifth-most in exhibition play) and two
                                touchdowns.

                                Chandler threw a pretty touchdown pass to Torry Holt in Sunday’s victory,
                                scraping off some rust to earn the “W” in relief. So Martz isn’t worried about
                                throwing him into such a high-pressure situation Sunday.

                                “He’s been through all of the playoffs,” the coach...
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