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  • #1

    Why Martin?

    I can imagine how that phone conversation went a few days ago.

    Martz: Hey Jamie, havne't seen ya in awhile. A couple guys are getting together to play a little football this weekend. You should join us, if not it's no big deal.

    Jamie: Duuuuu...ok!

    Why not Smoker? I don't understand.
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  • #2
    Re: Why Martin?

    NOW Zig you hit the funny bone.

    I been asking myself the same question for 2 days. I sure hope the answer is something like...

    ..."I didn't want to see a young quarterback taking the abuse that has plagued us all year".

    OR

    ..."Putting Jeff in at this point would be too much pressure for fragile young talent".

    Either way, I really don't get it either.

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    • #3
      Re: Why Martin?

      Is Smoker going to be another Kirk Farmer or Joe Germaine? I really don't know much about the guy other than the fact that he's a potential-guy. Not as remote of a shot as say...Drew Hensen (8 college games started!!!) but I think he's just wishful thinking by the Rams management. If he's not good enough to put in against Arizona over Chandler and a guy off the streets then I don't know why he's even around. Practice squad/camp arms aren't that hard to come by are they? Hell, I'll do it for 3 hots and a cot.

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      • #4
        Re: Why Martin?

        Maybe Martin had a better grip of the offense than Smoker does at this point? While Martin was a street free agent, let's not forget he was with this team for a while before hand. Maybe Smoker just isn't catching on as quickly as we expect him to. It's hard to say.

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        • #5
          Re: Why Martin?

          with a chance for playoffs, maybe putting in a rookie was a bad idea, he thinks. But in hindsight, I think it would be good for him to sample the pressure for a game or 2, I mean come on, even if we were headind fore the playoffs, IMHO we aint bowl material, would a done the boy good.
          The Breakfast Club. You want cheese with that?

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          • #6
            Re: Why Martin?

            Could it simply be that Martz is an ass?

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            • #7
              Re: Why Martin?

              Originally posted by Paulxxx
              Could it simply be that Martz is an ass?
              YES.................................

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              • #8
                Re: Why Martin?

                Originally posted by Paulxxx
                Could it simply be that Martz is an ass?
                Martz is not an ass, he's just in over his head and nobody that can want's to do anything about it.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why Martin?

                  I grew up near and played in the same High School league as Jeff Smoker. He's a good kid and although he had that small problem at MSU, he really came through when given that second chance.
                  I myself have been wondering why Smoker didn't get his shot to play, especially when he was listed as the #2 on the depth chart this week. He worked some magic at MSU in some comebacks. I thought the guy at least deserved a shot to play.
                  Anyway...i think you at least have a good #2 for the future in Smoker. I like his potential.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why Martin?

                    Originally posted by JTrotterFan
                    I grew up near and played in the same High School league as Jeff Smoker. He's a good kid and although he had that small problem at MSU, he really came through when given that second chance.
                    I myself have been wondering why Smoker didn't get his shot to play, especially when he was listed as the #2 on the depth chart this week. He worked some magic at MSU in some comebacks. I thought the guy at least deserved a shot to play.
                    Anyway...i think you at least have a good #2 for the future in Smoker. I like his potential.
                    Agreed. He will be a good #2, maybe even starter within another 3 or 4 years. I don't know that I would read a lot into this. If I may speculate a little, this sounds like a situation where Martz said, at the beginning of the year, that Smoker holds a clipboard this season unless there's an emergency (ie. every QB on the roster and Faulk get injured in the same game). Martin is probably the result of Martz holding to his original decree. I'm just hypothesizing here, but it does sound like something he'd do. Smoker was the first QB (to be used as QB) that Martz has drafted, maybe he wants to "redshirt" him for his rookie season, give him time.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why Martin?

                      I don't get this question?

                      Martin played well when he came in. It was like instantly the Rams were moving the ball, compared to Chandler....

                      Smoker is a rookie. When Martz picked up Martin he said he didn't think he was ready to put Smoker in a real game just yet.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why Martin?

                        Maybe we're selling Martz short. Maybe he DOES learn. Maybe Smoker is SO GOOD that if Martz put him in, and Smoker did well, Martz would have to keep his starter benched the rest of the year, and kick him to the curb next year! Maybe Martz didn't want to do that again.. :smug:

                        LOL

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why Martin?

                          My question relates more to Martz than Smoker at this point. If the offense is so complex that a successful college qb can't come in and learn it enough by week 13 to play in case of emergency(which is exactly where the Rams were. Starting qb out with injury, backup qb a total mess for uncomfirmed reasons. If you lose your first 2 qb's then it's emergency time.)

                          Actually, the fact that Chandler apparently couldn't learn the offense either just accentuates my question. If a 15 year vet, nor the rookie are able to pick up the offense after a full training camp and 13 regular season games then something is wrong.

                          My dream replacement at this point is Al Saunders. If the Rams ran the same offense as KC is running now...hoo-boy! They have Priest and Johnson, we have Faulk and Jackson. They have Green we have Bulger. They have Gonzo, we have...okay, forget that comparison. They're line is probably better than ours but I'm holding out judgement until I get to see our guys run a solid gameplan from training camp. But, the coups de gras, we have Holt, Bruce, McDonald, etc., they have Kennison(!) and Morton. Our wr's are so far and away better than KC's that the Rams would put up 500 points without any sweat.

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                            According to this mornings post dispatch, the rams have made an offer to jamie martin. If martin signs, it would seem to preclude the drafting of a qb, unless we intended to stash someone on IR all year.

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                            Of the Post-Dispatch
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                            Veteran quarterback Jamie Martin is returning to the Rams for another season.

                            Martin and the Rams agreed to terms on a one-year contract Wednesday. Martin will receive a base salary of $765,000, plus a small signing bonus.

                            “He’s looking forward to coming back,” said Martin’s agent, Tom Mills. “He would have entertained a conversation with another team, but he lives in St. Louis. He’s had to uproot his family several times during his career, and wasn’t looking forward to doing it again.”

                            Martin, 35, will compete with Jeff Smoker for the No. 2 quarterback job behind starter Marc Bulger.

                            The Rams also have Russ Michna on their current roster. If nothing else, Martin represents a security blanket for coach Mike Martz. Martin knows the offense, knows Martz, and is comfortable working in a backup role.

                            Martin was signed by the Rams last Dec. 7 after Bulger was sidelined with a shoulder injury.

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                            Another serviceable game from martin. Great great thrown on the bomb to curtis. Dont know what happened on the int to looker, he was open cant tell if it was the throw or looker. The int in the end zone was a fantastic play by the db.

                            As backups go, he isnt so bad. I think the expectations on this board for backups in the cap era are often misplaced. How did garcia look today as a backup to the lions fans?

                            Here is what i know about martin. 2-0.

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                            -10-30-2005, 03:01 PM
                          • RamWraith
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                            by RamWraith
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                            Tuesday, Dec. 07 2004

                            Try as they might, the Rams simply can't get rid of Jamie Martin.

                            "I'm not giving you a quote on that," Martin said Tuesday, smiling.

                            Since being signed by the Los Angeles Rams as an undrafted rookie out of Weber
                            State in 1993, Martin has been released by the franchise four times.

                            He was with the club for most of the period from 1993 through 1996, appearing
                            in only six regular-season games - all in '96 - and throwing only 34 passes.
                            That included being cut twice in 1994. He also was cut after the 1997
                            preseason, losing out in the battle for a backup job.

                            He returned to the Rams in 2001 and 2002, appearing in five games for the Rams
                            in '02, including two starts, throwing 195 passes.

                            And now he returns. With Marc Bulger nursing a shoulder injury, and the Rams
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                            signed as quarterback insurance for Chris Chandler.

                            Martin, 34, hasn't been on an NFL roster since October 2003 with the New York
                            Jets. He hasn't thrown a regular-season pass since the '02 season finale with
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                            be next up. Provided, that is, he can get sufficiently re-immersed in the St.
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                            "We'll see how it goes this week," Martin said. "Mentally, I went over the
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                            "It's kind of like translating everything back into this language. But we'll
                            see how it goes in practice and the meetings and everything. I think a few days
                            would be good enough."

                            Martin has continued to live in St. Louis even after his release by the club
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                            "When I left the Rams the last time, we decided to stay in St. Louis until I
                            was done playing officially," Martin said. "Even though I went to New York last
                            year, we kept our place here. My son Jack started school here, kindergarten in
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                            Martin and his wife, Kelly, basically had decided that if he couldn't get back
                            into the NFL this season, he would retire. As each week went by and Martin's
                            phone didn't ring, it looked as if it was time for life after football.

                            Then Bulger went down with a bone bruise in his throwing shoulder against San
                            Francisco, and the Rams called Monday.

                            "How this changes anything, I don't know," Martin said. "It probably doesn't
                            change much. We'll probably...
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