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    What does anyone know/think about Chris Mortenson's story re Turley & Martz's confrontation earlier this week??? Along with the letter from Georgia to everyone? Very strange things happening out in Rams Park.....

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    Re: Mort's comments

    For those that didn't hear... a summary please?


    • #3
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      In a nutshell, Martz was asked about Turley's whereabouts. Said he hasn't been in contact w/him & didn't know. Turley apparently had been keeping tabs with the FO. Went to Martz' office to clarify items & it irrupted. Martz had to call security to take Kyle away. Also said Turley physically threatened him.
      'Letter' wise, Georgia re-affirmed Martz would be back (guess that's ultimately her call) next year. Asked if she could do anything to help & the letter to every player stating that point was the result


      • #4
        Re: Mort's comments

        Shoot, we can fix that.
        Last edited by txramsfan; -12-28-2004, 08:33 AM.


        • #5
          Re: Mort's comments

          what was edited?

          Anyway, on NFL live they were saying that Martz has lost it, and that he asked Georgia to write the letter so the team would know his job is not on the line...

          Also, they were bagging on Martz for pointing to Mort's comments about his job security as a reason for losing the Cards' game.

          Turley probably didn't do anything and Martz just got freaked out when he raised his voice or something. - Martz has some serious paranoia, and if I were the front office I would have him get some therapy.... the thing about the guy who used to be a scout for the dolphins or whatever...these things aren't normal.

          I am getting tired of him being the laughing stock of the NFL.


          • #6
            Re: Mort's comments

            Originally posted by sbramfan
            I am getting tired of him being the laughing stock of the NFL.
            you may be tired of it, but it is apparent that the Rams organization isn't tired of it.

            either that or they are all deaf and can't hear the comments or they are blind and can't read them, or both.


            • #7
              Re: Mort's comments

              Originally posted by lakerams
              either that or they are all deaf and can't hear the comments or they are blind and can't read them, or both.
              I think I remember Martz saying he doesn't even expose himself to the media in order to listen to their comments. Thought I read that somewhere.


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              • Nick
                Martz opens up on his conflict with Turley
                by Nick
                Martz opens up on his conflict with Turley
                By Jim Thomas
                Of the Post-Dispatch

                The rift hasn't exactly been a well-kept secret, which probably explains why Rams coach Mike Martz decided Tuesday evening to discuss his spat with offensive tackle Kyle Turley.

                Turley visited Martz in the coach's Rams Park office on Dec. 13 in a meeting that eventually degenerated into Turley yelling obscenities at Martz. Things got so loud that employees on that side of the second floor of the complex could hear Turley yelling.

                "Kyle came in to see me because he was concerned about the comments I made," Martz told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday.

                What comments? Well, the previous week, when asked by a reporter about Turley's status for the 2004 season, Martz replied icily: "I have no idea where he is. I have no idea if he wants to play, or can play. ... I have not seen him."

                Turley didn't like those comments, and that led to the boisterous meeting at Rams Park.

                "He felt offended," Martz said. "He was agitated and offended by them (at the meeting). I wasn't shouting at him. But he was animated. Players get like that. Kyle's a very emotional guy. He wears his emotions on his sleeves. But by the end of the discussion, it was resolved. It was resolved and we move on."

                It may be resolved, but Martz did file a complaint with NFL security that Turley threatened him. Because of that, Turley could be subject to a fine.

                The root of the ill will?

                Turley was angry because he felt he was rushed into action during training camp after having offseason back surgery. Martz claims the doctors cleared Turley to practice, so he practiced. Turley aggravated the back injury early in camp and ended up on the injured reserve list.

                In turn, Martz was upset at Turley because Turley initially didn't return several phone messages from Martz, who was seeking to check on Turley and his status last August.

                Despite all that, Martz said he wants Turley on the team next season, back injury permitting.

                "I'd like to have him back if he can play," Martz said.
                -12-29-2004, 03:24 PM
              • RamWraith
                Turley still takes issue with Martz
                by RamWraith
                By Jim Thomas
                Of the Post-Dispatch
                Thursday, Jan. 27 2005

                Offensive tackle Kyle Turley continues to fire salvos at Rams coach Mike Martz.

                Martz could not be reached for comment Thursday following Turley's latest shots
                and has declined to comment on the subject since the end of the season.
                Martz's last comments on Turley were made near the end of the regular season.
                Martz said he thought the issue was resolved and that if Turley is healthy,
                Martz wanted him to return next season.
                Martz considered fining Turley for insubordination following their mid-December
                blowup, but decided against it. At that time, team president John Shaw said he
                considered the matter closed.
                But Turley leveled blasts at Martz last week on ESPN radio, and Wednesday night
                on the ESPN cable television network. Turley was asked in the TV interview
                where he would rank Martz among the 32 NFL head coaches. Turley replied: "Ah,
                man, are they going to have an expansion team? I put him down at 33."
                Given the tone and content of Turley's recent remarks, it's difficult to
                imagine him returning to the team, healthy or not. But because of salary cap
                issues, the Rams wouldn't do anything until June 2 or later.
                Turley still has four years left on the six-year contract renegotiation he
                signed with the team when he was traded to St. Louis from New Orleans in March
                of 2003.
                If the Rams release Turley before June 2, they would be stuck with $7.29
                million of dead money on this year's cap. Such a cap hit in '05 would make it
                nearly impossible for the team to sign free agents.
                However, if the team waited until June 2 or later to release Turley, only
                one-fourth of that $7.29 million would count against the '05 cap - or about
                $1.82 million. The rest of the amount, $5.47 million, would count against the
                '06 cap.
                Trading Turley wouldn't help, because no matter when a trade is made, all
                unamortized signing bonus money goes into that year's cap, so the entire $7.29
                million would count against this year's cap.
                -01-28-2005, 05:47 AM
              • thoey
                Turley and Martz Confrontation
                by thoey
                NFL security has questioned Rams coach Mike Martz and offensive tackle Kyle Turley over an incident where Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz, ESPN's Chris Mortensen has learned.

                Tuesday, December 28, 2004

       news services
                NFL security has questioned Rams coach Mike Martz and offensive tackle Kyle Turley over an incident where Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz, ESPN's Chris Mortensen has learned.

                Martz and Turley allegedly engaged in a shouting match which resulted in Martz filing a report with NFL Security regarding the death threat, Mortensen is reporting.

                The argument began when Turley heard that Martz questioned the tackle's dedication to rehabbing his injured back and decided to confront the coach, Mortensen reports. Turley is on injured reserve after re-injuring his surgically repaired back early in training camp.

                For his part, Turley denies having threatened Martz. And on Tuesday evening, Martz issued a written statement through his agent, Frank Bauer, denying the report of a confrontation with Turley. "This story is absurd. It is offensive to Kyle Turley and Mike Martz. There is no truth to this story."

                Despite missing the entire season with back woes, Turley has said he wants to return for the 2005 season. The seven-year veteran, who has ruled out a second surgery to correct his back problem, has no plans for now of retiring.

                "Wanting to play has never been an issue," Turley said earlier this month. "I've given everything to this sport and dedicated myself to this, I think, as much, or in some cases more so, than most people. That's been the goal from Day One, to get back. To get back on the field."

                From the time his back began to flare up again early in training camp this summer, Turley insisted he would retire rather than face another surgery. He said doctors have apprised him that, with proper posture, increased core strength and additional flexibility, his back in time will compensate for the disc problem.

                How long that process will take, however, is not certain. Turley's goal is to be in camp but that aim might not be a realistic one.

                "But if it takes [until] the middle of next season, then so be it," he said. "Or if it takes even the year after that, I'm going to make it back. I'm 29 years old. There's time. I'm going to make it back and play in the league."

                Information from's Len Pasquarelli was used in this report
                -12-28-2004, 09:23 PM
              • Nick
                Turley takes a parting shot at Martz
                by Nick
                Getting defensive
                Turley wants to bring his intensity to DE position
                Posted: Friday June 10, 2005 1:25PM;
                Updated: Friday June 10, 2005 3:29PM

                He was on his way to a gig, getting jacked up for a couple hours of shirtless skins-slapping -- and when you are the drummer for a band named Perpetual Death Mode, your biceps had best be prepared to do some serious throbbing.

                "Oh, I'm gonna pound those things," Kyle Turley said in his typical, subtlety-deprived tone. "Our music is super heavy, super hard and super fast. It's bad-ass, man. And yeah, I've gotta take the shirt off, so I can show off my f---- abs."

                Turley has been part of this death-metal-thrash quartet for several weeks now, and in case you're working up the courage to tell this long-haired, heavily tattooed rhythm-keeper to keep his day job, don't bother: Turley officially lost it on Monday, when the St. Louis Rams waived the former All-Pro tackle after he failed a physical.

                Still ailing from the serious back injury that kept him out for all of the 2004 season, the 6-foot-5 Turley at one point shrunk down to 235 pounds during rehab, a process he says is still three to six months away from completion. He has since bulked up to 260 ("I've put on 30 pounds of solid muscle," he said) -- 50 pounds short of his listed weight going into '04, but buff enough to allow him to switch to defensive end, which would be quite a dramatic move for the soon-to-be-30-year-old.

                "With my intensity and athletic ability, I think that would be a natural switch," Turley said in a phone interview on Thursday night. "I'm just as fast as almost all those [defensive ends] out there, and as athletic, or more, than half of them. And my tenacity supersedes all of that. There are a lot of guys at that position who have gotten paid that are a bunch of slaps, and I know I could do better than them."

                If Turley seems a tad disdainful of his would-be peers, some back story is in order. As part of a 2003 Sports Illustrated package on offensive linemen -- for which he was the cover subject -- Turley told Josh Elliott he regarded his defensive-line counterparts as unintelligent drones, referring to them as "geraniums."

                Now that he's intent on a switch, Turley is all about flower power.

                "Because I played offensive line, I think that gives me an insider's advantage," he explained. "Believe me, I know what's happening on the other side of the football, and that should allow me to read and react in a way that the typical defensive lineman can't. I know what I would bring to that position, and a lot of coaches know, too."

                What Turley would bring, first and foremost, is attitude -- which is why, despite his physical issues and purported baggage, I expect some NFL team to give him a chance. This is likely...
                -06-10-2005, 03:29 PM
              • Nick
                PFT: Martz and Turley at odds over injury
                by Nick
                Take it for what it's worth. These guys aren't known to be exceptionally reliable but news is news, I guess....
                -08-03-2004, 09:34 PM