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    Tuesday, December 28, 2004 news services
    NFL security has questioned Rams coach Mike Martz and offensive tackle Kyle Turley over an incident where Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz, ESPN's Chris Mortensen has learned.

    Martz and Turley allegedly engaged in a shouting match which resulted in Martz filing a report with NFL Security regarding the death threat, Mortensen is reporting.

    The argument began when Turley heard that Martz questioned the tackle's dedication to rehabbing his injured back and decided to confront the coach, Mortensen reports. Turley is on injured reserve after re-injuring his surgically repaired back early in training camp.

    For his part, Turley denies having threatened Martz. And on Tuesday evening, Martz issued a written statement through his agent, Frank Bauer, denying the report of a confrontation with Turley. "This story is absurd. It is offensive to Kyle Turley and Mike Martz. There is no truth to this story."

    Despite missing the entire season with back woes, Turley has said he wants to return for the 2005 season. The seven-year veteran, who has ruled out a second surgery to correct his back problem, has no plans for now of retiring.

    "Wanting to play has never been an issue," Turley said earlier this month. "I've given everything to this sport and dedicated myself to this, I think, as much, or in some cases more so, than most people. That's been the goal from Day One, to get back. To get back on the field."

    From the time his back began to flare up again early in training camp this summer, Turley insisted he would retire rather than face another surgery. He said doctors have apprised him that, with proper posture, increased core strength and additional flexibility, his back in time will compensate for the disc problem.

    How long that process will take, however, is not certain. Turley's goal is to be in camp but that aim might not be a realistic one.

    "But if it takes [until] the middle of next season, then so be it," he said. "Or if it takes even the year after that, I'm going to make it back. I'm 29 years old. There's time. I'm going to make it back and play in the league."

    Information from's Len Pasquarelli was used in this report
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    Re: Turley and Martz Confrontation

    so forget Turley for next year


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    • Nick
      Martz opens up on his conflict with Turley
      by Nick
      Martz opens up on his conflict with Turley
      By Jim Thomas
      Of the Post-Dispatch

      The rift hasn't exactly been a well-kept secret, which probably explains why Rams coach Mike Martz decided Tuesday evening to discuss his spat with offensive tackle Kyle Turley.

      Turley visited Martz in the coach's Rams Park office on Dec. 13 in a meeting that eventually degenerated into Turley yelling obscenities at Martz. Things got so loud that employees on that side of the second floor of the complex could hear Turley yelling.

      "Kyle came in to see me because he was concerned about the comments I made," Martz told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday.

      What comments? Well, the previous week, when asked by a reporter about Turley's status for the 2004 season, Martz replied icily: "I have no idea where he is. I have no idea if he wants to play, or can play. ... I have not seen him."

      Turley didn't like those comments, and that led to the boisterous meeting at Rams Park.

      "He felt offended," Martz said. "He was agitated and offended by them (at the meeting). I wasn't shouting at him. But he was animated. Players get like that. Kyle's a very emotional guy. He wears his emotions on his sleeves. But by the end of the discussion, it was resolved. It was resolved and we move on."

      It may be resolved, but Martz did file a complaint with NFL security that Turley threatened him. Because of that, Turley could be subject to a fine.

      The root of the ill will?

      Turley was angry because he felt he was rushed into action during training camp after having offseason back surgery. Martz claims the doctors cleared Turley to practice, so he practiced. Turley aggravated the back injury early in camp and ended up on the injured reserve list.

      In turn, Martz was upset at Turley because Turley initially didn't return several phone messages from Martz, who was seeking to check on Turley and his status last August.

      Despite all that, Martz said he wants Turley on the team next season, back injury permitting.

      "I'd like to have him back if he can play," Martz said.
      -12-29-2004, 02:24 PM
    • Nick
      PFT: Martz and Turley at odds over injury
      by Nick
      Take it for what it's worth. These guys aren't known to be exceptionally reliable but news is news, I guess....
      -08-03-2004, 08:34 PM
    • Nick
      Turley wants to play defense
      by Nick
      Offensive lineman asks Rams to switch him to defense
      By Brent Schrotenboer

      April 2, 2005

      St. Louis Rams offensive tackle Kyle Turley is planning a switch to defensive end this year a position he hasn't played since high school as long he can pass a physical exam and resume working relations with a head coach he won't forgive.

      Turley, a former standout at San Diego State, wants to switch to defensive end to relieve pressure on his back, a subject of controversy and much physical stress for Turley since December. Turley suffered from a herniated disc in preseason training camp and missed the entire 2004 season.

      "I need to play a position where I have more freedom to move around and get out of problem situations," Turley said yesterday by phone. "My back was injured on pass plays (on offense)."

      Turley said Rams General Manager Charlie Armey and operations chief Jay Zygmunt have given him the "we'll see" answer to his switch request. A call to the Rams office seeking comment was not immediately returned last night.

      In the last three months, Turley's weight dipped to 235 for the first time since his freshman year at SDSU. After working out in Tempe, Ariz., he has it back up to 260 with a target of 275. He was once up to 309.

      As a result, he said, he's going to be faster than ever and is feeling great about extending his career. A bigger question might be how he'll be received by head coach Mike Martz if he does. In December, Turley got into a shouting match with Martz after Turley said Martz questioned the seriousness of Turley's injury. Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz a charge Turley denies.

      "There's definitely hard feelings," Turley said. "As far as I'm concerned, I don't have to forgive anybody. The things he said to me, I don't plan on forgetting."

      Turley said that from now on his relationship with Martz wil be: "He stays away from me, and I stay away from him."

      According to Turley, Martz said that Turley came to St. Louis "to take the money and run." Turley, 29, signed a six-year, $26.5 million contract after joining the Rams in 2003.

      "How do you say that to a guy who hasn't missed a down or a practice in six years and faces a serious, career-ending injury?" Turley asked.

      Turley, a former first-round draft pick in 1998, also said he's ditched many diet supplements in his quest to regain his health and weight. Instead of multivitamins, for example, he's sticking to a strict diet and nutritional shakes. His body fat rate is down from 10 percent to 8 percent.

      Turley had surgery on his back in March 2004 but didn't want to have more surgery last fall that could have further jeopardized his career.
      -04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
    • RamWraith
      Martz speaks to ESPN on Turley
      by RamWraith
      Coach Mike Martz told ESPN's Ed Werder on Monday night that if Turley needs to undergo a second disc surgery, he feared Turley might be lost for the entire season.

      Turley himself has expressed concern that another surgery might end his entire career.

      "It was a threat to my career last year," Turley said at the time of the injury in August. "For it to have possibly reoccurred is definitely a bigger threat."

      In March, Turley had surgery to repair the same disc.

      Turley, who has not practiced since Aug. 1, has seen a series of back specialists this summer. In the interim, the Rams have been treating the injury with anti-inflammatory drugs.

      Last year was Turley's first with the Rams and he started all 16 games. But he was bothered much of the year by pain in his hip that turned out to be a herniated disc.

      Turley said after he reinjured his back that he may have tried to do too much at the start of camp.

      "I think in general, being out here too early and going too hard too soon hurt me," Turley said. "A couple of plays in particular, you just get put in a bad position. It can happen to anybody at anytime, but I think I'm a little more vulnerable to it."
      -08-24-2004, 07:26 AM
    • RamWraith
      Can this marriage be saved?
      by RamWraith
      By Bill Coats
      Of the Post-Dispatch
      Wednesday, Jun. 01 2005

      Call him irrationally stubborn. Call him sadly delusional. Or call him
      cunningly shrewd as he attempts to position himself for future work in the NFL.

      Whatever the proper label, offensive tackle Kyle Turley wavers only slightly in
      his belief that his days with the Rams are not about to end. "Stranger things
      have happened, so I'm not going to rule it out," he said. "But I don't
      anticipate that happening."

      Realistically, Turley appears to be on the verge of becoming an ex-Ram -
      perhaps as early as today. June 2 is the first day that NFL teams can release
      players and spread the effect on the salary cap over two years rather than one.
      A year ago today, the Rams cut quarterback Kurt Warner, their Super Bowl MVP in

      Although he reports that the recovery from the back injury that sidelined him
      for the 2004 season "is going really well," Turley figures to be the headliner
      on this year's hit list. "If they do release me, then they'd be making a big
      mistake at this point," said Turley, 28. "The back's feeling really good. The
      biggest problem right now is the ... severe atrophy of my right leg muscles
      that I've been struggling to recover from.

      "That's a rigorous and long process, but it's coming back slowly but surely."

      Still, the team appears to have little use for Turley, especially considering
      the heft of his contract: He signed a six-year, $26.5 million deal after the
      Rams acquired him from New Orleans in March 2003 for their second-round draft
      pick in '04. Had Turley been released before today, the team would have
      suffered a $7.29 million salary cap hit this year. Now, only $1.82 million
      would count against the '05 cap, with the remaining $5.47 million applied next

      Coach Mike Martz declined on Wednesday to discuss Turley's status, and attempts
      to reach Jay Zygmunt, the Rams' president of football operations, were

      Turley's agent, Tom Condon, did not return a phone message.

      Orlando Pace, finally locked up in a long-term deal, is one of the league's
      premier left tackles. The Rams took Florida State's Alex Barron in the first
      round of the draft, and Martz installed him as the No. 1 right tackle - the job
      that Turley held during the 2003 season.

      Grant Williams, Blaine Saipaia and Scott Tercero also have started at tackle.
      So, depth shouldn't be a major issue.

      Turley came to St. Louis after five seasons with the Saints. A first-round
      draft pick (seventh overall) out of San Diego State in 1998, Turley was a
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      -06-02-2005, 04:23 AM