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  • gap
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    Originally posted by MoonJoe View Post
    Home is where we choose it to be as individuals and I think the same applies for an organization. Presently the Los Angeles Rams are promoting their return with the slogan "Welcome Home Rams". Ergo, by their account, they are returning home. The argument of whether Cleveland, LA, Anaheim, St. Louis or LA again is their truehome dose t matter. They have made it clear they are returning home.
    This I don't disagree with. When they move their headquarters to LA, that will be their home.


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  • MoonJoe
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    Home is where we choose it to be as individuals and I think the same applies for an organization. Presently the Los Angeles Rams are promoting their return with the slogan "Welcome Home Rams". Ergo, by their account, they are returning home. The argument of whether Cleveland, LA, Anaheim, St. Louis or LA again is their true home doesn't matter. They have made it clear they are returning home.
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  • gap
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    Originally posted by Mikey View Post
    It's funny how a couple people come into these threads already with their panties in a bunch getting ready to jump on their soap box and yell Cleveland! They know they aren't going to like the article but they come into the thread anyways just so they can act like children. I love the argument, if we follow it to its natural conclusion the NFL would be 14 teams all in Cleveland and Chicago.
    I guess you are reading this with a certain filter that distorts truth.

    I pointed out a falsehood in the article, and then people "act like children" "with their panties in a bunch getting ready to jump on their soap box and yell" LA!

    I am not the one that came in here all butt hurt because someone pointed out the truth that I didn't like. Unlike a certain segment of our society that wants to bury the truth, or completely ignore it because they don't want to hear it, I am willing to read something to become informed. If it is truth that I don't like, I keep going. If it is a falsehood, I will point it out. Notice I only pointed out the roots fiction, and I didn't try to explain away or destroy the rest of the article.


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  • Mikey
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    Originally posted by BIG-BLUE View Post
    You guys crack me up with this Cleveland crap. Cleveland is their birthplace, where they originated from, not their home. They left Cleveland and nobody even fought for them. Home is where they were raised, where their roots run the deepest and rose to fame. So you are telling us the Dodgers home is Brooklyn, The S.F Giants home is NY, The A's is Philly, The Orioles is St. Louis, etc etc etc. Give it it up. It's old,
    it's tiring & do you think anyone in Cleveland cared when they moved or cares now that they have been gone 70 years.
    Brian
    It's funny how a couple people come into these threads already with their panties in a bunch getting ready to jump on their soap box and yell Cleveland! They know they aren't going to like the article but they come into the thread anyways just so they can act like children. I love the argument, if we follow it to its natural conclusion the NFL would be 14 teams all in Cleveland and Chicago.

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  • cowboyhater
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    Bearing in mind that the Rams spent 10 years in Cleveland, 49 years in LA and 20 years in St. Louis, I would venture to guess that most Rams fans, unless they are younger than 20 years of age or older than 80 would consider them as having their roots in LA.

    And when are the Cardinals going to reclaim their roots and go back to being the Racine Street Cardinals?(Racine Street is south side Chicago)
    While we are at it. The Bears ought to go back to their roots in Decatur, Illinois.

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  • gap
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    Originally posted by Yodude View Post
    Uninformed has nothing to do with it. I wasn't saying no one knows they are from Cleveland so it doesn't count. Most people who follow the Rams know they originated in Cleveland. I'm saying no one cares. 50 of the first 60 years of their history was spent in LA, so most fans would agree that their roots are more in LA than anywhere else. With the possible exception of a handful of 90+ year old fans that would actually remember them playing in Cleveland.

    If your going to reference another post and comment on it at least make some sense.
    Just because I don't agree with your extremely LA biased opinions, based on false truth, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. You're just trying justify your belief in a false truth by saying the LA opinion is the only one that counts.

    The RAMS roots are in Cleveland, no matter how you slice it, and everywhere else is a branch.

    Now, if you really want to press the matter, the RAMS roots are in the Cincinnati Reds. It was their charter that was sold to St. Louis. They played three games in 1934 as the Gunners, but then the Gunners would not be invited to remain in the NFL, and returned to the independent circuit. The Cleveland RAMS assumed the vacated spot in 1937 when most AFL teams were folding due to effects of the depression.

    As far as the Pro football RAMS name goes, the roots are in the Cleveland RAMS that started as an AFL team in 1936.


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  • Yodude
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    Originally posted by gap View Post
    Being uninformed doesn't make you right.


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    Uninformed has nothing to do with it. I wasn't saying no one knows they are from Cleveland so it doesn't count. Most people who follow the Rams know they originated in Cleveland. I'm saying no one cares. 50 of the first 60 years of their history was spent in LA, so most fans would agree that their roots are more in LA than anywhere else. With the possible exception of a handful of 90+ year old fans that would actually remember them playing in Cleveland.

    If your going to reference another post and comment on it at least make some sense.

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  • BIG-BLUE
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    Who said anything about degrading St. Louis fans?
    Looks like you just want to sling mud at whoever doesn't agree with you.
    If that's what you need to do, go ahead if it makes you feel better about yourself.
    Just pointing out the Cleveland stuff is an old & tired act.
    By the way I loved my time in St. Louis & was well received by the local fans.
    And yes I know they were the Browns.
    As I also know the Rams are home.
    Brian

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  • gap
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    Originally posted by BIG-BLUE View Post
    You guys crack me up with this Cleveland crap. Cleveland is their birthplace, where they originated from, not their home. They left Cleveland and nobody even fought for them. Home is where they were raised, where their roots run the deepest and rose to fame. So you are telling us the Dodgers home is Brooklyn, The S.F Giants home is NY, The A's is Philly, The Orioles is St. Louis, etc etc etc. Give it it up. It's old,
    it's tiring & do you think anyone in Cleveland cared when they moved or cares now that they have been gone 70 years.
    Brian
    So is POC like you degrading fans from STL, as if they don't count or deserve to be fans. Why don't you give it up with your tired old idea that LA is the home of the RAMS. LA is just one of many stops as they bilk the fans for all they can get, and then break their hearts by moving some place else.

    And to answer your question, "Yes, to every one." And they were the Browns, not the Orioles.


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  • BIG-BLUE
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    You guys crack me up with this Cleveland crap. Cleveland is their birthplace, where they originated from, not their home. They left Cleveland and nobody even fought for them. Home is where they were raised, where their roots run the deepest and rose to fame. So you are telling us the Dodgers home is Brooklyn, The S.F Giants home is NY, The A's is Philly, The Orioles is St. Louis, etc etc etc. Give it it up. It's old,
    it's tiring & do you think anyone in Cleveland cared when they moved or cares now that they have been gone 70 years.
    Brian

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  • gap
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    Originally posted by Yodude View Post
    Bearing in mind that the Rams spent 10 years in Cleveland, 49 years in LA and 20 years in St. Louis, I would venture to guess that most Rams fans, unless they are younger than 20 years of age or older than 80 would consider them as having their roots in LA.
    Being uninformed doesn't make you right.


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  • Yodude
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    Originally posted by gap View Post
    I got this far and had to comment before reading farther.

    This guy is clearly not that football intelligent. If he was, he would know that the RAMS' roots are in Cleveland. LA is just one of the many branches (including Anaheim).


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    Bearing in mind that the Rams spent 10 years in Cleveland, 49 years in LA and 20 years in St. Louis, I would venture to guess that most Rams fans, unless they are younger than 20 years of age or older than 80 would consider them as having their roots in LA.

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  • RamsFanSam
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    Originally posted by MauiRam View Post
    Kroenke talks of needing rhino hide to deal with some of the anger back in St. Louis – the reaction could be described as nuclear, if not worse. The truth, however, was he never misled about the possibility of a move, speaking bluntly about the challenges of staying and the possibilities of leaving from the start.
    Now, this is a blatant lie.

    Kroenke NEVER spoke to anyone other than to say "I'm going to attempt to do everything that I can to keep the Rams in St. Louis. Just as I did everything that I could to bring the team to St. Louis in 1995. I believe my actions speak for themselves."

    So, now we have someone with his head up the lower end of Kroenke's alimentary canal wanting to rewrite history?

    All this entire "article" says can be summed up in a sentence: "My name is Dan Wetzel, I just jumped on the Kroenke bandwagon, and I'm more than willing to praise Stan Kroenke so I hopefully can get some of the positive fallout from Inglewood, and I am not above acting like a cheerleader and lying to sell an article. I've been a Rams fan since they were in Chicago back in the 60's...".

    I bet this guy was a Seahawks fan last year, and a Patriots fan a couple of years before that, and had shattered dreams of being a speech writer for a politician.

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  • gap
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    Originally posted by adarian_too View Post
    Riddle me this batman, if I give you a cutting from a strain of Toledo Window Box sinsemilla, and you decide to let it sprout roots in the floodplains of the Missouri, where are the roots of your flora?
    Admittedly, I had to google this to get my answer, but it would be George Carlin.

    The answer to your question in relation to the article above would probably be Mexico, but could be Toledo.

    The answer to your question in relation to your question, it would be Missouri. But that means the article would need to be changed to say they are leaving their roots in St. Louis to go to their other roots in LA.


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  • adarian_too
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    Originally posted by gap View Post
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    If he was, he would know that the RAMS' roots are in Cleveland. LA is just one of the many branches (including Anaheim).
    Riddle me this batman, if I give you a cutting from a strain of Toledo Window Box sinsemilla, and you decide to let it sprout roots in the floodplains of the Missouri, where are the roots of your flora?

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  • r8rh8rmike
    Kroenke Sparks NFL Chaos
    by r8rh8rmike
    Kroenke sparks NFL chaos

    Rams owner Stan Kroenke's plan to move the team to L.A. raises eyebrows

    Originally Published: March 18, 2015
    By David Fleming | ESPN The Magazine

    THE FIRST PIECE of property Stan Kroenke ever cared about sits abandoned now, perched on the edge of an endless swath of farmland, sinking into the thick coffee-colored soil of central Missouri. Some of the original charm of Enos Stanley Kroenke's quaint childhood home in Mora (population: 424) remains intact. The green front door still features an old-fashioned brass and porcelain doorbell crank. The intricate wood detailing under the roof eaves has survived. But after years of neglect by the current owners, who converted the old water well into a TV antenna, any gust of wind can scatter giant flakes of gray house paint across the overgrown landscaping. "It was a beautiful little farmhouse at one time," whispers a neighbor. "It's not now."

    Kroenke, the multibillionaire real estate developer and owner of the St. Louis Rams, once recounted how he used to sit on the narrow front porch here and, as the summer sun set behind the corn, soak in the faint, scratchy radio broadcasts of the St. Louis Cardinals with his father and grandfather. Alvin Kroenke so loved the Cardinals that he named his eldest son after two of 
the team's homegrown Hall of Famers: the hardworking Enos "Country" Slaughter and the quiet, humble effortless hitter Stan "the Man" Musial.

    Today, though, the family's once idyllic front porch is full of gaping holes in its weather-worn floorboards. And Missourians fear that Kroenke's relationship with his native state 
is falling into similar disrepair.

    Since January, the reclusive Kroenke, 67, has been maneuvering his NFL team west, out of Missouri and into what would be the crown jewel of his massive real estate development and sports empire: a proposed 80,000-seat NFL stadium in Inglewood, California, with a space-age retractable roof, open-air sides and a U.S.-record $1.86 billion budget.

    Five decades after he left Mora, Kroenke has amassed a net worth of $6.3 billion, according to Forbes, and through his array of vineyards, ranches and strip malls, many of them anchored by Wal-Mart, he has become the eighth-largest landowner in the United States. All the while, he has collected sports franchises like vintage cars. Besides the Rams, he owns the English Premier League team Arsenal, valued at $1.3 billion, the Denver Nuggets, the Colorado Avalanche, MLS's Colorado Rapids, the Colorado Mammoth of the National Lacrosse League and Denver's Pepsi Center, where he maintains a 12,000-square-foot penthouse apartment on the top two floors, complete with a theater, a gym and pristine views of the Rockies.

    Most of these, however, would become secondary knickknacks if Kroenke is indeed the man who brings...
    -03-23-2015, 12:36 PM
  • GreatestShow99
    No chance of a comeback
    by GreatestShow99
    No chance of a comeback
    By Dane Watkins / January 21st, 2015
    Between the two of us, my father and I have witnessed nearly every moment of the pitiful pro football on display in St. Louis over the past 55 years, first with the Cardinals, and then with the Rams. But for the first time in my life, we will not be renewing our season tickets with the Rams.

    The Rams have broken my heart year after year, disappointed me, and left me wondering why I spend my money and my time watching them play. It’s been a part of my life since I was three years old.

    Unfortunately, recent events have changed all that. I never thought I would stop watching the Rams, but what transpired over the past few weeks was too much to endure.

    Stan Kroenke, owner of the Rams, has decided the team will be playing football in Los Angeles soon. While nothing is official yet, the Rams are as good as gone.

    Kroenke has the money (he’s one of the richest human beings on the planet, and his wife “Princess Wal-Mart” is worth more than him), he has the land (a however-many-acre plot in Inglewood, California with space not only for a stadium but room to develop parking lots and mini malls to accompany the field and fatten his wallet) and he has the team.

    People have tried telling me not to worry—that it’s presumptuous to think the Rams will leave, that there’s no need to fret yet. They say the NFL has ruled out submissions to relocate in 2015—true, but not in 2016. They say the NFL owners wanted to control the LA market and that they don’t trust or like Kroenke. They say the NFL’s own bylaws prohibit a team from re-locating unless they have negotiated “in good faith” with the home city. They say it’s too early to say anything for certain.

    Please. To believe the Rams will be in St. Louis in five years is incredibly naïve.

    Firstly, the other NFL owners may not like Kroenke, but they do like money. And a team in LA would mean more money for them.

    The NFL has owned the LA market for 20 years and done virtually nothing with it. Never before has such a viable owner, location and team been available for relocation.

    It’s hard to move a team to Los Angeles; the real-estate market is a mess and the taxes are astronomical. But Kroenke already has the land, and can afford the taxes. They might not like him, but he can make them more money. A team in the second-biggest TV market in the United States will bring in more cash than a team in St. Louis. It’s simple and unfortunate math. If the LA Clippers are worth $2 billion, how high might the Rams’ stock rise if they were to move?

    As for the NFL’s bylaws, they aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. They were designed to keep people from owning professional sports teams in different franchises and thus tamper with different markets.

    But the NFL is already making exceptions for Kroenke...
    -01-25-2015, 10:58 AM
  • MauiRam
    Bernie: Give NFL a victory, Kroenke a defeat ..
    by MauiRam
    BY BERNIE MIKLASZ
    Thursday, March 29, 2012

    Rams owner Stan Kroenke failed in his high-stakes attempt to make a winning bid for the Los Angeles Dodgers. A group put together by Magic Johnson won the auction and shocked the sports world with a successful, if crazy, $2 billion offer.

    This may have been a loss for Kroenke, but it was a win for multiple parties.

    This was a win for the NFL.

    I don't think the NFL wanted Kroenke further distracted by adding yet another toy to his collection of sports franchises. The NFL would like to see Kroenke do his best to fix the Rams and come up with a resolution to the stadium-lease issue.

    I don't think the NFL was much interested in getting into another rules skirmish with Kroenke. Had he purchased the Dodgers, Kroenke would have been in violation of the league's cross-ownership policy, because the NFL controls the LA market. The NFL gets to avoid that potential conflict.

    It was also a win for baseball Commissioner Bud Selig. His trusted ally, longtime baseball executive Stan Kasten, is part of the winning group. Kasten will run the Dodgers; MLB got to keep this in the family.

    Kroenke did pass muster financially to qualify as one of three finalists for the Dodgers. But MLB wasn't enthusiastic about handing a crown-jewel franchise to a largely absentee owner who has so many other teams and business interests. The Dodgers occupy a special spot in baseball's heritage and deserve undivided attention.

    Moreover, MLB probably didn't want the Dodgers and Chavez Ravine to be in the middle of Kroenke's potential maneuvering for an NFL franchise in Los Angeles.

    It was a win for Dodgers fans, who are happy to have an LA sports icon in place at Chavez Ravine. Magic Johnson didn't fund the $2 billion purchase, but he recruited the money men, and he'll be on the ground in LA as the constant face of the franchise. Kroenke was no match for Johnson's LA's cachet, connection or vast popularity.

    OK, so what does Kroenke's defeat mean for Rams fans?

    Answer: to be determined.

    Kroenke lost a little leverage in St. Louis when the Dodgers slipped away from him. Rams fans and some uninformed pundits already were in a frenzied state, convinced that Kroenke (A) would get the Dodgers and (B) move the Rams to Los Angeles approximately 18 seconds later.

    It was never that simple, because the NFL plans on being doggedly protective of the LA market and will tightly control the process of putting a team there. The price on the Dodgers' sale only reinforced how valuable a LA-based NFL franchise would be for the owner, and the league isn't just going to allow anyone to sweep in and cash in. That's obvious, but the reality did nothing to prevent the paranoia from festering in St. Louis.

    It only strengthened Kroenke's leverage to have the...
    -03-30-2012, 01:39 AM
  • MauiRam
    If Stan Kroenke gets the Dodgers, doesn't L.A. get the Rams?
    by MauiRam
    Los Angeles Times
    By T.J. Simers
    February 1, 2012

    Will St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke be the one who helps steer a football team back to Los Angeles?

    I had dinner with Georgia Frontiere, where the Rams' owner chose to tell me about each of her seven husbands — four too many for me to make a newspaper deadline and still explain to the people of Los Angeles how she had just won approval to move her team to St. Louis.

    I hopped into a waiting limo in Oakland, expecting to find Al Davis, but got a pair of Raiderettes instead. So I never did get around to meeting with Davis to discuss the possibility of the Raiders returning to L.A.

    Former super-agent Michael Ovitz sent a martini to my hotel room and had Tom Cruise and Jerry West call to talk football and the prospect of bringing the NFL back to town. Ovitz also asked me not to park my Ford Escort in front of his Rockingham home so no one might think he was entertaining a poor person.

    When it comes to the NFL and L.A., I find almost nothing too far-fetched. But now maybe comes the capper of them all.

    If Frank McCourt chooses Stan Kroenke as the Dodgers' winning bidder, McCourt does something that Eli Broad, Ed Roski, Mayor Riordan, Peter O'Malley and so many others could not do.

    He not only brings the NFL back to town, but he gives fans here the Rams again.

    There is no other reason for Kroenke to bid on the Dodgers, even though there are NFL rules that prevent an owner from owning a baseball team in one city and a football team in another.

    Imagine a statue of McCourt outside L.A.'s new football stadium, his arms outstretched and palms up in the hopes someone might drop a dollar or two in them.

    Crazy, I know, but no more so than driving to a dog track in Tampa years ago with the daughter, her Notre Dame roommate, Rams executive John Shaw, his wife-to-be and Kroenke all jammed into a rental car.

    I've seen Kroenke, who married the daughter of the co-founder of Wal-Mart, go pale losing a $2 show bet on some poky mutt. So I remain somewhat dubious he will be the last bidder standing after McCourt squeezes the very last nickel out of bidders.

    But I do like the idea of greeters outside a stadium as fans arrive.

    I can't imagine McCourt ripping Kroenke off, but Kroenke is the determined sort. He wanted badly to be a sports owner, and now he not only owns the Rams but the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rapids and Mammoth as well as the British soccer powerhouse Arsenal.

    He also owns a pair of wineries, and if you owned the Rams wouldn't you need a drink?

    He has a home in Malibu, and he put together a sports TV network in Colorado, which the new owner of the Dodgers may want to do here.

    If you live in St. Louis, today is the deadline for the Convention...
    -02-02-2012, 09:48 AM
  • MauiRam
    Bernie: Way too early to panic about Rams ..
    by MauiRam
    BY BERNIE MIKLASZ, Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:00 am

    When word got out that the Rams had been contacted by the group that's trying to recruit an NFL team for Los Angeles, it caused a wave of panic in St. Louis.

    This apparently was headline news. Judging by the way the story was played up by St. Louis television stations, you would have thought a fleet of moving vans was out at Rams Park, loading up Sam Bradford and the team's other worldly possessions for an immediate transfer to LA.

    But really, was anyone really shocked? Los Angeles obviously wants an NFL franchise to anchor a massive stadium project there. The Rams are one of several NFL teams drawing attention from LA for obvious reasons.

    This isn't exactly a covert CIA operation. Teams with stadium issues in their home markets are being targeted. The Rams qualify; they'll probably be free to vacate their Edward Jones Dome lease after the 2014 season.

    So naturally the Rams and owner Stan Kroenke are going to get a call from LA.

    It would be more surprising if they didn't get a call from LA.

    But just because someone expresses interest in your football team, it doesn't mean the team is moving. There's a long way to go in this game. As it is, the Rams are committed to playing four more seasons of football at The Ed. A lot can be done between now and then.

    And if billionaire Philip Anschutz — the billionaire behind the LA project — wants a team, the Rams may be the wrong fit. He's apparently looking to purchase a team as part of moving it to LA.

    Why would Kroenke want to sell the Rams to Anschutz? Kroenke helped bring the Rams to St. Louis in 1995 by stepping forward to become Georgia Frontiere's ownership partner and buying 40 percent of the team.

    Kroenke patiently hung on to that 40 percent share for 15 years, until he finally had the chance to buy full control of the Rams. But before becoming the owner, Kroenke had to work out a complicated arrangement with the NFL to get around the league's rules prohibiting cross ownership.

    Kroenke has owned the Rams for less than a year. Buying his way into the NFL inner circle of owners was obviously an important quest for Kroenke. So after going through 15 years of waiting to make it happen, why would Kroenke want to give up his seat in the owners' circle?

    This makes no sense. And Kroenke is a buyer and a collector, not a seller. Just look at all of the sports properties he's purchased or developed: the NFL Rams, the NBA Denver Nuggets, the NHL Colorado Avalanche, the Pepsi Center in Denver, the MLS Colorado Rapids, a soccer stadium in Colorado, a pro lacrosse team in Colorado, and the Arsenal soccer club in the English Premier League.

    Sure, Kroenke could try to move the team without selling it. But in my conversations with Kroenke, he has consistently and repeatedly stated...
    -06-12-2011, 11:30 AM
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