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    Offensive lineman asks Rams to switch him to defense
    By Brent Schrotenboer

    April 2, 2005

    St. Louis Rams offensive tackle Kyle Turley is planning a switch to defensive end this year a position he hasn't played since high school as long he can pass a physical exam and resume working relations with a head coach he won't forgive.

    Turley, a former standout at San Diego State, wants to switch to defensive end to relieve pressure on his back, a subject of controversy and much physical stress for Turley since December. Turley suffered from a herniated disc in preseason training camp and missed the entire 2004 season.

    "I need to play a position where I have more freedom to move around and get out of problem situations," Turley said yesterday by phone. "My back was injured on pass plays (on offense)."

    Turley said Rams General Manager Charlie Armey and operations chief Jay Zygmunt have given him the "we'll see" answer to his switch request. A call to the Rams office seeking comment was not immediately returned last night.

    In the last three months, Turley's weight dipped to 235 for the first time since his freshman year at SDSU. After working out in Tempe, Ariz., he has it back up to 260 with a target of 275. He was once up to 309.

    As a result, he said, he's going to be faster than ever and is feeling great about extending his career. A bigger question might be how he'll be received by head coach Mike Martz if he does. In December, Turley got into a shouting match with Martz after Turley said Martz questioned the seriousness of Turley's injury. Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz a charge Turley denies.

    "There's definitely hard feelings," Turley said. "As far as I'm concerned, I don't have to forgive anybody. The things he said to me, I don't plan on forgetting."

    Turley said that from now on his relationship with Martz wil be: "He stays away from me, and I stay away from him."

    According to Turley, Martz said that Turley came to St. Louis "to take the money and run." Turley, 29, signed a six-year, $26.5 million contract after joining the Rams in 2003.

    "How do you say that to a guy who hasn't missed a down or a practice in six years and faces a serious, career-ending injury?" Turley asked.

    Turley, a former first-round draft pick in 1998, also said he's ditched many diet supplements in his quest to regain his health and weight. Instead of multivitamins, for example, he's sticking to a strict diet and nutritional shakes. His body fat rate is down from 10 percent to 8 percent.

    Turley had surgery on his back in March 2004 but didn't want to have more surgery last fall that could have further jeopardized his career.

  • #2
    Re: Turley wants to play defense

    I think this should maybe be in the "Anyone Need A Laugh" thread. What a piece of work Kyle Turley is.


    • #3
      Re: Turley wants to play defense

      Originally posted by NickSeiler
      "There's definitely hard feelings," Turley said. "As far as I'm concerned, I don't have to forgive anybody. The things he said to me, I don't plan on forgetting."

      Turley said that from now on his relationship with Martz wil be: "He stays away from me, and I stay away from him."
      Thus far in the media, Martz has done nothing but handle this with class. Turley has done exactly the opposite. His "I don't have to forgive anybody" attitude shows he's incapable of being the bigger man, which is an ironic way to put it, since we've all been wondering if he's going to be able to get bigger physically.


      • #4
        Re: Turley wants to play defense

        Somewhere, Mike Martz is rolling his eyes.


        • #5
          Re: Turley wants to play defense

          I'll take him on defense when he agrees to take a pay cut. We're paying for an offensive lineman, not a defensive end. He'll be the highest paid DE on the roster?

          If he doesn't take a cut, we'll make a cut.


          • #6
            Re: Turley wants to play defense

            If they have to pay him the money anyway, then let him show up on the Defensive bench and see if they can find someway to use him.

            But if there is some way to save money, or recoup money because he's not playing at all, then forget it.

            Also, I wonder if this is his way of saying "I wanted to play" to possibly make a better case for not having to give money back in the lawsuit the Rams will be filing against him? (knowing they won't use him on D).


            • #7
              Re: Turley wants to play defense

              If he wants to move around more let him run back punt returns.Hes lighter and faster give him the ball.:tongue:


              • #8
                Re: Turley wants to play defense

                I had to check the date that was written, and sure enough it wasn't April 1st. Wow.

                As a matter of principle, cut him. Don't give him another chance because he's done nothing to earn it.


                • #9
                  Re: Turley wants to play defense

                  In my opinion, all he is doing is trying to protect his legal rights in the arbitration hearing that lies ahead. He is trying to show that he is capable of playing football so that when the rams cut him they cant use the excuse that he didnt rehab (ie use good faith efforts to meet his contractual obligations).

                  He has about as much chance of playing defensive end this year for us as jack youngblood.

                  general counsel


                  • #10
                    Re: Turley wants to play defense

                    Just cut the guy, he will be nothing but trouble on our roster and in the locker room!!!

                    steve :ramlogo:
                    "The breakfast Club":helmet:


                    • #11
                      Re: Turley wants to play defense

                      I agree, this is legal positioning.

                      It doesn't make sense on the football field. If it only took a great, strong athlete to play DL in the NFL, than Brock Lesnar would be starting. His quest failed and he didn't even make the team. Turley would be cut too if he was only going for Def Line.

                      Personally, I don't think he wants to play anymore. I think he should look up Ricky Williams and they can wax eloquently about tatoos and weed, and their playing days.


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                        Coach Mike Martz told ESPN's Ed Werder on Monday night that if Turley needs to undergo a second disc surgery, he feared Turley might be lost for the entire season.

                        Turley himself has expressed concern that another surgery might end his entire career.

                        "It was a threat to my career last year," Turley said at the time of the injury in August. "For it to have possibly reoccurred is definitely a bigger threat."

                        In March, Turley had surgery to repair the same disc.

                        Turley, who has not practiced since Aug. 1, has seen a series of back specialists this summer. In the interim, the Rams have been treating the injury with anti-inflammatory drugs.

                        Last year was Turley's first with the Rams and he started all 16 games. But he was bothered much of the year by pain in his hip that turned out to be a herniated disc.

                        Turley said after he reinjured his back that he may have tried to do too much at the start of camp.

                        "I think in general, being out here too early and going too hard too soon hurt me," Turley said. "A couple of plays in particular, you just get put in a bad position. It can happen to anybody at anytime, but I think I'm a little more vulnerable to it."
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                      • RamWraith
                        Can this marriage be saved?
                        by RamWraith
                        By Bill Coats
                        Of the Post-Dispatch
                        Wednesday, Jun. 01 2005

                        Call him irrationally stubborn. Call him sadly delusional. Or call him
                        cunningly shrewd as he attempts to position himself for future work in the NFL.

                        Whatever the proper label, offensive tackle Kyle Turley wavers only slightly in
                        his belief that his days with the Rams are not about to end. "Stranger things
                        have happened, so I'm not going to rule it out," he said. "But I don't
                        anticipate that happening."

                        Realistically, Turley appears to be on the verge of becoming an ex-Ram -
                        perhaps as early as today. June 2 is the first day that NFL teams can release
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                        Although he reports that the recovery from the back injury that sidelined him
                        for the 2004 season "is going really well," Turley figures to be the headliner
                        on this year's hit list. "If they do release me, then they'd be making a big
                        mistake at this point," said Turley, 28. "The back's feeling really good. The
                        biggest problem right now is the ... severe atrophy of my right leg muscles
                        that I've been struggling to recover from.

                        "That's a rigorous and long process, but it's coming back slowly but surely."

                        Still, the team appears to have little use for Turley, especially considering
                        the heft of his contract: He signed a six-year, $26.5 million deal after the
                        Rams acquired him from New Orleans in March 2003 for their second-round draft
                        pick in '04. Had Turley been released before today, the team would have
                        suffered a $7.29 million salary cap hit this year. Now, only $1.82 million
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                        Coach Mike Martz declined on Wednesday to discuss Turley's status, and attempts
                        to reach Jay Zygmunt, the Rams' president of football operations, were

                        Turley's agent, Tom Condon, did not return a phone message.

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                        Grant Williams, Blaine Saipaia and Scott Tercero also have started at tackle.
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                      • Nick
                        Turley is released after failing physical - PD
                        by Nick
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                        Monday, Jun. 06 2005

                        Kyle Turley won't be playing offensive tackle, tight end, defensive tackle or
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                        administered in Arizona, where he had been rehabbing the back injury that cost
                        him the entire 2004 season, and has been released.

                        Officially, Turley was designated as "waived - failed physical," which means
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                        Turley signed a six-year, $26.5 million deal with the Rams after he was
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                        Turley, 28, underwent surgery on a herniated disc in March of 2004 after
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                        on the injured reserve list Aug. 28.

                        Additional surgery was not performed, and Turley said in a recent interview
                        with the Post-Dispatch that he had been training daily since early January at
                        the Athletes Performance Institute in Tempe, Ariz. After dropping some 65
                        pounds from his playing weight, down to 235, the 6-foot-5 Turley reported that
                        he'd added about 30 pounds and hoped to play in the NFL this year.

                        Still, Turley acknowledged that he probably couldn't add enough bulk to man an
                        offensive line position this year, so he hinted that he'd be interested in a
                        different position - perhaps tight end or defensive end.

                        "As far as the team goes, I don't know what their thoughts are," he said.
                        "Obviously, they signed a contract with me to play offensive line, and they
                        don't know what I would do at another position. So, that's probably a big
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                        "(But) it might take another year possibly to continue putting the weight on,
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                      • RamWraith
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                        Kyle Turley knows all about stereotypes. He has seen it from every angle and every position possible.

                        Turley has been labeled because of his long hair and tattoos and his sometimes-reckless approach to football. He is what many people consider as the prototype of a gCalifornia Surfer Dude.h Look beyond that flimsy stereotype and you will see that what makes Turley tick is far more than any loud music or new ink could do.

                        On the field, Turley is as mean as they come. He has to be. He plays offensive tackle, a position not exactly built for the faint of heart. His imposing frame and demeanor make him seem like some sort of caged beast and he iscon the field.

                        Take Turley away from the game and he becomes something else, something unexpected. Turley is one of the gamefs good guys. Scratch that, Turley is one of the gamefs best guys.

                        This season, Turley is on injured reserve because of a back injury. While the news was devastating to Turley and the Rams, there is a silver lining for people in St. Louis and other parts of the country.

                        gI am just going to try to make positive use of the time,h Turley said. gI want to try to keep my face in the public eye so I can continue to spread all of the important messages.h

                        Along with his wife Stacy, Turley goes above and beyond the call of duty to make a difference in the community. That relentless dedication, has earned Turley a nomination for the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, given each year to the player who best balances his responsibilities in the community with those on the field.

                        A truly unique athlete with vast interests beyond football, Turley doesnft shy away from the tough issues and has tackled the challenge of educating people on the value of diversity and acceptance through his work with the Diversity Awareness Partnership. When he speaks on the subject of diversity, he often offers himself as an example of perception versus reality and looking past stereotypes.

                        gIfm not just a football player,h Turley said. gI want to help awareness and show these kids that there are so many things out there for them. They need to know that color, race, none of those things matter.h

                        In addition to his extensive work with the Diversity Awareness Partnership, Turley, a musician who majored in art at San Diego State, has also devoted himself to the Arts and Education Council which raises funds to support the arts and arts education activities in the St. Louis metropolitan area.

                        gThe arts have played a significant part in shaping the person I am today,h Turley said. gAnd by partnering with the Arts and Education Council, Stacy and I hope to bring a new level of awareness to the importance of all art forms ranging from music to visual arts.h
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                      • thoey
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                        by thoey

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                        NFL security has questioned Rams coach Mike Martz and offensive tackle Kyle Turley over an incident where Turley allegedly threatened to kill Martz, ESPN's Chris Mortensen has learned.

                        Martz and Turley allegedly engaged in a shouting match which resulted in Martz filing a report with NFL Security regarding the death threat, Mortensen is reporting.

                        The argument began when Turley heard that Martz questioned the tackle's dedication to rehabbing his injured back and decided to confront the coach, Mortensen reports. Turley is on injured reserve after re-injuring his surgically repaired back early in training camp.

                        For his part, Turley denies having threatened Martz. And on Tuesday evening, Martz issued a written statement through his agent, Frank Bauer, denying the report of a confrontation with Turley. "This story is absurd. It is offensive to Kyle Turley and Mike Martz. There is no truth to this story."

                        Despite missing the entire season with back woes, Turley has said he wants to return for the 2005 season. The seven-year veteran, who has ruled out a second surgery to correct his back problem, has no plans for now of retiring.

                        "Wanting to play has never been an issue," Turley said earlier this month. "I've given everything to this sport and dedicated myself to this, I think, as much, or in some cases more so, than most people. That's been the goal from Day One, to get back. To get back on the field."

                        From the time his back began to flare up again early in training camp this summer, Turley insisted he would retire rather than face another surgery. He said doctors have apprised him that, with proper posture, increased core strength and additional flexibility, his back in time will compensate for the disc problem.

                        How long that process will take, however, is not certain. Turley's goal is to be in camp but that aim might not be a realistic one.

                        "But if it takes [until] the middle of next season, then so be it," he said. "Or if it takes even the year after that, I'm going to make it back. I'm 29 years old. There's time. I'm going to make it back and play in the league."

                        Information from's Len Pasquarelli was used in this report
                        -12-28-2004, 09:23 PM