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  • #16
    Originally posted by PARamfan View Post
    Yeah remember when Peyton Manning went #1 there were some that thought the # 2 guy could be better. Anyone remember Ryan Leaf's great NFL career?
    Leaf had great numbers at WSU, and all the physical tools. The problem was, he had a lousy attitude, was emotionally unstable, and had no mental toughness. Unfortunately, analytics don't account for these factors.

    I have no problem using analytics, but only as one of many tools to evaluate a prospect.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post

      Leaf had great numbers at WSU, and all the physical tools. The problem was, he had a lousy attitude, was emotionally unstable, and had no mental toughness. Unfortunately, analytics don't account for these factors.

      I have no problem using analytics, but only as one of many tools to evaluate a prospect.


      I can't speak about Goff on that front but Wentz is about as well grounded and hard working as you're going to find. He also brings the leadership factor and winning mentality forged from being at the head of a dynasty. And this is a dynasty built upon winning to earn home field playoff games and winning through a true tournament....where you see the level of opposition get better at each step. Far more equal to the NFL in that aspect as opposed to the joke that is the FBS system of crowning a somewhat mythical champion.
      "You people point your 'f'in' finger and say theres the bad guy....what that make you....good?" Tony Montana

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Fargo Ram Fan View Post



        I can't speak about Goff on that front but Wentz is about as well grounded and hard working as you're going to find. He also brings the leadership factor and winning mentality forged from being at the head of a dynasty. And this is a dynasty built upon winning to earn home field playoff games and winning through a true tournament....where you see the level of opposition get better at each step. Far more equal to the NFL in that aspect as opposed to the joke that is the FBS system of crowning a somewhat mythical champion.
        Of course, last year, Wentz missed the early rounds of the playoffs and only returned for the final game, in which he threw for less than 200 yards, 1 TD and 2 Ints.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Fargo Ram Fan View Post
          I can't speak about Goff on that front but Wentz is about as well grounded and hard working as you're going to find. He also brings the leadership factor and winning mentality forged from being at the head of a dynasty. And this is a dynasty built upon winning to earn home field playoff games and winning through a true tournament....where you see the level of opposition get better at each step. Far more equal to the NFL in that aspect as opposed to the joke that is the FBS system of crowning a somewhat mythical champion.
          My point was more about analytics, not Wentz, I just hope the Rams do their due diligence in evaluating both Goff and Wentz with regard to mental aspects and personality.

          As far as Wentz, I've heard nothing but great things about him as a person, a leader, a teammate, a tireless driven worker, and a player that makes those around him better.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post

            Of course, last year, Wentz missed the early rounds of the playoffs and only returned for the final game, in which he threw for less than 200 yards, 1 TD and 2 Ints.
            Your point...or shall I say...agenda?? I digress......

            But (of course) he was instrumental in the playoff run, as he was mentoring the freshman QB every step of the way. He was involved in all the prep and meetings for every game. He was on the sideline, helping the kid during the games and the result was a national championship....just their 5th straight. Wentz has been on hand for 4 of them. His numbers in the game didn't blow anyone away. That was often the case. It's not a pass heavy offense. I see you conveniently failed to acknowledge his 79 yards and 2 TDs rushing and the fact that he was named outstanding player of the game, for a second straight year. Shocking. Yes, he was a bit rusty after missing 2 months of game action. To be expected. Last time I checked, the result of the game is what matters most. A QB's job is to lead his team to victories and (hopefully) championships...not rack up personal stats. NDSU plays team ball. No gaudy individual numbers...EVER. Results on file.
            "You people point your 'f'in' finger and say theres the bad guy....what that make you....good?" Tony Montana

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            • #21
              Agenda? Okay... whatever. I've repeatedly said that its a close call.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Fargo Ram Fan View Post
                Your point...or shall I say...agenda?? I digress......
                Does someone with a NDSU avatar really have the footing to accuse someone else of an agenda in a debate about these two QBs? I wonder... ;)


                Originally posted by Fargo Ram Fan View Post
                But (of course) he was instrumental in the playoff run, as he was mentoring the freshman QB every step of the way. He was involved in all the prep and meetings for every game. He was on the sideline, helping the kid during the games and the result was a national championship....just their 5th straight. Wentz has been on hand for 4 of them. His numbers in the game didn't blow anyone away. That was often the case. It's not a pass heavy offense. I see you conveniently failed to acknowledge his 79 yards and 2 TDs rushing and the fact that he was named outstanding player of the game, for a second straight year. Shocking. Yes, he was a bit rusty after missing 2 months of game action. To be expected. Last time I checked, the result of the game is what matters most. A QB's job is to lead his team to victories and (hopefully) championships...not rack up personal stats. NDSU plays team ball. No gaudy individual numbers...EVER. Results on file.
                So just to be clear, this was a championship-caliber team before Wentz took over as starting QB, it was a championship-caliber team while Wentz was its starting QB, and it was a championship-caliber team when a freshman replaced Wentz as the starting QB.

                I'm not trying to sound like I'm down on the guy, because I'm not and would be satisified with him in horns, but this doesn't sound like a compelling argument about Wentz's talent if the team was great before and after him. How can you really measure the impact he had on them? And while you've made a fair argument about not disrupting a good thing in terms of Wentz not supplanting Jensen, it's also a hard pill to swallow that this franchise caliber number one overall pick Wentz was stuck behind undrafted and now playing in Canada Jensen.

                All indications are that Wentz has both the physical skills and the intangibles to be an NFL success, which is the main reason I'm fine if he ends up being the Rams pick. But something just isn't clicking in my mind about Wentz, and maybe it's all for nothing, but these are the kinds of questions I'm still stuck on.

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