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  • #31
    Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post

    I completely agree, and have made the point that both Wentz and Prescott have the advantage of playing behind pro bowl linemen, which is major when it comes to development.

    I fully understand that Fisher inherited a woeful line in 2011. But 5 drafts later and 5 FA markets later, we are still talking about an inefficient o line (and WR corps) Why?.(he asks rhetorically)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by macrammer View Post
      I fully understand that Fisher inherited a woeful line in 2011. But 5 drafts later and 5 FA markets later, we are still talking about an inefficient o line (and WR corps) Why?.(he asks rhetorically)
      I agree that they've done a poor job fixing the line since arriving in 2012.

      It's worth pointing out that only two linemen on the entire roster have more than three years experience, so some of the players FIsher has brought in are still developing themselves. Robinson showed signs of progress in the preseason, Havenstein has looked like a keeper.

      The interior, IMO, is a mess, perhaps none more than the starting center. It's a shame Barrett Jones didn't work out. It's also worth remembering that after drafting Robinson and Donald, the Rams tried (unsuccessfully) to trade back up to take Zack Martin. What would this line look like with him on it? Alas...

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      • #33
        the last twos from Nick and macrammer echo the same words I been spewing for 3 seasons now

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        • #34
          I don't think the O line has played bad this year. Teams are stacking the box to stop one of, if not the best back in the NFL. They have done a good job of pass protecting, every teams gonna give up a sack now and then. Teams run stuns, they blitz and most have a stud that's hard to block one on one. I think the scheme has been weak. I don't see pulling guards or a full back/TE in the backfield. They seem to run up the middle 85% of the time with no real push. The Rams changed this year and started adding more pistol so Goff could be running plays from shot gun but yet he's not playing. They need to go back and add the full back/TE into the backfield until he's playing.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by tomahawk247 View Post
            Yeah, lets completely overlook Chris Weinke's history as an NFL QB and Heisman trophy winner
            He was a pay me parent recruiting QB coach at the High School Level before the hire and did you catch his act in Hard Knocks? Not a whole lot of teaching going on. Just verbal abuse and shaming. Saw the same at practice. he show a real commitment to fitness and health with the LBS he has packed on and the Chaw between cheek and gum is impressive. I hear he can handle the upper lip Copenhagen and not show. Stud
            All bets are Goff

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            • #36
              Wentz has looked pretty damn good leading the Eagles to 3-0. Assuming Goff starts in a few more weeks, he better play well or there will be a lot of questions as to why he's still playing badly even after getting eased in slowly and learning the playbook on the sideline.

              If Goff continues to have mental struggles, there will be valid concerns as to why guys like Prescott and Wentz learned the playbook in a very short amount of time while Goff can't even handle leading a simple, run-first offense.

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              • #37
                As the father of two adult children one his age in sports I will give Goff the benefit of the doubt for now. He is after all a true Junior on paper... The maturity level of young adults this age in and out of college is a wide range. What we might have here is Wentz off the chart mature with street cred ready to go and Goff a late bloomer still finding his way. Physically this appears to be true as well. Wentz has a more developed and refined athletic body and Goff still seems to have an underdeveloped frame. His head might be behind also... I won't argue that he should be ready because I see it and live it every day now. Kids and their friends are all over the map. allow me to suggest however that this is something an organization who mortgaged the future to get him should have vetted perhaps. How much homework did Fisher and Snead do on him? How much did they do on the other QB's is probably the bigger question.
                All bets are Goff

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                • #38
                  Man I don't even want to see what Wentz will be in 2 to 3 years. All the scouts said he wouldn't be close to playing till then. Sure am glad Goff was more NFL ready... What a friggin joke....

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jerseyramsfan View Post
                    Man I don't even want to see what Wentz will be in 2 to 3 years.
                    If he doesn't learn to slide, the answer may be "in traction."

                    All the scouts said he wouldn't be close to playing till then. Sure am glad Goff was more NFL ready... What a friggin joke....
                    I think its pretty clear that the scouts were split on Goff/Wentz. I don't believe that the Rams were the only team that had Goff rated higher, and I'm sure there were teams other than the Eagles who preferred Wentz.

                    Those who wish to say that this "race" is over are certainly entitled to their opinions, but I'm not ready to call it just yet. In the end, I really don't care who is better, as long as Goff proves to be a franchise QB.

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                    • #40
                      [QUOTE=Head Slap;n801924]As the father of two adult children one his age in sports I will give Goff the benefit of the doubt for now. He is after all a true Junior on paper... The maturity level of young adults this age in and out of college is a wide range. What we might have here is Wentz off the chart mature with street cred ready to go and Goff a late bloomer still finding his way. Physically this appears to be true as well. Wentz has a more developed and refined athletic body and Goff still seems to have an underdeveloped frame. His head might be behind also... I won't argue that he should be ready because I see it and live it every day now. Kids and their friends are all over the map. allow me to suggest however that this is something an organization who mortgaged the future to get him should have vetted perhaps. How much homework did Fisher and Snead do on him? How much did they do on the other QB's is probably the bigger question. [

                      Great point.

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                      • r8rh8rmike
                        Cal QB Jared Goff has skills, NFL-ready talent to warrant being Rams' No. 1 pick
                        by r8rh8rmike
                        Cal QB Jared Goff has skills, NFL-ready talent to warrant being Rams' No. 1 pick

                        April 16, 2016


                        Updated April 17, 2016 10:43 a.m.


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                        California quarterback Jared Goff looks for an open receiver against Air Force during the first half of the Armed Forces Bowl on Dec. 29. Goff's pocket presence is considered one of his strengths. RON JENKINS, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS



                        As far as college quarterbacks go, Jared Goff is not among the most decorated.

                        He racked up gaudy numbers, but did so in an Air Raid-styled spread offense. He was never in serious discussion for any major national awards and had to share his All-Pac-12 first-team nod this past season. He finished with a career record of 14-23.

                        None of that, however, should prevent the Rams from drafting him No. 1 overall over North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz at the end of this month.

                        “I went into every game thinking I’m the best player on the field,” Goff said last summer. “Because I think you have to.”

                        He was reflecting on his 2013 debut at Cal, when he became the first true freshman quarterback in program history to start a season opener. That first campaign in Berkeley was miserable, with the Golden Bears winning just a single game under new coach Sonny Dykes.

                        But to those who would knock Goff for not being a “winner,” consider this: The 21-year-old is already mentally prepared for the hardships of an NFL transition. He is unlikely to see his confidence shaken by even the worst losses, unlikely to be fazed by the pressure of being anointed the savior of Los Angeles pro football.

                        He also checks off several other boxes, having improved his passer rating by double digits in every season. CBS Sports’ Dane Brugler and NBC Sports’ Josh Norris both rank the Bay Area product as the more attractive prospect, as does Sports Illustrated’s Chris Burke. Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller said in a recent radio appearance that he would take Goff over Wentz “without a doubt.”

                        Even NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, who prefers Wentz for his tools and upside, has called Goff the “most ready-to-play quarterback in this draft.”

                        “You just don’t see very often college quarterbacks who have his ability both mentally and physically,” Brugler said. “His ability to throw guys open, that passing anticipating. You saw that a little bit with Jameis Winston, but he brings something different to the table – something that projects very well to the NFL level.”

                        Of course, it’s easy enough to find those on the other side of the aisle, too. Wentz is still the favorite to go No. 1 on a litany of mock drafts, including one from Cris Collinsworth that predicted the Rams’ blockbuster trade a month before it was finalized.

                        The case for Wentz is simple enough to understand. The Bismarck, N.D., native stands at 6-foot-5 and 235...
                        -04-18-2016, 11:21 AM
                      • Nick
                        Jared Goff vs. Carson Wentz: Who should Rams take with No. 1 draft pick?
                        by Nick
                        Jared Goff vs. Carson Wentz: Who should Rams take with No. 1 draft pick?
                        Published: April 15, 2016 at 04:05 p.m. Updated: April 15, 2016 at 04:54 p.m.
                        NFL.com

                        On Thursday, the Los Angeles Rams sent shockwaves through the NFL by jumping from No. 15 in this month's draft all the way up to No. 1. Of course, this move didn't come without a price: The Rams sent the Titans two first-round picks, two second-rounders and two third-rounders over the next two drafts (in exchange for No. 1, No. 113 and No. 177 in this month's event). But the trade puts the Rams in position to (presumably) draft a quarterback to build around as the franchise returns to L.A.

                        It appears that two signal callers have separated themselves from the pack: Cal's Jared Goff and North Dakota State's Carson Wentz. Saturday night at 8 p.m. ET, NFL Network will break down the biggest question heading into the 2016 draft with a special program, "Path to the Draft: Goff or Wentz?" But in the meantime, what do you think? Which of these two QBs should the Rams select at No. 1 overall?

                        Charley Casserly
                        Writer | NFL.com
                        Carson Wentz has more long-term promise, but Jared Goff is the guy for L.A. in 2016

                        I like Carson Wentz over Jared Goff long term, but Goff is a better fit right now. And Los Angeles could indeed be a QB away from being a playoff team -- the Rams have a good defense and a Pro Bowl RB in Todd Gurley. Goff has very good pocket presence -- he sees things quickly and has a quick release. But he does not have a top arm.

                        To be frank, though, I don't think either one of these QBs is an elite prospect.

                        Daniel Jeremiah
                        Writer | NFL.com
                        Wentz is the superior prospect -- in fact, he's better than Blake Bortles was coming out of UCF

                        They should take Carson Wentz. He's bigger, more athletic, has a stronger arm and gained experience in an NFL system while at North Dakota State. He's proven to play his best in big moments, and he's done nothing but win his entire athletic career.

                        Wentz's toughness, competitiveness and football intelligence are off the charts. He's a better player than Blake Bortles was coming out of Central Florida.

                        Gil Brandt
                        Writer | NFL.com
                        I have Wentz rated slightly higher, but I think Goff is a better fit in Los Angeles

                        In my rankings -- which will be released on NFL.com on Monday -- I have Carson Wentz one spot ahead of Jared Goff. But, if I were the Rams, I would go with Goff because of the fact the he was raised in California. He would be much more familiar with the difficulty of movement in Los Angeles, mainly traffic and the pace of living. Goff would have an easier time adapting to the high-intensity way of life in the L.A. area. Moving to California would be a culture shock for anybody who has lived their entire life in North Dakota.

                        Lance Zierlein
                        Writer |...
                        -04-16-2016, 12:21 PM
                      • Nick
                        PFT: Signs point strongly to Jared Goff as the first pick
                        by Nick
                        Signs point strongly to Jared Goff as the first pick
                        Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2016, 10:00 PM EDT

                        Immediately after the Rams traded up from No. 15 to No. 1 in the draft, it seemed that the Rams would select quarterback Carson Wentz. Ultimately, conflicting reports emerged regarding whether the Rams would take Wentz or quarterback Jared Goff — and that’s perhaps exactly what the Rams wanted.

                        As time has passed, a very strong sense has emerged that Goff will indeed be the selection. The decision of the Eagles, who reportedly covet Wentz not Goff, to move to No. 2 suggests strongly that the Eagles know that Goff will be the pick in Los Angeles. Perhaps the only thing that would keep that from happening at this point would be Goff figuratively (or literally) being hit by a bus between now and Thursday night.

                        The clearest sign that Goff will be the guy comes from Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times, who reported after the trade that the Rams were “targeting” Wentz. Farmer has since done a 180.

                        “Although I first thought the Rams’ pick was Carson Wentz, I believe I misread the signs,” Farmer said Sunday on Twitter. “Mark me down for Jared Goff.”

                        Mark me down for Goff, too. If Farmer now believes it, that’s good enough for me.
                        -04-25-2016, 03:59 AM
                      • r8rh8rmike
                        Cal coach Sonny Dykes: Rams 'very wise' to wait with Jared Goff
                        by r8rh8rmike
                        Cal coach Sonny Dykes: Rams 'very wise' to wait with Jared Goff

                        Alden Gonzalez ESPN Staff Writer

                        THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- Cal coach Sonny Dykes learned everything he ever really needed to know about Jared Goff during Goff's freshman season as a teenage quarterback for a program that won only once in 12 tries.

                        "He never blinked," Dykes said in a phone interview this week, days before Goff makes his long-awaited debut for the Los Angeles Rams. "I think we played Ohio State in Game 3 that year, and we weren’t very good, and we were playing with a ton of young players. Bunch of freshmen. Bunch of O-linemen that weren’t ready to be playing, I can promise you that. He got hit a bunch, and I learned that he was incredibly tough physically, incredibly tough mentally. He never complained one time. He just got up, dusted himself off, went back to the sideline and went back to work. And that’s the best thing about Jared Goff."

                        This won't be easy for Goff, the No. 1 overall pick in this year's NFL draft.

                        His own coaches have cautioned as much. Jeff Fisher, who warned against judging Goff solely on the merits of his first game Sunday at home against the Miami Dolphins, said Goff is "going to have some moments, like all young quarterbacks do." Or offensive coordinator Rob Boras, who acknowledged that taking practice snaps is "different than actually playing." And quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke, who talked about how the Rams "have to accept that there’s going to be some bumps in the road."

                        Goff will be tested from Day 1 against a Dolphins team with a devastating front four and standing behind an offensive line that has not performed well this season.

                        One thing that should help him, Dykes believes, is his footwork in the pocket and his willingness to absorb hits, a trait teammates have already picked up on.

                        "When they sat down and looked at all the quarterbacks, I think that’s what made him stand out, made him unique and made him the first pick," Dykes said. "It was his toughness, ability to stand in there and throw the ball with somebody in his face. Also, his ability to shuffle around and create space is pretty unique. The NFL game is different than the college game. Everything has to happen much faster than it does in college, but I’m sure he’s made that adjustment. I think he’ll do a great job."

                        The Rams waited to start Goff largely because he came from an offense in which he did not take a snap from under center and did not call plays from the huddle. Besides getting acclimated to NFL speed, those have been his two biggest adjustments. The system Goff ran at Cal was the pass-happy Air Raid offense that lends itself to gaudy collegiate statistics but traditionally has not produced successful NFL quarterbacks.

                        Goff ran a lot of run-pass options that mostly required


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                        -11-18-2016, 09:42 AM
                      • Nick
                        Rams to meet with both Jared Goff and Carson Wentz
                        by Nick
                        Rams to meet with both Jared Goff and Carson Wentz
                        Posted by Michael David Smith on April 17, 2016, 9:00 AM EDT

                        The Rams are continuing to signal publicly that they remain undecided about who will become the franchise quarterback in Los Angeles.

                        Days after trading up to the first overall pick in next week’s draft, the Rams have scheduled meetings with both Cal quarterback Jared Goff and North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the team is currently leaning toward Goff but wants time to consider both quarterbacks. Other reports have indicated that the Rams are leaning toward Wentz.

                        Some think the Rams knew who they were going to take before they made the trade with the Titans but are just choosing to keep things close to the vest. Even if that’s the case, however, it doesn’t hurt to take a meeting with both quarterbacks and learn a little more about the player they’re not going to take.

                        With the draft now just 11 days away, the suspense won’t last much longer. We’ll see how long the Rams can manage to keep a lid on the identity of their pick.
                        -04-17-2016, 06:44 AM
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