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    Again we all can say... NFC-W Division Leader... How many years have we fans been able to say that even once let alone twice in a season

    What is going on with the Cards? Still can't put a finger on it but for Dallas to rush 3 at Palmer and getting sacks and pressure...? No ground game worth mentioning in either of the Cards meetings with the Colts or Cowboys and brilliant pass plays to only sputter and stall...? It looked like the Cards where alright during the 1st Quarter in their match up with Dallas but after that it was not all down hill but off a cliff. Ok maybe in large part its the Cards OL but despite some great throws from Palmer, his read/recognize/react is off. There one bright spot is they still have a reasonable defense but not near the forum they shown in 2016

    49whiners are still the whiners, though as expected they are not the 2016 pushovers Still 0-3 at least in their losses the 49whiners had a shot to pull it out in the end. In some small part Its my belief they are over achieving based on what they have at key positions. Certainly the 49whiners greatest opponent is their constant break downs in disciple. Its 3rd week on the books but for them they will start winning games. Even though, the Ram's defense made Hoyer look like a Hall of Fame QB, looking at Hoyer's other games against the Squawks and Panthers demonstrated he is not the future for any team in the NFL, no matter how much the 49whiner FO and Coaches put lipstick on that pig. Hoyer needs perhaps one of the best QB Coaches there is in the game to get Hoyer to be an average QB...For not for the 49whiner defense their losses would look far worst. I had predicted the Rams would lose the first matchup and that it would be a trench war--damn if I wasn't completely wrong....and so happy to be wrong

    NO ground game, no Seahawk formula for success in 2017... its back to the drawing board for the Squawks when finding a way to win. They are capable of remaking themselves at this stage where it pass first then run. But the Squawk way for the last 5 years has been Run, run, and then pass playing behind a solid defensive secondary...seems most of the NFL has figured that one out. Its the same scheme on defense that other teams are attempting to use against the Squawks--set the edge with DEs to contain Wilson keeping him in the pocket, while bringing pressure up the middle. Absent of a ground game, this formula seems to be working against the Squawk's offense. When Wilson can see the field he is pretty good at delivering the ball on target, but that pressure up the middle seems to be restricting his view of the field

    What a happy surprise to see the Rams with an offense--and a concerning thought how easily other teams have scored on the Rams. More to the point how easy it is to run the ball on the Rams. Said it once and will say it again, teams will continue to rely on the ground game against the Rams till the Rams prove that is a non-working strategy. Its a sobering thought when down the road the Rams will face teams with a good ground game. My guess is right now the brain trust in the Ram's war rooms are looking at just that...stopping the run!! Oddly with the success of opposing teams steamrolling the Rams on the ground, the skies are friendly to those same opponents .

    Still only week 3 done and gone, its a better feeling then this same time last year

  • #2
    Umm, weren't we able to say that last year between week 2 through week 4 when the Rams went 3-1 ? (I recall Rams held the tie breaker over the seachickens because we beat them week 2 or week 3).


    • #3
      Originally posted by KoaKoi View Post
      Umm, weren't we able to say that last year between week 2 through week 4 when the Rams went 3-1 ? (I recall Rams held the tie breaker over the seachickens because we beat them week 2 or week 3).
      Even if that was accurate would you rather the Rams be in the same situation this year as they where last year? At this moment its uncontested the Rams are division leaders. But the point of this post is the NFC-W and trends... thus far it things are trending well for the Rams...

      The just seems to be something of a glitch with the Cards that isn't getting any better...
      Without a ground game the Squawks' just don't seem to get on track...
      Then there is this QB called Hoyer for the 49whiners and a few other holes...

      It is just wonderful to get out of the shoots and able to ball.... something the Rams for years have struggled with...


      • #4
        It is accurate. I was answering the question you posed in your first line.
        Things definitely feel brighter this time around though.


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        • Ram Dragoon
          Week2...snap shot of the NFC-West
          Ram Dragoon
          Rams at .500 but its only week 2--but damn it felt good for a week to say "Sole Possession" of the NFC-West

          This post isn't so much about the Rams, but how the Rams are stacking up against the NFC-West:
          #1 Squawks
          #2 49whiners
          #3 Rams
          #4 Cards

          #1 Squawks
          #2 Cards
          #3 Rams
          #4 49whiners

          Its ONLY week 2 but there are trends that show the general track of teams. The Rams can't stop a blind mouse in the Running game while struggle with running the ball themselves. Thus far surprisingly the Rams are ok against the pass which I thought things would be the other way around, But a more and welcome surprise is the Rams being able to move the ball through the air and actually score touch downs--something Fisher & Co struggled to do each year.

          Rams VS...

          ...the Squawks...despite Seattle having a better ground game (more consistent) then the Rams and for now have the better QB, it seems teams are figuring out how to deal with R. Wilson...keep him inside the DE and put pressure on him in the center. Its possible Wilson's 5'11 height just might be an issue with him unable to see the whole field--its something teams where starting to do mid-season 2016 and in their last 2 games, that is how thus far he was defensed. However, its on the ground and with the Squawk defense the Rams are likely to struggle against....Washington exposed a serious weakness in the Ram's defense and until the Rams can prove its more a fluke (a one of issue) every team the Ram's will face will attempt to steamroll the Rams on the ground

          Rams VS...

          ...the 49whiners... Simply put the Rams in 2016 should have won both games...still this season the 49whiners have Hoyer as QB and hopefully by the time the Rams meet up with the 49whiners he still will be playing for them. Hoyer is the most inconsistent QB in the NFC-West and their biggest weak link. He has flashes of brilliant plays that often have idiotic plays that follow. With the 49whiners its KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach to games. Run first to set up the pass and play stout defense without taking too many chances. To get to Hoyer, the Rams must put the 49whiers at 3rd and 5+ yards and then come at Hoyer with speed blitz from every angle. With the Ram/49whiner game its is likely to be trench warfare and he who makes the least amount of mistakes wins

          Rams VS...

          ....Cards.... There just seems to be something wrong with C. Palmer--just seems slower and unable to execute the complex schemes the Cards employ. Though still affective, its my guess he will not last the year and suspect the Cards will be in turmoil generally speaking. Only the Squawks have kept some measure of their defense year in and year out but of the other 3 teams, its the Card's defense that has regressed downward the most. All the gut feelings and simple...
          -09-18-2017, 08:57 PM
        • Ram Dragoon
          NFC WEST trending....the cream has risin to the top early
          Ram Dragoon
          The Rams put the hurt on the Cardinals and then rubbed salt in an already struggling team. Palmer if anyone hasn't heard is out.

          For the last 2 seasons the Cards lost something...where prior to that the Cards where one of the top dogs in the NFC-West. I'd like to say its diminished skills of their QB but am thinking its more then that. Its back to the drawing board for the Cards going forward for them.

          While in Northern California, the 49whiners took one in the shorts big time! Where as the Rams decisively defeated the Cowboys, the Cowboys handed the Whiners their heads. Meaning a stable defense closed the victory over the Whiners and a simple two dimensional pass/run combo put on a serious whipping on them. I still don't thin the 49whiners are that bad but their head Coach Shanahan has a lot of work to do--namely getting a QB. It bodes well for the Whiners at 0-6 they are rocketing to the first pick in the draft in 2018. To even catch up in the division the Rams/Squawks have to drop 5 games. Not likely to happen.

          It might seem too early to say stick a fork in the Cards and Whiners but yah--STICK A FORK IN THE CARD'S AND WHINER'S their 2017 season is done

          That leaves the Squawks... they still can make a run for the playoffs; they have an offense and a defense to get them there. Plus for their last 2 games the Squawks where a cake walk...Giants and Dolts. And are due to match up against the Texans & Redskins who are not likely easy games. But every team save the Dolts gave them a game thus far. The trend is other teams using much the same defensive scheme in one form or another to deal with the Squawks, and that doesn't likely to change soon. Against the Texans the Squawks have a reasonable chance for victory, and its a good thing its a home game against the for the Cowboys and perhaps Jags the Squawks thanks to the schedule get to face stronger opponents at home (Texans, Redskins, Falcons, Eagles and Rams are home games for the Squawks). All things being equal, the Squawks have the advantage.

          Rams have five tough opponents awaiting them, Squawks (part II), Vikings, Eagles, Texans and Saints. Its too early at this stage to look too far forward but of those 5 winning teams the Rams have the best chance of defeating the Vikings and Texans. Base on current strengths it should be a royal battle with the Saints and Eagles--perhaps a tossup less other factors enter the calculations...if the Rams meat up with the Titans now it should be a Rams victory.

          But as of this moment the 1st and 2nd spots in the NFC-West are more likely the Rams and Squawks...
          -10-23-2017, 12:43 AM
        • Ram Dragoon
          Chickens are counted WEEK one on the Calendar NFC_West outlook
          Ram Dragoon
          Anyone wish to rank the NFC West going into Week 1 of the 2018 season now that its for real with the 53 man roasters?

          1: Rams
          2: 49whiners
          3: Cards
          4: Squawks

          Am thinking the Rams will have the strongest defense in the NFC West with the 49whiners 2nd. I give the Rams the edge in balanced offense passing/ground game being 2nd in passing behind the 49whiners and 2nd against Squawks on the ground. On paper, the Rams doesn't have to lean on anyone part of either the passing or ground game where as the rest of the division is forced to either because of injury or skill level. Edge to the Rams in special teams being first with the Squawks a close second.

          The "x" factors are the 49whiner "D"...much improved playing with discipline... Cards playing better then they actually are--it just seems a new HC gets a better result his first year... Has the Squawks fixed their offensive woes enough to take pressure off their QB having to be their most reliable playmaker & have the Squawks lost too much on defense... Rams LBs, are they good enough to let the front dominate and the secondary ball hawk; just how prepared is the rest of the NFL and NFC W ready to deal with the Rams Offense now that they have had a year to study McVay and the Rams offense
          -09-03-2018, 05:12 PM
        • HUbison
          Game 8 Opponent Analysis: the Desert Birds
          Well, we made it through (what most considered at the beginning of the season to be) the tough part of the schedule. Now we finally get to open our division schedule against a team who has had some of the same struggles as our beloved Rams. Even down to injured QBs. Here's what I'm seeing:

          The O-line vs. Cards 3-4 blitz: We saw the same thing with the Ravens, Cowboys, and Packers. However, there is no Suggs, Ware, or Matthews on the Cards. In a rarity, the Cards feature 2 3-4 DEs that get good penetration in Campbell and Dockett. But less so on a consistent basis from their OLBs. Bad's a 3-4. Good's the most watered down 3-4 we've seen.

          Rush D vs. ???? - Wells has put together a decent season so far, but is listed as Questionable. If he doesn't go, the pickings are slim for the birds. Of course, we do have a way of making backups look good (DeMarco Murray anyone?)

          Pass D vs. Skelton - When the ball goes in the air, everyone in the world will know the intended target.....Fitzgerald. Fortunately, we have 3 CBs built to take on his physical play: Bartell, Fletcher, and Murphy.........oh, wait a minute.

          Pass Rush vs. Cards O-line - They're giving up 3.5 sacks per game, and I doubt Skelton is going to be completely comfortable back there, especially if Wells can't go. Their interior has played okay, but the OTs Brown and Keith have had their struggles. Might Quinn and Long repeat their performance from last week?

          Pass O vs. Cards DBs - Three of the top four tacklers on the Cards are CBs. That's not a good sign for a D. Because it means two things: 1) the opposing offenses are getting the ball into the secondary consistently, and 2) the opposing receivers are coming down with a lot of passes. Our all-of-a-sudden reborn passing game could take some huge strides forward, though they will do so w/o DX.

          S-Jax vs. Cards Run D - The birds run D has been very solid. AP butchered and the Redskins hit in the mouth pretty good, but they have looked outstanding against some decent ground gaining teams like the Giants, Steelers, and Ravens. The front line does a good job of occupying blockers, and they do a good job of getting their 8th man in the box for run stopping. Jackson might have a hard path to grade this week.

          Bottomline: This is a very winnable game, even w/o Bradford. Peterson has done a good job as a rookie Corner, but other than that they've had a hard time covering opposing receivers. Just find a way for S-Jax to crack that Run D, and they can move the ball on the birds. On the flip side, get to Skelton early and often, and force him to make mistakes.
          -11-04-2011, 06:18 PM
        • dgr828
          By the time Rams get to Phoenix....
          The Cards will open the Roof of the Dome for the 1st time this season. They've won the last six times the roof was open. Rams can't take the Cards lightly. Since these two teams met on opening day, the Cards have struggled with a 3-8 record, the Rams haven't struggled as much and find themselves leading the division.
          The Cards beat the Rams that opening day in St. Louis and probably like their chances when they play host on Sunday.

          The West has become the 'Black & Blue' division. Arizona beats up the Rams, Seattle beats up Arizona, Rams beat up Seattle, Frisco Beats up Rams.
          Every team within the division still has a shot at winning the West, so this game in Phoenix (Glendale, AZ) is so important for the Rams moving forward the rest of the season.
          A win for the Rams keeps them in 1st, in the division and just about eliminates the Cards from the playoff picture.

          The Cards are on a 6 game losing streak, they did; However, beat New Orleans and took the Vikings to OT in Minnesota before losing that one.

          Fitzgerald says he was only 25% on opening day, so look for him to try and have a big day.

          Tim Hightower always does good against the Rams.
          Derrick Anderson probably figures he beat the Rams once this year, that he can do it again.

          So many times this year, the Rams take the lead in the first half of ballgames only the squander it away in the second half. It almost happened again last week in Denver.

          Its a must that Sam Bradford keep putting up the numbers, along with 'Capt. JAX' making the offense balanced and moving the chains.

          Michael Hoomanawanui will be missed greatly, others will just have to step up!

          Will Sam still sport the beard, or is No Shave November over?

          I've always been alittle skeptical of Chris Longs play,BUT you have to admire a guy who's there every Sunday bringing his Hard Hat and lunchpail. I can see C Long breaking out with a big game against the Cards. Would love to see the Rams defense play 4 quarters of hard nose football and be relied upon, especially in the last quarter to protect a lead.

          Josh Brown:SHAKE YOURSELF, PLEASE!!!

          Coach Steve Spagnuolo finally is molding his team and getting them to play to his liking. Surely, he'll have the Rams ready for the Cards as the team heads for the final stretch of the season.

          Get ready RAMFANS! the team is about to get back into PRIMETIME!!!

          -12-05-2010, 02:51 AM