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  • NFC-West week 3

    Again we all can say... NFC-W Division Leader... How many years have we fans been able to say that even once let alone twice in a season

    What is going on with the Cards? Still can't put a finger on it but for Dallas to rush 3 at Palmer and getting sacks and pressure...? No ground game worth mentioning in either of the Cards meetings with the Colts or Cowboys and brilliant pass plays to only sputter and stall...? It looked like the Cards where alright during the 1st Quarter in their match up with Dallas but after that it was not all down hill but off a cliff. Ok maybe in large part its the Cards OL but despite some great throws from Palmer, his read/recognize/react is off. There one bright spot is they still have a reasonable defense but not near the forum they shown in 2016

    49whiners are still the whiners, though as expected they are not the 2016 pushovers Still 0-3 at least in their losses the 49whiners had a shot to pull it out in the end. In some small part Its my belief they are over achieving based on what they have at key positions. Certainly the 49whiners greatest opponent is their constant break downs in disciple. Its 3rd week on the books but for them they will start winning games. Even though, the Ram's defense made Hoyer look like a Hall of Fame QB, looking at Hoyer's other games against the Squawks and Panthers demonstrated he is not the future for any team in the NFL, no matter how much the 49whiner FO and Coaches put lipstick on that pig. Hoyer needs perhaps one of the best QB Coaches there is in the game to get Hoyer to be an average QB...For not for the 49whiner defense their losses would look far worst. I had predicted the Rams would lose the first matchup and that it would be a trench war--damn if I wasn't completely wrong....and so happy to be wrong

    NO ground game, no Seahawk formula for success in 2017... its back to the drawing board for the Squawks when finding a way to win. They are capable of remaking themselves at this stage where it pass first then run. But the Squawk way for the last 5 years has been Run, run, and then pass playing behind a solid defensive secondary...seems most of the NFL has figured that one out. Its the same scheme on defense that other teams are attempting to use against the Squawks--set the edge with DEs to contain Wilson keeping him in the pocket, while bringing pressure up the middle. Absent of a ground game, this formula seems to be working against the Squawk's offense. When Wilson can see the field he is pretty good at delivering the ball on target, but that pressure up the middle seems to be restricting his view of the field

    What a happy surprise to see the Rams with an offense--and a concerning thought how easily other teams have scored on the Rams. More to the point how easy it is to run the ball on the Rams. Said it once and will say it again, teams will continue to rely on the ground game against the Rams till the Rams prove that is a non-working strategy. Its a sobering thought when down the road the Rams will face teams with a good ground game. My guess is right now the brain trust in the Ram's war rooms are looking at just that...stopping the run!! Oddly with the success of opposing teams steamrolling the Rams on the ground, the skies are friendly to those same opponents .

    Still only week 3 done and gone, its a better feeling then this same time last year

  • #2
    Umm, weren't we able to say that last year between week 2 through week 4 when the Rams went 3-1 ? (I recall Rams held the tie breaker over the seachickens because we beat them week 2 or week 3).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KoaKoi View Post
      Umm, weren't we able to say that last year between week 2 through week 4 when the Rams went 3-1 ? (I recall Rams held the tie breaker over the seachickens because we beat them week 2 or week 3).
      Even if that was accurate would you rather the Rams be in the same situation this year as they where last year? At this moment its uncontested the Rams are division leaders. But the point of this post is the NFC-W and trends... thus far it things are trending well for the Rams...

      The just seems to be something of a glitch with the Cards that isn't getting any better...
      Without a ground game the Squawks' just don't seem to get on track...
      Then there is this QB called Hoyer for the 49whiners and a few other holes...

      It is just wonderful to get out of the shoots and able to ball.... something the Rams for years have struggled with...

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      • #4
        It is accurate. I was answering the question you posed in your first line.
        Things definitely feel brighter this time around though.

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        • Ram Dragoon
          Week2...snap shot of the NFC-West
          by Ram Dragoon
          Rams at .500 but its only week 2--but damn it felt good for a week to say "Sole Possession" of the NFC-West

          This post isn't so much about the Rams, but how the Rams are stacking up against the NFC-West:
          Defense:
          #1 Squawks
          #2 49whiners
          #3 Rams
          #4 Cards

          Offense:
          #1 Squawks
          #2 Cards
          #3 Rams
          #4 49whiners

          Its ONLY week 2 but there are trends that show the general track of teams. The Rams can't stop a blind mouse in the Running game while struggle with running the ball themselves. Thus far surprisingly the Rams are ok against the pass which I thought things would be the other way around, But a more and welcome surprise is the Rams being able to move the ball through the air and actually score touch downs--something Fisher & Co struggled to do each year.

          Rams VS...

          ...the Squawks...despite Seattle having a better ground game (more consistent) then the Rams and for now have the better QB, it seems teams are figuring out how to deal with R. Wilson...keep him inside the DE and put pressure on him in the center. Its possible Wilson's 5'11 height just might be an issue with him unable to see the whole field--its something teams where starting to do mid-season 2016 and in their last 2 games, that is how thus far he was defensed. However, its on the ground and with the Squawk defense the Rams are likely to struggle against....Washington exposed a serious weakness in the Ram's defense and until the Rams can prove its more a fluke (a one of issue) every team the Ram's will face will attempt to steamroll the Rams on the ground

          Rams VS...

          ...the 49whiners... Simply put the Rams in 2016 should have won both games...still this season the 49whiners have Hoyer as QB and hopefully by the time the Rams meet up with the 49whiners he still will be playing for them. Hoyer is the most inconsistent QB in the NFC-West and their biggest weak link. He has flashes of brilliant plays that often have idiotic plays that follow. With the 49whiners its KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach to games. Run first to set up the pass and play stout defense without taking too many chances. To get to Hoyer, the Rams must put the 49whiers at 3rd and 5+ yards and then come at Hoyer with speed blitz from every angle. With the Ram/49whiner game its is likely to be trench warfare and he who makes the least amount of mistakes wins

          Rams VS...

          ....Cards.... There just seems to be something wrong with C. Palmer--just seems slower and unable to execute the complex schemes the Cards employ. Though still affective, its my guess he will not last the year and suspect the Cards will be in turmoil generally speaking. Only the Squawks have kept some measure of their defense year in and year out but of the other 3 teams, its the Card's defense that has regressed downward the most. All the gut feelings and simple...
          -09-18-2017, 07:57 PM
        • Nick
          The Rams are first in the NFC West
          by Nick
          Sesttle, Arizona, and San Francisco all lost today, leaving Los Angeles as the lone winning team in the division....
          -09-10-2017, 06:07 PM
        • Ram Dragoon
          Chickens are counted WEEK one on the Calendar NFC_West outlook
          by Ram Dragoon
          Anyone wish to rank the NFC West going into Week 1 of the 2018 season now that its for real with the 53 man roasters?

          1: Rams
          2: 49whiners
          3: Cards
          4: Squawks

          Am thinking the Rams will have the strongest defense in the NFC West with the 49whiners 2nd. I give the Rams the edge in balanced offense passing/ground game being 2nd in passing behind the 49whiners and 2nd against Squawks on the ground. On paper, the Rams doesn't have to lean on anyone part of either the passing or ground game where as the rest of the division is forced to either because of injury or skill level. Edge to the Rams in special teams being first with the Squawks a close second.

          The "x" factors are the 49whiner "D"...much improved playing with discipline... Cards playing better then they actually are--it just seems a new HC gets a better result his first year... Has the Squawks fixed their offensive woes enough to take pressure off their QB having to be their most reliable playmaker & have the Squawks lost too much on defense... Rams LBs, are they good enough to let the front dominate and the secondary ball hawk; just how prepared is the rest of the NFL and NFC W ready to deal with the Rams Offense now that they have had a year to study McVay and the Rams offense
          -09-03-2018, 04:12 PM
        • Ram Dragoon
          NFC WEST trending....the cream has risin to the top early
          by Ram Dragoon
          The Rams put the hurt on the Cardinals and then rubbed salt in an already struggling team. Palmer if anyone hasn't heard is out.

          For the last 2 seasons the Cards lost something...where prior to that the Cards where one of the top dogs in the NFC-West. I'd like to say its diminished skills of their QB but am thinking its more then that. Its back to the drawing board for the Cards going forward for them.

          While in Northern California, the 49whiners took one in the shorts big time! Where as the Rams decisively defeated the Cowboys, the Cowboys handed the Whiners their heads. Meaning a stable defense closed the victory over the Whiners and a simple two dimensional pass/run combo put on a serious whipping on them. I still don't thin the 49whiners are that bad but their head Coach Shanahan has a lot of work to do--namely getting a QB. It bodes well for the Whiners at 0-6 they are rocketing to the first pick in the draft in 2018. To even catch up in the division the Rams/Squawks have to drop 5 games. Not likely to happen.

          It might seem too early to say stick a fork in the Cards and Whiners but yah--STICK A FORK IN THE CARD'S AND WHINER'S their 2017 season is done

          That leaves the Squawks... they still can make a run for the playoffs; they have an offense and a defense to get them there. Plus for their last 2 games the Squawks where a cake walk...Giants and Dolts. And are due to match up against the Texans & Redskins who are not likely easy games. But every team save the Dolts gave them a game thus far. The trend is other teams using much the same defensive scheme in one form or another to deal with the Squawks, and that doesn't likely to change soon. Against the Texans the Squawks have a reasonable chance for victory, and its a good thing its a home game against the Redskins...save for the Cowboys and perhaps Jags the Squawks thanks to the schedule get to face stronger opponents at home (Texans, Redskins, Falcons, Eagles and Rams are home games for the Squawks). All things being equal, the Squawks have the advantage.

          Rams have five tough opponents awaiting them, Squawks (part II), Vikings, Eagles, Texans and Saints. Its too early at this stage to look too far forward but of those 5 winning teams the Rams have the best chance of defeating the Vikings and Texans. Base on current strengths it should be a royal battle with the Saints and Eagles--perhaps a tossup less other factors enter the calculations...if the Rams meat up with the Titans now it should be a Rams victory.

          But as of this moment the 1st and 2nd spots in the NFC-West are more likely the Rams and Squawks...
          -10-22-2017, 11:43 PM
        • Ram Dragoon
          Hybrid verse Conventional: Convention verses Asymmetric
          by Ram Dragoon
          Put 2018 season in the books save for the Championships and Super Bowl, but its safe to conclude the following:

          First up are the hybrid QBs in the league. Watson and Jackson thus far have followed in the foot steps of RG III, Kaepernick, Cordell Stewart, Vick, and Cunningham--they ended up with winning seasons but couldn't get it done when it really matters, the playoffs. Of that list only Kaepernick made it to the Super Bowl (and lost) and is no longer and no long relevant to the game (forget his political views--coaches see the same faults I saw when he was playing; Kaepernick can't read defenses!)

          Only R. Wilson who could be considered a semi-hybrid QB has shown any long term success but when asked to put the game on his arm, he often falls short. There was really no secret why the Squawks adopted a new game plan midseason of run, run and more run first--its because Wilson wasn't getting the job done as a true QB. His legs can buy time to allow him to throw the ball but disciplined defenses maintaining their coverage often would thwart the Squawks passing game. The early part of 2018 season bares that out. With Watson & Jackson their QB skills where questionable and when those skills where needed, they where found wanting. At least Wilson won a Super Bowl. He won one because his running ability was an added asset like Steve Young. Ironically Wilson also lost a Super Bowl because of his arm or lack of QB sills in the waning moments of a Super Bowl.


          Compare all those QBs to the ones who made it to the second round in the playoffs....Goff, Breese, Brady, Prescott, Rivers Mahomes and Luck. Prescott is a poor man's shadow of R. Wilson and is not a franchise QB on any level and was it surprising Prescott failed miserably against the Rams? NO! Lack of a ground game put the ball win or loss squarely on Prescott's shoulders and in his arm. In terms of playoff level of play it was an epic failure along with Luck and Rivers. Perhaps the problem with hybrid QBs is not their athletic talent, but their maturation in developing an understanding of the game, reading defenses, and making pin-point throws. A Goff or a Brady are not going to run for 50 yards in a game, nor is a Rivers or Breeze. They have to get better as QBs because that is all they have as assets as players they have. Its what they learn and don't learn that makes a difference in contender or pretender.

          Why do teams keep going back to the hybrid style of QBs? I really don't know. The Red Skins got one good season out of RG III then bust; The 49whiners got really one good season out of Kaepernick and bust, the same with Cunningham, and a few good seasons with Vick. My memory is foggy with C. Stewart but over all another bust at a hybrid QB. There have been other "mobile" QBs in the league that have made it but as time wears on less and less running for their lives or to make plays. Mahomes will be an...
          -01-13-2019, 03:14 PM
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