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  • Why Has ClanRam's Activity Declined?

    Using my Ronco automatic worm can opener, I'm going to ask a difficult question.

    Why has this site's activity declined in recent years?

    The poll offers several options, and you may select as many as you wish.

    You can also write in reasons.

    The reason I'm asking this now is that I noticed that one of our "competitors," RealRamsFans.com is no more. I don't want to see us go down that road, so I'm offering a way to diagnose the issue.

    I will also say from my part that I won't hold anyone's answer against them.

    So... here we go.
    28
    Its you, Av.
    46.43%
    13
    Members have left for less heavily moderated forums.
    14.29%
    4
    The team has declined, so the board activity has declined.
    10.71%
    3
    Discussions relating to the move from St. Louis to Los Angeles alienated many.
    32.14%
    9
    Too many of the "old guard" who drew people here moved on.
    28.57%
    8
    To many cliques.
    14.29%
    4
    Some other reason (list below).
    42.86%
    12
    Last edited by AvengerRam; -06-07-2018, 01:24 AM.

  • #2
    Oversaturation of non team specific sites I think is one... as well as teams doing a much better job with establishing an online presence. Seriously, looking at the Rams site now, compared to what it was just 5-10 years ago shows a remarkable difference. Where there was nearly nothing before, is now an interactive site that handles high res videos, podcasts, paid staff reporters, ... and other things that are specifically geared towards establishing and maintaining an online relationship with its fans. I think that may have affected some of the volume.

    Oh yeah, and free online porn.


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    • #3
      Sorry folks, I misinterpreted the third option down. So I'd like to deselect my vote here, please. I hope you don't hold it against me AV, but I've got to be honest. Over the years, I feel like you've judged people by your own standards sometimes, which I think has alienated some posters. But even so, your certainly not the reason why numbers have been dwindling. It's a headscratcher to me.!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GroundDog39 View Post
        I hope you don't hold it against me AV, but I've got to be honest. Over the years, I feel like you've judged people by your own standards sometimes, which I think has alienated some posters.
        No offense taken.

        I've absolutely judged people by my own standards. I don't deny that at all. To an extent, we all do. I'd say that, in hindsight, someone who is as opinionated as I can be (both as to content and decorum) probably should not be a Mod. It was too difficult for others to distinguish the times I was speaking for myself from the times I was speaking as a Mod (which is why I ultimately stepped down).


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        • #5
          "The team has declined, so the board activity has declined." [ ??? ]

          Not sure I understand the 'decline' aspect of the team here and its relation with the Clan.


          Hmm, and I thought that our inactivity was mainly due to the Time of the Season! -


          I.E., the time of the NFL season, the reason for the lull. BTW, "Too many cliques" doesn't apply. I think we have an excellent group of fans and posters that aren't shallow enough to form a 'clique' among us.

          Last edited by RealRam; -06-06-2018, 02:47 PM. Reason: BTW

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RealRam View Post
            "The team has declined, so the board activity has declined." [ ??? ]

            Not sure I understand the 'decline' aspect of the team here and its relation with the Clan.
            I was speaking of the team's poor record before 2017.


            Hmm, and I thought that our inactivity was mainly due to the Time of the Season! -

            I.E., the time of the NFL season, the reason for the lull.
            To be clear, I was referring more to the decline on the board over the past few years (we used to have a lot more active members), as opposed to the offseason slow period.

            BTW,

            "Too many cliques" doesn't apply. I think we have an excellent group of fans and posters that aren't shallow enough to form a 'clique' among us.
            Good to hear.

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            • #7
              First off, it looks like RamsRule/The Herd have changed their name (although they still use ramsrule and herd in their url) to RamsFootballFans, but the board is still active as of today.

              Secondly, good question. I must admit, I don't post as much as I used to, but I still try to stay active and post the occasional article. As to why I don't post as much, I see a catch-22. I like spirited debate, but with less people engaging, there aren't many opportunities to have those types of discussions, and so my posting habits have coincided with the drop in activity. That said, I still visit the site every day to see what, if anything is being discussed, and to get breaking news.

              On the question of why ClanRam/RamsNation activity has declined, I think it's a combination of things. One of the biggest factors IMO, was the move. So many members were in the St. Louis area, and most are gone. Something else I always noticed, is that the forum seemed like a place a lot of people came to vent their frustrations (which is why I originally came on-board in 2004 after the playoff debacle against Carolina), and with the team doing well, there isn't as much to complain about. And as with every other aspect of society, facebook, twitter, and the multitude of other social media sites, are dominating on-line activity, leaving less time for a football team message board.

              It's too bad, because I really miss the times when this place was hoppin' on a regular basis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
                First off, it looks like RamsRule/The Herd have changed their name (although they still use ramsrule and herd in their url) to RamsFootballFans, but the board is still active as of today.
                TheHerd (aka TheOriginalHerd/RamsRule) is still around.

                RealRamsFans (a different site that used to be pretty active) is no more.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post

                  TheHerd (aka TheOriginalHerd/RamsRule) is still around.

                  RealRamsFans (a different site that used to be pretty active) is no more.
                  Maybe I should have included confusion as a reason I don't post as much.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post

                    Maybe I should have included confusion as a reason I don't post as much.
                    LOL.

                    Still nice to remember the good old days...

                    Can you believe this was almost 9 years ago?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                      Still nice to remember the good old days...

                      Can you believe this was almost 9 years ago?

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                      Yep, those were the days. I miss them.

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                      • #12
                        I chose Other because there was no "All of the above”option...I will also add there is very little respect for those that aren't "flat topped" football heads that spend months studying the draft, are on several Rams sites, and think of nothing but football. I came and stayed on this site because it used to be open minded to a lot of different opinions, but I don’t see that as much anymore. I also use to learn from others, but now there is little response and often times feedback is negative. I posted a poll once and got slammed because it wasn't done to specifications. I never did one before and gave it a go and got slapped. I can go back to Sunday School for that.
                        Last edited by MoonJoe; -06-07-2018, 10:57 AM.
                        "The disappointment of losing is huge!"

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                        • #13
                          Interesting thread.

                          Here are some of my thoughts:

                          1. I get that you're opinionated (most of us here are). However, there are ways to express one's opinion without over-the-top snarkiness and condescension. I am all for sarcasm, but not when it gets to the point where it kills threads and discussions.

                          I deal with snarky people all the time in my field (whether that be lawyers, fellow bankers, the private equity guys, or our client's management team who think they're big swinging ____). So I enjoy the spar. However, I have witnessed a lot of new members that join that do not know how to handle the combative nature of these discussions and they stop posting before they even reach double-digit posts. Or they just don't care enough.


                          2. It's much more satisfying and cathartic to moan and groan about our team on the message boards then it is to have everyone just saying positive things all the time (yes it's weird...but it's true). There's more drama, more instability, more gray area when your team sucks...and that feeds into more discussions.


                          3. It seems to me that quite a few of the "old guard" have left/are now inactive, and the necessary influx of fresh members is severely lacking. I think the inability for new members to stick can be attributed to a host of reasons, including the reasons I listed above. It really seems as if it's the same 15 people that post nowadays, which is very unfortunate.


                          4. There're more avenues to discuss Rams football now. Facebook, twitter, instagram, and other websites such as TurfShowTimes (which is a solid site),


                          5. Life. And more importantly, life as a fan of a good football team. The past 15 years, we have all shared the same negative emotions that come with being die-hard fans of a struggling football team. There was that common bond and it felt really good to know there were other people in the same boat. Now that the Rams are good, it almost seems like we can finally act like "normal fans"...and concentrate on other things. There is just much less stress and more legitimate hope. And that hope allows us to not have to worry about the Rams all the time, which leads to less activity on the board. It was always a satisfying feeling to come on here and gripe about Linehan, Spagnuolo, and Fisher. No matter everyone's varying opinions on them, it felt good to debate. Now...there's really no need to praise McVay for the 100000th time. We all get it and we all feel it. It's unanimous.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MoonJoe View Post
                            I chose “Other” because there was no “All of the above” option...I will also add there is very little respect for those that aren’t “flat topped” football heads that spend months studying the draft, are on several Rams sites, and think of nothing but football. I came and stayed on this site because it used to be openminded to a lot of different opinions, but I don’t see that as much anymore. I also use to learn from others, but now there is little response and often times feedback is negative. I posted a poll once and got slammed because it wasn’t done to specifications. I never did one before and gave it a go and got slapped. I can go back to Sunday School for that.
                            It’s a multi-choice poll, so you can vote for as many options as you’’ wish.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RockinRam View Post
                              Interesting thread.

                              Here are some of my thoughts:

                              1. I get that you're opinionated (most of us here are). However, there are ways to express one's opinion without over-the-top snarkiness and condescension. I am all for sarcasm, but not when it gets to the point where it kills threads and discussions.

                              I deal with snarky people all the time in my field (whether that be lawyers, fellow bankers, the private equity guys, or our client's management team who think they're big swinging ____). So I enjoy the spar. However, I have witnessed a lot of new members that join that do not know how to handle the combative nature of these discussions and they stop posting before they even reach double-digit posts. Or they just don't care enough.
                              I think you’re being a bit presumptuous here regarding why some newbie members don’t keep posting. To be fair, when I took a year off, the membership (both old and new) continued to decline significantly.

                              I have zero regrets for how I’ve expressed myself here. As I noted above, I probably should have resigned from my Mod role sooner, but I don’t think that is a significant reason why this place has become less active.

                              2. It's much more satisfying and cathartic to moan and groan about our team on the message boards then it is to have everyone just saying positive things all the time (yes it's weird...but it's true). There's more drama, more instability, more gray area when your team sucks...and that feeds into more discussions.
                              That’s never been why I have posted here. To each, his own. Many people have expressed to me that the complaints, pessimism and negativity caused them to stop posting here.
                              Last edited by AvengerRam; -06-07-2018, 01:09 AM.

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                                There are a lot of Rams fan sites on the web. I post on one. This one.

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                                Because this one, at its core, is different.

                                At its core, this is a site where the discussions are a bit more civil, a bit more rational, and a bit more intelligent than what I've seen at other sites (in the case of the PD boards, you can replace the words "a bit" with "a lot").

                                We have our disagreements, no doubt. But that is a good thing. I've disagreed with r8rh8rmike many times over the years, but I consider him a friend. Bigredman loves to take potshots at my optimism, but he's one of the people I look forward to seeing every year at the Bash. Fat Pang and I have butted heads like... well... like a couple of bighorn rams, but I respect him as much as any poster here.

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                                As a Moderator, I accept the "right" to come here for the sole purpose of venting frustration and negativity (provided that the expression conforms with the board's rules).

                                As a long-time poster, who views ClanRam as my internet "home" as a Rams fan, I find the negative interlopers to be a drain on the overall enjoyment of the website. To be honest, in recent weeks, I've entertained the notion that maybe it would be better just to avoid this place until the season starts (at least then we can argue about things that actually matter).

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