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  • Did the Rams make the wrong pick when they drafted Torry Holt?

    Torry Holt had a sensational Rams career. No knock on him. However, i have always believed that the Rams made the wrong pick in that spot. Holt was pick #6. Pick #7 in the 1999 draft was Champ Bailey, who had as good a career as Holt at what i would say is a tougher position to replace (especially for a team that already had Isaac Bruce).

    Let's discuss!

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  • #2
    The Rams selected a CB - Dre Bly - in the second round, so if their goal was to end up with a WR and a CB with their first two picks, they could have selected Holt/Bly or Bailey and Donald Driver (who was the most productive WR taken after the first round). Of course, Driver was a sleeper who outplayed his draft status (7th round pick), so there's no guarantee that the Rams would have taken him.

    Given all that, and considering how exceptional Holt was for several years, I think the Rams made the right call.

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    • #3
      Hard to second guess a guy who was as productive as Holt and a quality individual to boot. And the fact we didn't have a quality WR for any length of time after Holt retired should perfectly illustrate why drafting him should be validated- despite Champ Bailey's impressive career.

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      • #4
        Really don't see the need to second guess - considering how well things worked out. Be thankful !!

        Besides, had the Rams drafted Champ, I'm sure lovie smith would have determined that Champ was not cut out to be a cover 2 corner. Just as he determined London Fletcher was not cut out to be a cover 2 Mike. It would be goodbye Champ just as it was goodbye London.



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        • #5
          NO WAY. Even as a rookie, I always remember the amount of energy Holt brought to the offense. Even as a rookie, Holt was the teams RAH RAH guy and extremely instrumental in leading us to our SuperBowl win.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
            Hard to second guess a guy who was as productive as Holt and a quality individual to boot. And the fact we didn't have a quality WR for any length of time after Holt retired should perfectly illustrate why drafting him should be validated- despite Champ Bailey's impressive career.
            Succinct - spot on!!

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            • #7
              I'm not sure there was a GSOT without Holt. He was the perfect counterpart to Ike, and a vital piece of the puzzle on offense.

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              • #8
                There may well have not been as good an offense, gsot or otherwise without holt, but i think we might have been a better overall team with an absolute stop corner for 10 years. All good points by everyone on the thread, but i think some people might be underestimating how great champ bailey was an how many problems we had with that position for so long, especially after todd lyght dropped off the face of the earth on us.

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                • #9
                  I don't think Torry was the guy who made that offense go, and we still would have won if we had picked Champ. But, I don't think picking Champ wins us more games/championships on his own because our later problems started higher up in the food chain imo

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                    Tory Holt- A lousy draft pick?
                    general counsel
                    I thought it might be nice to post something that takes the debate away from the unmitigated travesty of a sham of a mockery of a debacle that has become the 2011 Rams season.

                    I thought at the time, and i think now, that the Holt pick was awful. The Rams passed on Champ Bailey to take Holt. This is not intended as a knock on Holt, who had a great Rams career, but the Rams were already loaded at receiver at the time and the stop corner (and Bailey was certainly a phenomenal prospect coming out of school) was a greater need for the Rams. Bailey is still going strong and Holt is long gone (and in my view, was extremely successful early in his career in material part because of Ike's prowess on the other side).

                    I appreciate that this is a controversial topic, but i thought it might be fun. Besides, as a HUGE Isaac Bruce fan, i can never get over the ball that "Big Game" failed to catch against Carolina in the playoff game. Ike makes that grab.

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                    -12-05-2011, 12:26 PM
                  • general counsel
                    The gross mismanagement of the Holt situation
                    general counsel
                    Can someone explain to me how the rams could have possibly turned down a #1 pick from tennessee before the trade deadline last year for holt? It is one of the worst organizational decisions i can possibly think of. It was quite obvious that we were going nowhere last near. We started 0-7, won 2 games, but jackson got hurt at the end of the second game, meaning our season was essentially over at that point. Why would anyone advocate keeping holt at that point, who we knew was going to have a major cap issue during the off season, at the expense of a #1 pick.

                    I guess someone can tell me that its only a rumour, but i havent heard either the rams or tennessee deny it and it has been on some pretty reputable sources, including espn.

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                    general counsel
                    -02-25-2009, 10:12 PM
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                    Torry Holt and Champ Bailey
                    Guest
                    My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but given our issues in the secondary, i was just wondering...

                    When we picked holt in the draft, did we pass on champ bailey to do so?

                    If we did, as much as I love torry holt, i think we took the wrong guy.

                    general counsel
                    -11-11-2004, 02:54 PM
                  • HUbison
                    HYPOTHETICAL: IF we traded Holt, what should we get?
                    HUbison
                    Now that the rumor has been thoroughly debunked, let's start a thread that discusses the hypothetical situation of trading Holt. In fact, if you want it can evolve into other big names (Bulger, Jackson, Pace) if you like.

                    Hypothetical Happy-land is now open. Have fun.
                    -03-07-2008, 09:07 AM
                  • bruce4life
                    Imagine if we still had holt on our ballclub...
                    bruce4life
                    What would be different???
                    -10-19-2009, 05:41 PM
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