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  • An Agent's Take on Donald/Rams Situation - Resetting the Non-QB Market

    This snippet comes from a larger article (linked below) written by Joel Corry. He's a former sports agent who helped found Premier Sports & Entertainment, a sports management firm that represents professional athletes and coaches. Before his tenure at Premier, Joel worked for Management Plus Enterprises, which represented Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ronnie Lott.

    Resetting the non-QB market

    It's been a foregone conclusion that Rams interior defensive lineman Aaron Donald and Raiders edge rusher Khalil Mack, who are scheduled to make $6.892 million and $13.846 million respectively this year on their fifth-year options, would eventually become charter members of the $20 million-per-year non-quarterback club. Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie's timetable for a Mack extension has been the 2018 offseason ever since locking up quarterback Derek Carr long-term last summer. Les Snead, McKenzie's counterpart with the Rams, has called a new deal for Donald a major priority.

    The Raiders and Rams having sticker shock is the likely impediment with deals for the 2014 first-round picks. A modest increase over the current non-quarterback standard, which is Broncos linebacker Von Miller at $19,083,333 per year and $70 million in overall guarantees, may not be enough to end the stalemates. The substantial growth in quarterback salaries over the last year with the non-quarterback market remaining stagnant is a stumbling block. It is my understanding that restoring the traditional financial relationship between the highest-paid quarterback and non-quarterback which has existed under the current CBA is an important consideration to the players' representatives. This would mean a contract averaging over $23 million per year with $85 million in guarantees where $65 million to $70 million is fully guaranteed at signing is needed in order to recreate the balance. Not surprisingly, there is reluctance to dramatically reset the non-quarterback market.

    Both Mack and Donald skipped last month's mandatory minicamp. Their absences, especially Donald's, extending into training camp should be expected unless new deals are signed. Donald had a lengthy holdout last year, which lasted until the end of the preseason.
    Full article on numerous contract situations can be found here...

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...ason-business/


  • #2
    As has been pointed out by others, contract management does not seem to be the FOís long suit presently. Everything points to the short-term rather than the long. Whether it be trades or free-agent acquisitions or franchise tags or seemingly confusing non-extensions, Iím not sure that the plan one sees isnít necessarily a myopic one.

    Iím starting to lean towards believing that nothing is going to get done and that AD eventually will be franchised and the Rams will try to milk him for a couple of more years while others are playing on the cheap. Nothing at the moment inspires me to believe the FO truly has a sustainable long term game plan. I suppose if you feel you can win the SB today, who cares about tomorrow. Gumming up this short-term thinking however would be if AD actual holds out into the regular season and through. I guess we will see what we will see.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by adarian_too View Post
      As has been pointed out by others, contract management does not seem to be the FOís long suit presently. Everything points to the short-term rather than the long. Whether it be trades or free-agent acquisitions or franchise tags or seemingly confusing non-extensions, Iím not sure that the plan one sees isnít necessarily a myopic one.

      Iím starting to lean towards believing that nothing is going to get done and that AD eventually will be franchised and the Rams will try to milk him for a couple of more years while others are playing on the cheap. Nothing at the moment inspires me to believe the FO truly has a sustainable long term game plan. I suppose if you feel you can win the SB today, who cares about tomorrow. Gumming up this short-term thinking however would be if AD actual holds out into the regular season and through. I guess we will see what we will see.
      Your arguments actually point to a conclusion different than the one you make. If anything, by not locking AD up to a huge mega contract, the FO is absolutely looking at the long term. They are in fact, trying not to overpay and thus mortgage the distant future by locking AD up to huge guarantees that will hamper their contract management years down the road. If they didn't care about the long term as you suggest, then they'd actually be much more willing to sign AD to the huge deal and move on.

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      • #4
        The absence of a contract for AD at this time does not provide proof that there is a lack of a sustainable long term plan.
        Sorry but AD is an undersized DT who's success hinges on his speed. Not signing him to the wealthiest contract for non-QBs may actually be a very smart plan. Anyone can spend money without a long term plan - look at the Redskins and the signing of Hanesworth.

        Edit: woops - sort of a repost from KoaKoi

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        • #5
          I suppose you both have a point if you equate fiscal restraint with long-term success. Iím not sure that holds true though. But Iíll readily concede inking a mega-deal isnít a guarantee of long-term success either. Personally, I wouldnít break the bank for a DT Ė even a difference-maker like AD. Iíd franchise him and move on if he wants to. Whether the way the FO manages this is characterized as short-sighted or visionary, I think Iíll just leave it as a glass half-full/half-empty scenario.

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          • #6
            Its hard to evaluate any of this at the current juncture.

            The Rams have a lot of key players who will need new contracts in the next 2-3 years and, starting in 2019, they'll have a lot of cap space to accommodate several of these players.

            By this time next year, we'll have a much better idea of whether contracts will be our downfall, or the key to a long-term run.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by adarian_too View Post
              As has been pointed out by others, contract management does not seem to be the FOís long suit presently. Everything points to the short-term rather than the long. Whether it be trades or free-agent acquisitions or franchise tags or seemingly confusing non-extensions, Iím not sure that the plan one sees isnít necessarily a myopic one.

              Iím starting to lean towards believing that nothing is going to get done and that AD eventually will be franchised and the Rams will try to milk him for a couple of more years while others are playing on the cheap. Nothing at the moment inspires me to believe the FO truly has a sustainable long term game plan. I suppose if you feel you can win the SB today, who cares about tomorrow. Gumming up this short-term thinking however would be if AD actual holds out into the regular season and through. I guess we will see what we will see.
              No matter how it turns out, AD will not hold out past the reporting period, as happened last year. Holding out extends his rookie contract, restricting his ability to move on to a team if that is his desire. I know last year had some special factors that changed his required reporting date, but this year I am pretty sure that it is well before 'loading-the-bus-for-the-first-game' like he did last year.


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              • #8
                I think the problem isn't that that non-qb contracts are too low, but that qb contracts are way too high. When you see average QBs like Cousins getting huge deals and guys like Garapaslurpy getting a mega deal for what was essentially preseason, how are superstars at other positions supposed to react? Teams have shot themselves in the foot by allowing qbs to drive up price tags.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DE_Ramfan View Post
                  I think the problem isn't that that non-qb contracts are too low, but that qb contracts are way too high. When you see average QBs like Cousins getting huge deals and guys like Garapaslurpy getting a mega deal for what was essentially preseason, how are superstars at other positions supposed to react? Teams have shot themselves in the foot by allowing qbs to drive up price tags.
                  This is a very legitimate point. QB contracts have always been superior to everything else in the league, and that's all fine and good.

                  But when someone like Stafford - a one time Pro Bowler who is 0-3 in the playoffs - gets $92 million guaranteed, or a guy like Garoppolo - who has made 7 career starts with less than 300 career pass attempts - gets $70+ million guaranteed, then we're getting ridiculous.

                  And yes, in the face of those numbers, you'd better believe the guys who have been absolutely dominant at other positions for multiple years are going to want their mega bucks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nick View Post
                    When you see average QBs like Cousins getting huge deals
                    Cousins is like the 2018 version of Dave Goltz (long time Dodger fans will know what I mean).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nick View Post

                      But when someone like Stafford - a one time Pro Bowler who is 0-3 in the playoffs - gets $92 million guaranteed, or a guy like Garoppolo - who has made 7 career starts with less than 300 career pass attempts - gets $70+ million guaranteed, then we're getting ridiculous.

                      It's almost as bad - but not quite - as the old rookie draft scale. These guys have SOME tape on them so it's not a complete crap shoot but the ramifications of picking the wrong player to gamble on is the same. Which... is why the owners wanted the old rookie scale drafted iic.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nick View Post

                        ...We're getting ridiculous.

                        We are $O getting ridiculous!

                        Again I say, no wonder tickets are ... ridiculously ... expensive. With or without a calculator.

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                        • MauiRam
                          Five questions regarding Aaron Donald's holdout ..
                          MauiRam
                          1) If Aaron Donald sits out the entire 2017 season, is he still a Ram contractually in 2018?

                          2) If the answer is yes, and Aaron were to sit out the entire 2018 season, would he then be a free agent?

                          3) If he is a free agent at the end of 2018, could the Rams still franchise him?

                          4) If the answer is yes, could they franchise him again in 2019?

                          5) If the answer to all four questions is yes, is Aaron out of his mind - or is he trying to get traded to another team?...
                          -09-04-2017, 11:28 AM
                        • AvengerRam
                          Aaron Donald has less than 48 hours of leverage
                          AvengerRam
                          Aaron Donald must report to camp by tomorrow or he will lose a year's credit in the CBA's free agency system. I'm presuming he won't do that, so I expect the holdout to be over soon.

                          That said, the issue won't be resolved if Donald merely reports to camp without a new contract.

                          Its hard to have an opinion regarding the situation, as nobody outside of Rams' Park and Donald's inner circle knows what has been offered and what has been demanded.

                          My opinion, though, is as follows...

                          IF the Rams are offering a "highest paid DT" contract, despite the fact that Donald is still under his rookie deal for two more years, and Donald is holding out for "highest paid player" money, I'd say Donald is the unreasonable one.

                          IF theRams aretrying to use Donald's rookie contract as leverage to lock him into a below market value contract, then I'd say the Rams were being unreasonable.

                          All that said, I really don't expect a long-term problem. Donald is too good a player to let go, and he's not the type of player I'd expect to drag his heels on the field while waiting for a new deal.

                          My prediction: he'll be signed by 5:00 tomorrow.
                          -08-07-2017, 08:19 AM
                        • Nick
                          Day One of the Rams new season has a soap opera feel
                          Nick
                          Day One of the Rams new season has a soap opera feel
                          By VINCENT BONSIGNORE | vbonsignore@scng.com | Daily News
                          PUBLISHED: July 29, 2017 at 10:04 pm | UPDATED: July 29, 2017 at 10:59 pm

                          The day should have been all about new head coach Sean McVay officially putting his imprint on the Rams and the progress of second-year quarterback Jared Goff and all those shiny new pieces added through the draft and free agency.

                          But when the Rams opened training camp Saturday at UC Irvine, the focus was instead on the very important piece to their puzzle that wasnít there and the lock down cornerback who showed up in mind but perhaps not spirit.

                          That would be All-Pro defensive lineman Aaron Donald and cornerback Trumaine Johnson. The former is officially a camp hold out mired in a contract dispute while the later has sized up his own contract situation and decided his Rams future is rapidly coming to an end.

                          And in Johnsonís case, he wasnít shy Saturday about saying so out loud.

                          It didnít exactly turn the bright blue skies hovering over UC Irvine ugly. But the Rams obviously have two tenuous situations on their hands that need attending and managing. And if they donít do it deftly, they could pay a steep price.

                          The absence of Donald wasnít a major jolt, of course. His hold out was established the day before when he didnít report with the rest of the Rams veterans, the result of months of contract talks that havenít yet yielded an acceptable new contract. And while there is strong indication both the club and player are determined to find the common ground necessary to keep Donald in the Rams fold for a very long time, there are enough complicated dynamics and nuances involved in this kind mega NFL contract that the finish line may not come into focus anytime soon.

                          Especially with the situation coming to a head a bit earlier than anticipated. Donald still has two years remaining on his rookie contract, but heís played so above and beyond the value of the contract over his first three seasons he earned a bigger payday sooner than anyone originally imagined.

                          Still, there doesnít appear any panic that something wonít eventually get done.

                          Yet, anyway.

                          Johnson, on the other hand, is a bit more complicated and potentially dangerous.

                          The two-year contract dance heís done with the Rams hasnít resulted in the long-term marriage he hoped for. And just as he played last year under the franchise tag distinction heíll do so again this year.

                          Heís hardly happy with the prospect, making it abundantly clear Saturday he desperately wanted a long-term deal with the Rams.

                          ďI wanted it big time,Ē Johnson said.

                          The lack of securing one after taking two bites at the apple isnít lost on Johnson, and he can only draw one conclusion as a result.

                          The way he sees it, the Rame no longer view...
                          -07-30-2017, 09:00 AM
                        • AvengerRam
                          Has your opinion of Aaron Donald changed?
                          AvengerRam
                          Is his holdout negatively impacting your opinion of AD?
                          No. I blame the team.
                          0%
                          0
                          No. It's just business.
                          41.67%
                          20
                          A little. He must be demanding too much.
                          8.33%
                          4
                          A little. He should be paid, but this is the wrong approach.
                          22.92%
                          11
                          Yes. But I'll get over it when he's back on the field..
                          4.17%
                          2
                          Yes. I think he's being selfish.
                          10.42%
                          5
                          Yes. Trade him.
                          12.50%
                          6
                          -08-16-2017, 07:53 PM
                        • AvengerRam
                          In a game of chicken, neither the Rams nor Donald can win.
                          AvengerRam
                          A lot of the commentary on the Aaron Donald contract situation is based upon assumptions, rather than facts. Some assume that the Rams have not offered Donald his "market value," and that the should just "pay the man." Others assume that Donald is being unreasonable and should "just sign already." I think most of us have been guilty of making these types of assumptions to some degree because, as fans, we just want to see a deal get done.

                          The reality, however, is that we don't know what is being discussed behind closed doors.

                          Here is what we do know:

                          1. Donald's rookie contract runs for two years (including the option year), through the 2019 season [as Nick pointed out, this is not correct - see below.]
                          2. Once his contract runs out, the Rams have the ability to retain him under the franchise tag for up to 3 years (through the 2022 season); and
                          3. Though he ultimately reported and played, Donald has demonstrated the willingness to miss all of training camp and preseason, and two regular season games, in a contract holdout.

                          In light of these facts, its irrational for either side to take a completely hard-line stance. If Donald does so, the Rams can keep him locked up for the prime years of his career without giving him a long-term contract. If the Rams do, Donald can continue to disrupt the team by refusing to go to training camp and holding out into the season.

                          Of the two, the Rams have greater leverage, as Donald would feel the pain of fines/salary loss if he holds out. Nonetheless, he is not without significant leverage (including that which comes from the potential that fans will blame the team if he's not on the field).

                          The two sides need to figure this out and come up with a "fair" solution. The Rams need to accept that Donald is going to command a very large piece of the cap, as his play merits such a payday. Donald needs to accept that he's not a quarterback, and that, as great as he is, the Rams need to save money for other great players.

                          NFL contract mediation services... that could be a good vocation.... hmmm.....
                          -06-12-2018, 12:34 PM
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