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    I watched the entire game late last night. The following are my impressions

    -If Goff gets hurt, we are in deep trouble. I appreciate that is stating the obvious, but watching mannion again last night was really ugly until all the houston backups were in the game, and even then it wasnt great. The way we should all think about it, and this is only in the context of seeing the glass half full, is that theoretically mannion will look a lot better with the starting oline, gurley and the stud wide receivers if goff gets hurt. Unfortunately, last night the pass protection wasnt bad, even against the texans first team, and he still looked lousy, including throwing a horrific INT deep in our own zone. The pass had absolutely zero chance of being completed and was a rookie read mistake.

    -The first team defense played two series. Allowed no first downs (although there was a catchable ball that the houston guy missed that could have been a first). Kong Suh absolutely leveled Watson which resulted in an interception by joyner who made a nice play on the ball. Clean hit, great to see. Can't wait to see Kong and Donald together. The kong signing looks brilliant to me in part because the front office knew signing donald was going to be a problem. Imagine where we would be on the dline if we didnt have kong right now.
    Price was dominant rushing the passer in garbage time
    -Notebook looked pretty good to me blocking even against the houston first team defense. I am rapidly becoming a big fan of his future with the squad
    -Kelley had a very impressive 15 yard td run
    -pharoah cooper had a nice move for a td catch where he was open and mannion hit him. He also had a brutal drop earlier in the game
    -Sam Shields had an excellent jump on the ball for an INT. that signing could be outstanding.
    Nice to see longacre get a sack

    I didnt see anyone with any major injuries. Mundt the tight end rolled an ankle and Davis, the defensive lineman limped off early but it didnt appear serious.

    Ramming speed to all

    general counsel
    Last edited by general counsel; -08-26-2018, 09:13 AM.

  • #2
    I would say the verdict is in on Mannion, heading into his 4th season, that he is below the level of a serviceable QB that you can win games with in this league. You can tell from McVay's language and demeanor that he sees he has a serious weakness at backup QB. I will not be at all surprised to see some moves/shuffling at that position in connection with final cuts. Allen is no shooting star, but has more athleticism and upside and knows the offense. I won't be surprised to see Mannion let go, and Allen promoted to #2, for the time being. If they get a chance to sign a solid vet backup, they probably will, and when that vet has his arms around the offense, Allen could well be released too. Look for McVay to draft a prospect in 2019 that he likes for development. If he puts Perez on the practice squad, we'll know he sees developmental potential in him too.

    I totally agree with you: if Goff goes down, our prospects this season go way down.

    With the D looking solid, even second string looking like it has some players, and Suh apparently primed to terrorize opposing O linemen and QBs, it will be most interesting to see how the Donald drama plays out over the next couple weeks. The Rams appear to me to be in a strong negotiating position and I can't see them buckling (from wherever the parties currently stand), and the ball appears to be in Donald's court as to whether he wants to play (for handsome compensation) or not. If not, I can think of very good uses for that salary cap space going forward (Goff, Peters, Suh, Joyner). And the Rams may be thinking about it that way as well, at this point.


    • #3
      I honestly don't see the the dire nature in keeping Mannion. He's been inconsistent, and the pick was an absolutely horrible decision, but he showed he can move the offense when he gets into a rhythm, and didn't fall apart after the interception. With the talent on offense, he's serviceable, and IMO he'd be able to win games. Anything is possible, but I'd be very surprised if the Rams make a move to replace Mannion.

      Obviously you have to take what McVay says with a grain of salt, but here's what he said about Mannion in the post-game presser:

      ”Well, I think if the one thing that you could take away that says a lot about him is it didn’t start out great, but we always talk about how do you respond from some adversity? I thought he did an excellent job with that. A lot of times when the game starts out the way that it does, it’s easy to kind of let it snowball. He certainly didn’t do that, found some completions. Want to say that he ended the half with seven completions in a row and a couple touchdown drives. So, certainly pleased with that. We’ll go back and look at the tape and see how we can try to start fresh, start sharp right from the beginning. But, I was really pleased with the way that he responded and didn’t kind of let that snowball. I think that says a lot about (QB) Sean (Mannion).”
      Once Donald is back, the defense is going to be scary good. Talib and Peters are going to make a huge difference, and I like what I see from the LB's.

      John Kelly is a keeper.

      What were the refs smoking when they called for a review of Cooper's TD?


      • #4
        Hey guys keep this in mind....the Ravens defense got even Trent Dilfer a Super Bowl ring. And that was damn hard thing to accomplish. So if Goff gets hurt there is yet another option to making it to the big dance

        It still was a vanilla game with a few sprinkles of sugar here and there. Its still too early to tell considering Texans really didn't try to press the Rams LBs in pass defense--my guess being that will be every Ram's opponents' game plan from the start to the end of the season because that seems to be the weakest link to the Rams defense on paper. Anyone who has a TE with hands and/or a RB who can catch with a WR dragging the slot seems to be an affective solution to the Ram's D...again on paper

        On offense tis mostly last seasons playbook (maybe). Crisper rout running and familiarity with the plays being called marks an improvement, that much is evident. Of course T. Austin plays are all but absent so there has to be something new in the playbook we haven't seen yet (I hope).

        The only knock I can say about the Rams save its backup QB is it seemed McVay, knows who his core players are but is still looking for those to round out the rest of the team especially on offense. He's got a few good surprises on defense that will make the cut, but I think Mannion's inability to execute isn't giving McVay clear enough picture to evaluate the rest of the offense


        • #5
          Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
          I honestly don't see the the dire nature in keeping Mannion. He's been inconsistent, and the pick was an absolutely horrible decision, but he showed he can move the offense when he gets into a rhythm, and didn't fall apart after the interception. With the talent on offense, he's serviceable, and IMO he'd be able to win games. Anything is possible, but I'd be very surprised if the Rams make a move to replace Mannion.
          I don't disagree that jettisoning Mannion is not a "dire" matter, because it's late in the game, and at present there aren't any better options available for this season, certainly the first part of the season. He may well be kept as the #2 this season. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me to see it addressed at final cuts. It's a weakness, and the team should take advantage of a reasonable opportunity to upgrade for this season, if one presents itself. Otherwise, I expect the position to be targeted for upgrade next offseason.

          But hey, the good news is that right now Goff is fresh, healthy and still in the wrapper. And we're almost done having to watch the second and third string offense.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Seacone View Post
            But hey, the good news is that right now Goff is fresh, healthy and still in the wrapper. And we're almost done having to watch the second and third string offense.
            Let's just hope Goff's game instincts and feel are in tune come Monday against the Faiders.


            • #7
              One other thing to keep in mind. THere may be other qb's that are "better" than mannion that become available, but cutting mannion would mean that we would have no viable qb on the roster that actually knows the playbook and that doesnt happen over night. Hard enough for other position players to step in, but at qb, darn near impossible in the very short run. thus, lets just all pray for goff and for that matter the entire o line's health.

              I repeat my prediction. The key to this season is the health of the oline.

              ramming speed to all

              general counsel


              • #8
                I totally disagree with McVay's decision to give Goff, Gurley, and the entire receiving corps virtually zero reps in the pre-season. When you look around and see dozens of first team, established offensive players in this league that have been given meaningful playing time- especially in their 3rd pre season game- I question this philosophy, and the argument about injuries rings hollow. Eli Manning played the entire 1st half the other night. You think he needs to be out there? He's a 14 year veteran who's won two Super Bowls. If the Rams start their season playing poorly and/or have a sub par record, you can point to this as a reason. That said, it's McVay's call, and he's earned some trust off last year's success. I hope his decision proves to be a wise one.

                Hard for any fan to determine whether the 2nd or 3rd string QB is the better player to keep on the basis of performance in pre-season games. But I see nothing from Mannion that suggests he's gonna' go out there and successfully mind the store in a regular season game if Goff goes down, heaven forbid. Contrast the Rams QB situation with the Jets, who have their hopeful franchise QB Sam Darnold plus Teddy Bridgewater and Josh McCown. Or Minnesota last year with Sam Bradford and Case Keenum. Or dare I say it Carson Wentz and Nick Foles in Philly. I've said it before: you need a good back-up if your starter goes down and you wish to still have a season.


                • #9
                  Yeah as really think that if Goff goes down for 2018. It would be really very hard and must rely upon the defense. And Gurly getting it done. But really need a capable backup like Eagles with Nick Foles.
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                  • #10
                    Any NFL team that loses their starting QB for an extended period of time is in trouble. The Rams would be no different. A team that has one of the top young QBs, one of the top RBs in the league, and the reigning Defensive POY, there's not going to be a lot of room to also have a starter-caliber QB sitting on the bench. That's just football.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.


                    • #11
                      Love you big bison, but the defending super bowl champion lost their starting qb for an extended period of time and won it all anyway. I dont think that would have happened with sean mannion as the backup. That being said, your point in general terms is a fair one.

                      Ramming speed to all

                      general counsel


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by general counsel View Post
                        Love you big bison, but the defending super bowl champion lost their starting qb for an extended period of time and won it all anyway. I dont think that would have happened with sean mannion as the backup. That being said, your point in general terms is a fair one.

                        Ramming speed to all

                        general counsel
                        Did you see Foles' performance on Saturday? Pretty dreadful. Here was the NBC Sports headline after the game: "Nick Foles closes preseason with another disasterous performance"

                        Foles had a solid regular season run, and a great game in the Super Bowl, but I'm not sure I'd be confident he could do it again. He regularly has games where he reverts to the St. Louis Rams Nick Foles.

                        As far as the Rams winning a Super Bowl with Mannion? The odds would be against him, just as they would be against most NFL backups, but if the guys out there with him played to the best of their ability, and Mannion had to merely manage the game, anything would be possible.


                        • #13
                          I agree with the concerns about the back-up QB being Mannion. The reality is if McVay feels good about Allen then I'm on board. Remember we lost our QB coach (Olsen), so a developmental QB could be risky and grabbing a veteran could be too costly, especially with AD getting close to inking a $22m/year deal. Foles looked like Foles the other night so let's not fool ourselves into thinking a back-up could win the SB for us. The truth is if Goff goes down, so does the season, pretty much.

                          A player I thought stood out to me was Micah Kiser. He played against the 3's and 4's but he looked real good in the middle stopping the run and tipped a pass into an incompletion. I'm not saying he should start, but he's a keeper for the future of our LB corps.

                          What can I say about John Kelly that hasn't be said. What a gem. He will be a real threat in support of Gurley. He seems the perfect blend of Malcolm Brown (power) and Justin Davis (elusive).

                          I agree with NJ who is concerned that McVay has rested the offensive starters all pre-season. It would have been good to give Goff and the WR's some game action, especially Cooks who needs to get in sync with Goff. I would have liked to see Goff and Hodge work some plays together. Hodge is another budding talent.

                          We seem to be rounding into shape nicely after a horror show in Baltimore.

                          Go Rams!


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mde8352gorams View Post
                            The reality is if McVay feels good about Allen then I'm on board.
                            If McVay feels good about Mannion, which by all indications he does, are you on board?


                            • #15
                              I agree with careful I am not a supporter of being scared. We shall see in two weeks.


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