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  • Has it really been...

    Has it really been 2 seasons under McVay and some are saying Rams and Super Bowl in the same sentence?

    Going down memory lane is like revisiting ones nightmares with Fisher, Spags, and Linehand. Sure lots of faces on the team have come and gone. But who remains on the Rams roaster from past failed HCs. What a difference it makes with the HC. Normally a re-build is a 3-4 year project and even then it still may not come together. Perhaps some credit is owed to the past.

    Goff is shaping up to being an elite QB
    Gurley is on everyone's fantasy leagues wish list
    Donald is the envy of al the other 32 teams

    Going forward, it will be interesting to who will be on the Rams team and how it will change...but hopefully as a lesson well learned the Rams will think HC first since its the HC that puts all the bits of the machinery together to get it to work

  • #2
    Jeff Fisher had a good nose for talent. By my count, even in this second full season since his departure there are 19 guys on our current roster that he brought aboard, 13 of whom are first string. That includes Brockers, Donald, Goff, Gurley, Havenstein, Higbee, Joyner, Littleton (UDFA), Longacre (UDFA), Hekker (UDFA) and Zuerlein.

    So, fairness requires that he be given credit for his significant role in building the current Rams' roster. However, when looking at the offensive players he brought on, you only see one current offensive line starter and no wide receivers. And he had a bunch of big misses at these positions. He just didn't have any special understanding about the offensive side of things in the modern NFL. And the main reason he failed as our HC is that he refused to "share power" with a top notch OC./offensive mind who could help him establish an effective offensive scheme and bring in the right players to execute it. (I really wonder where Goff and Gurley would be now if they were still playing for Fisher.)

    So, one of the main reasons that McVay has been able to have such immediate success (i.e., to your point, in his 1st season rather than 3rd) is that he has been able to make use of the good players that Fisher brought in, and add his own coherent (even brilliant) offensive scheme, and then work effectively with Snead to immediately fill out the roster with the right players to make it go. It's been something special to watch McVay execute this reclamation project.

    At the end of the day, give the FO credit for the quick turn-around. They saw that we weren't going to get there with Fisher (notwithstanding that he did have success in some areas), recognized McVay's talent and potential, and took a chance on a young, talented coach.


    • #3
      27 men have held the title of Rams Head Coach. Of those 27, Sean McVay's .750% is tied for first with Adam Walsh. There have been 7 HOF'er and/or World Champion coaches in the Rams history and NONE of them have a higher win/loss percentage than McVay. He's already 12th in Wins among the Rams HC's.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.


      • #4
        I was ready to dump Fisher 2 seasons before the Rams did fire him... Yes he has an eye for talent. Look how many former Rams are on other teams and making serious Bank for their services. Just with Fisher it was his assistant Coaching staff I saw as being the biggest problem along with Fisher's unimaginative approach to modern football. Sorry but his son had no reason to be on the coaching staff...and it was evident from the start Fisher's OC where total duds

        Perhaps "luck" is also a requirement to being a head coach as well as an eye for talent. Carrol got lucky with a 3rd round draft pick in Wilson, though I think Wilson will never be another A. Rogers or D. Breeze. But get the right coach with the right mix of players and magic can happen. I wonder how McVay would have worked had be become coach of Buffalo--I don't think there is much to work with in Buffalo--LOL! But with the Colts--there is something to work with, had McVay found his way in their camp.


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        • r8rh8rmike
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        • viper
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          At the risk of getting ahead of ourselves, it’s time to get ahead of ourselves.

          That means it’s time to stop pretending or skirting or avoiding.

          Be it out of fear of jinxing, the other shoe falling or having been burned and hurt so many times before simply protecting yourself from getting your hearts ripped out and trampled upon again.

          It’s time to embrace and accept reality. And own it.

          The Rams are a legitimate playoff contender.

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        • Nick
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          Any team (subject to the ability to clear cap space), can try to make a big splash in FA by offering a lucrative contract to a well-know, big-name FA. While fans and the media will often praise moves of that type, there are countless examples of FAs who didn't pan out, or who ultimately because high-priced anchors on their new teams.

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          Andrew Whitworth's signing was definitely a splash. Over the next year or two, he will likely be a stabilizing force on the Rams' OL (not to mention Jared Goff's best friend!). The Rams are paying him well, but in a couple of years, when age may catch up with him, the Rams won't be saddled with a long-term deal. Similarly, John Sullivan... another key short term addition, was signed to a one-year deal that gives the Rams time to groom a long-term solution at the center position.

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          Will all this work? Who knows, but I have to say that its nice to be able to look at an approach and discern the logic behind it. I often did not feel that way when it came to personnel moves under Jeff Fisher. McVay seems to be a man with a plan.
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