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    Brown has an injured clavicle. Same injury as Woods had last year. May well miss some time. Big loss, especially in pass protection and on special teams. Kelly and Davis will fill in. More workload for gurley, especially on third downs. Let's hope that we can get him back soon, i really hope we dont have to put him on IR, a guy that will help in the playoffs.

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    This is a HUGE loss for our Rams.

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    • #3
      We'll definitely feel this one. Hope the other backs can step up to fill that void behind Gurley.

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      • #4
        Well, the organization seemed pretty high on Kelly at the beginning of the year. Hopefully, he can re-gain that confidence.
        The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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        • #5
          From a special teams and pass blocking perspective, this is a pretty significant loss.

          However, from a pure run game standpoint, Justin Davis and John Kelly (especially) bring more to the table. This could be the point where we start to see more Kelly and I wouldn't be surprised if he did very well.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HUbison View Post
            Well, the organization seemed pretty high on Kelly at the beginning of the year. Hopefully, he can re-gain that confidence.
            I don't believe there is any issue of loss of confidence in Kelly. He's just a rookie and the 4th RB on the roster; so he hasn't gotten near the field with Gurley and Brown both healthy. It will be interesting to see whether Davis or Kelly gets the first crack as TG's relief. My vote is for Kelly, who looked quite dynamic when he was getting snaps in the preseason. And I'm still spooked about Davis' ball security problems last season. Both will likely will be active now, and involved on special teams too. All the contending teams have to rely on their depth at some point and to some extent, and many teams have several effective RBs. It's time for these guys to step up and earn their keep.

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            • #7
              I think seacone is right, kelly will be the first backup. Point number one for either of these guys- DONT FUMBLE. Point number two-pass protection/blitz pickup. It might even mean more tight end blocking rather than receiving on third downs.

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              • #8
                brown is out for the rest of the regular season

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                • #9
                  Reynolds stepped in for Kupp. He is not Kupp but he no slouch. I liked Kelly in the pre season. I am sure he who steps up will be fine.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by general counsel View Post
                    brown is out for the rest of the regular season

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                    Yep, "AT LEAST" the rest of the reg season. Huge loss. Echo the ball security concerns, especially with Davis. He still scares me!

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                      happy to see Kelly get some playing time, but seems a little odd that McVay has not found a way to get him some playing time already. we still run all these stupid Fisher-esk jet sweeps all day long and can't find a way to use Kelly in the same way the Saints use Kamara??

                      I get that the 11 man formation makes it easy to go no huddle and keep the same guys on the field, as well as run different plays from the same formation, but how about we do that 80% of the time instead of 98% of the time and use some 2 back formations (with Kelly like the Saints) or two TE formations (like the Patriots do).

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                        We dont use the 11 man situation now anywhere near as often with Kupp out. That is the single biggest impact of the Kupp loss in my view.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by renrawtruk View Post
                          happy to see Kelly get some playing time, but seems a little odd that McVay has not found a way to get him some playing time already. we still run all these stupid Fisher-esk jet sweeps all day long and can't find a way to use Kelly in the same way the Saints use Kamara??

                          I get that the 11 man formation makes it easy to go no huddle and keep the same guys on the field, as well as run different plays from the same formation, but how about we do that 80% of the time instead of 98% of the time and use some 2 back formations (with Kelly like the Saints) or two TE formations (like the Patriots do).
                          You are second guessing the coach who got us to this point?

                          Me? am sitting back and enjoying the ride
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                          • #14
                            As long as its not broken, rest should help him get back in time for the playoffs, lets hope. Those jet sweeps work well in catching defenses off guard. It adds another factor for them to consider as the snap approaches. The reason they work better now is we don't have Tavon Austin trying to reverse field and get downed for a loss.

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                              Originally posted by mde8352gorams View Post
                              As long as its not broken, rest should help him get back in time for the playoffs, lets hope. Those jet sweeps work well in catching defenses off guard. It adds another factor for them to consider as the snap approaches. The reason they work better now is we don't have Tavon Austin trying to reverse field and get downed for a loss.

                              Go Rams!
                              I actually think that it works now because we're not facing 11 man fronts with absolutely no receiving threats on the field. Also, you never know which player is going to get the jet sweep. When Tavon was on the field we all knew he was getting it. Slightly off topic but don't we miss running Tavon up the middle for 2 yards?

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                                Per ESPN, malcolm brown apparently suffered a knee injury and may need surgery. Bummer, he was running hard and was a solid backup and special teams guy. Dunbar has been practicing and we have until the end of next week to bring him back from the PUP, or we can go with justin davis as the backup (which is highly suspect to me given limited pass blocking skills and fumble issues, also, he is not a big back). The injury must have happened at the very end of the giants game, maybe on the play where brown fumbled at the end but we recovered.

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