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  • ManofGod
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    I agree 100%. Here's looking to next year.

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  • NJ Ramsfan1
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    Originally posted by ManofGod View Post
    Watching the superbowl was so frustrating, but what is beginning to be more puzzling is that McVay continues to make the same mistakes over & over again, and refuses to adapt his scheme. He is a very intelligent coach, so is this a case of ego as it was with Martz???
    It's both a fair and interesting question. My gut tells me that McVay is not an egotist in the mold of Mike Martz. He seems grounded and displays maturity. I just think his offensive convictions sometimes create a kind of tunnel vision where he's reluctant to change it up. If a team is stopping the pink elephant, you have to mix in a red giraffe somewhere- not just assume the pink elephant will eventually work. Acknowledging something isn't working is not a sign of weakness, it's an intelligent first step in making the adjustments needed to win a ballgame.

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  • ManofGod
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    Watching the superbowl was so frustrating, but what is beginning to be more puzzling is that McVay continues to make the same mistakes over & over again, and refuses to adapt his scheme. He is a very intelligent coach, so is this a case of ego as it was with Martz???

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  • r8rh8rmike
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    Originally posted by Curly Horns View Post
    Of course you do. Just as I have a right to vent and voice my frustration with the way it's being done. I'm a RAMS fan too !!
    I couldn't agree more.

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  • Curly Horns
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    Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    I think we fans have a right to vent and voice our frustrations.
    Of course you do. Just as I have a right to vent and voice my frustration with the way it's being done. I'm a RAMS fan too !!

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  • r8rh8rmike
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    Originally posted by Curly Horns View Post
    This is all well & good, although it does not take into account unpredictable circumstances and failed execution by individual players.

    NE had a fifth ranked offense during reg season and ended up #1 during post season.

    The game was a stalemate until roughly 8 mins to play. NE just happened to execute a few more plays successfully. No mention or analysis on why NE's high powered offense stalled and failed. So, McVay ends up having to play the part of a fool while his own fans dog pile on. You'd think they lost the game 50-0.

    He's already admitted he made mistakes.

    I guess the best thing to do in light of that is to keep kicking the guy while he's down and hail belicheat as genius?
    We just lost a winnable Super Bowl, wasted a stellar defensive performance, and watched our All-World RB spend most of the game on the sideline, while our QB said he would "love to get [Gurley] the ball," but added, "That's not my decision." EPIC FAIL, from the top, where the buck stops.

    I think we fans have a right to vent and voice our frustrations.

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  • Ewreck
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    Originally posted by isaacbruce4ever View Post
    do you realize that on one of those, the defender was pulling his arm down before the ball got there?
    I do. Hence the word "great" before the word catches. I didn't say he should of caught em, just pointing out none of these discussions would be currently taking place "if" that occurred. Bottom line is the Rams offense was offensive.

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  • isaacbruce4ever
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    Originally posted by Ewreck View Post
    And yet if our WR make a couple great catches..........
    do you realize that on one of those, the defender was pulling his arm down before the ball got there?

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  • NJ Ramsfan1
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    Originally posted by Curly Horns View Post
    This is all well & good, although it does not take into account unpredictable circumstances and failed execution by individual players.

    NE had a fifth ranked offense during reg season and ended up #1 during post season.

    The game was a stalemate until roughly 8 mins to play. NE just happened to execute a few more plays successfully. No mention or analysis on why NE's high powered offense stalled and failed. So, McVay ends up having to play the part of a fool while his own fans dog pile on. You'd think they lost the game 50-0.

    He's already admitted he made mistakes.

    I guess the best thing to do in light of that is to keep kicking the guy while he's down and hail belicheat as genius?
    I've respected your opinions over the years and agree with you much more often than not, Curly, But I disagree with your stance here. When you've averaged 30 points a game for the bulk of your season and put up a "3 spot" in the Super Bowl, there should be every expectation fans will express bewilderment and frustration for the team's failure in a game where the defense played well enough to win. This wasn't merely a game where we were held a little below our average, we played as putrid an offensive game as anything we've seen since the Fisher era. For a guy known as an offensive genius, McVay did a poor job of putting his offense in a position to be successful. Sunday's performance was not only totally unexpected but totally unacceptable.

    Furthermore, his repeated comments justifying Gurley's lack of use as "a flow of the game" issue are maddening. I'm hard pressed to remember any recent games where a team's best player was totally marginalized by coaching decision in both a conference championship and Super Bowl. If true, and Gurley really isn't hurt, this is both baffling and alarming.

    I'm on record as saying I like McVay and respect the hell out of the job he's done the past two seasons. That doesn't mean he's immune from criticism when it's warranted. Nobody is piling on. They are merely responding to a Twitter thread that (rightly) reflects on the role a lack of offensive adjustments played in us losing the Super Bowl.

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  • Curly Horns
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    This is all well & good, although it does not take into account unpredictable circumstances and failed execution by individual players.

    NE had a fifth ranked offense during reg season and ended up #1 during post season.

    The game was a stalemate until roughly 8 mins to play. NE just happened to execute a few more plays successfully. No mention or analysis on why NE's high powered offense stalled and failed. So, McVay ends up having to play the part of a fool while his own fans dog pile on. You'd think they lost the game 50-0.

    He's already admitted he made mistakes.

    I guess the best thing to do in light of that is to keep kicking the guy while he's down and hail belicheat as genius?

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  • mh-i
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    Definitely puzzling. I was hoping the Rams would start the game with both Gurley and Anderson in the backfield or at least go to it after it was obvious that the Patriots game plan was to make the Rams offense 1 dimentional which McVay played right into with his game plan.

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  • Ewreck
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    And yet if our WR make a couple great catches..........

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  • r8rh8rmike
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    Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
    To not make adjustments and defend it by saying "well this is what we do" is stubborn and stupid. As a coach, I do believe in staying true to oneself and not totally deviate from what you normally do, but to not make necessary adjustments or recognize what your opponent is doing is inexcusable. This is what "coaching" is. Football, more than any other sport, is a game of adjustments and match-ups. One must identify what their opponent's trends and tendencies are and react accordingly.
    Spot on points. What McVay did was bizarre, and made no sense. Even more bizarre, is the fact that McVay repeated the exact same mistakes Mike Martz made 17 years ago against Belichick, and defended his failures to adjust with virtually the same excuse, "this is what we do".

    McVay is obviously smart, talented, and a difference maker. Hopefully, moving forward, he's learned an extremely hard lesson from Super Bowl 53, and the Rams will find the ultimate success in the coming years.

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  • Seacone
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    As the days have gone by since "Super Sunday", my immediate frustration and disappointment with our offensive performance in that game has turned into a stone in my gut. Just no way at all to end such a great season (which is how it felt when it was over last season also). To some extent, I am just mystified as to how that happens. I guess the official line is … inexperience. I don't know. Other inexperienced Super Bowl competitors haven't laid this kind of egg at the game (Last year's Eagles, for example). A world-beating offense arrives at the Super Bowl, and then runs around in confused circles for a few hours. Bizarre and a shame. I hope, and expect, that McVay and his staff feel that failure and shame, and commit themselves to understanding exactly what went wrong and what they need to do to avoid a repetition if and when the next opportunity comes. This isn't something to be shrugged off and attributed to inexperience that'll take care of itself.
    It's a coaching issue/opportunity.
    It needs to be analyzed, understood and addressed in the approach going forward.

    Loved the ride, but upset about the final destination. I'll feel better when the next cycle begins.

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  • NJ Ramsfan1
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    Interesting indeed. To not make adjustments and defend it by saying "well this is what we do" is stubborn and stupid. As a coach, I do believe in staying true to oneself and not totally deviate from what you normally do, but to not make necessary adjustments or recognize what your opponent is doing is inexcusable. This is what "coaching" is. Football, more than any other sport, is a game of adjustments and match-ups. One must identify what their opponent's trends and tendencies are and react accordingly. This video shows the Rams didn't do so on Sunday. And THAT is why McVay was outcoached.

    I like McVay and appreciate what he's brought to this organization in a very short time. He's the absolute right coach for us. That said, he's got some things to digest to become better. The downside of early success is that the bar is raised quickly. And fans will be much less forgiving of the same mistakes moving forward.

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  • macrammer
    It has been a week......
    by macrammer
    Ad reflection is good. This year brought so much joy and excitement. Things I had forgotten in all of our bad years from basically 1990. But I still cannot shake the bad taste in my mouth from a very winnable SB game.

    Upon my reflection, I was wondering.....would Rams had been better exiting after NFC Championship game? I mean we played tough in a hostile environment and came back from 13-0. A loss there would still have hurt but at least we went out fighting. Maybe the Rams were just not ready for that stage? And it is not a foregone conclusion we will be back soon.

    We laid a huge egg in the SB. There is no doubt about it. I hope we can recover and survive the scrutiny.

    Things I really enjoyed this season:c

    Texting my clan Ram buddies during the games
    Watching non televised games with my son at sports bar
    Expecting us to win each week
    Watching NFC Championship game in Kauai
    GC's Good Bad and Ugly
    Cooper Kupp, Corey Littleton emergence
    Clan Ram

    Life's scars have left me with greater perspective now then when I was a younger man. Life does that to you. I can say thanks to Rams for a great season but dang. If only..........
    -02-10-2019, 05:42 PM
  • cowboyhater
    Connor Barwin holding out for Super Bowl contender
    by cowboyhater
    Connor Barwin holding out for Super Bowl contender
    • By Chris Wesseling
    • Around the NFL Writer
    • Published: July 11, 2018 at 02:45 p.m.
    After starting 109 of a possible 112 games with the Texans, Eagles and Rams over the past seven years, veteran pass rusher Connor Barwin has been left to languish on the free-agent market this offseason. The 31-year-old is in no rush to find a new team, however, biding his time until the perfect opportunity arises.
    In a Tuesday interview with SiriusXM NFL Radio, Barwin revealed that he's had multiple offers on the table and will likely sign in time to join a training camp "in a couple weeks." While he's seeking a defensive scheme that matches his skill set, the top priority is chasing a Super Bowl ring before he hangs up his cleats.
    "I think it's how much you believe they can compete," Barwin told Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan on Movin' the Chains. "I'm not going to go play anywhere that I don't think they've got a chance to win a Super Bowl. That's always the way I've felt, but obviously the older you get, the more and more urgency you have.
    "And then money. Money is always part of it, too. Your whole career, you've got to take that as part of the equation."
    Relatively injury-free for the bulk of his career, Barwin envisions playing a "couple of more years."
    While he neglected to disclose which teams have shown the most interest, Barwin sounds amenable to rejoining a Rams outfit that has the unproven tandem of Samson Ebukam and Matt Longacre penciled in as the outside linebackers in Wade Phillips' defense.
    "That was fun to be a part of last year," Barwin explained. "I think Sean [McVay] is going to be a great coach in this league for a long time. He partnered up with Wade, who has been a great coach in this league for a very long time, and they're going to do great this year.
    "Sean is just a great leader, and he's gotten everybody to buy in and he's going to do great again this year. I'm excited to see what they do."
    Will McVay and Phillips come calling for a familiar veteran to bolster the edge-rushing rotation? Stay tuned for the opening of camps later this month.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...bowl-contender...
    -07-12-2018, 12:44 PM
  • Nick
    McVay: “This Loss is On Me"
    by Nick
    McVay: “This Loss is On Me"
    Myles Simmons
    RAMS INSIDER

    CHICAGO — This was not the Rams night.

    This was a night where Los Angeles had only 214 yards of offense. Only 14 first downs. Only six points.

    A night where quarterback Jared Goff threw four interceptions, setting an ignominious single-game career high. Prior to this night, he’d only ever thrown at most two picks in a game as a pro.

    And this was also a night where head coach Sean McVay took responsibility for all of it.

    “I’ve got to be better for our football team, but this loss is on me,” McVay said postgame. “I didn’t do nearly a good enough job for us today and I trust that we’ll respond the right way.”

    This is something McVay has done for each of the Rams’ regular-season losses since he took over as head coach last year. But this was as self-critical as McVay has ever been — likely because this was as ineffective as the offense has been in his tenure.

    “I’ll tell you this, when I’m looking at it in terms of some of the intent, what we were trying to do with a lot of things, I know this — I did not put our guys in good spots and that’s something that I have to better within the framework of my role and what I can control,” McVay said.

    Indeed, this is the only time since the start of the 2017 season that Los Angeles has failed to score an offensive touchdown in a game. In fact, according to ESPN Stats and Info, this is only the second time in McVay’s 79 games as an offensive coordinator or head coach that his offense didn’t put the ball in the end zone.

    And that’s part of what makes the numbers look so odd for this particular contest.

    “I’d like to say no,” McVay replied when asked if he’d imagined there would be a game where his offense didn’t score a touchdown, “but certainly this is a humbling league and either you learn from it — you’d love to play consistently well week in and week out, but tonight was a humbling experience certainly for me as a coach and for our football team, but I do trust that we will respond the right way.”

    But even with McVay’s self-criticism, players didn’t simply let themselves off the hook — particularly Goff.

    “We definitely appreciate when he does that, but we need to be better and that’s the bottom line,” said Goff, who finished 20-of-44 passing for just 180 yards. “We are the ones on the field, we’re executing, need to make the plays, just need to do a lot of things better and we will.”

    McVay often notes that he’s so self-critical because it’s what he and the rest of the coaching staff asks the players to do. And based on cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman’s postgame comments, that approach seems to be working.

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  • r8rh8rmike
    A Coaching Staff That Can Make Adjustments, What A Concept
    by r8rh8rmike
    After years of watching a coaching staff that had no clue how to make any type of effective adjustments, especially at halftime, it's so encouraging to see a staff that can make decisions to right the ship, and actually win games as a result. McVay and Phillips have time and time again, shown an ability to alter the plan when things are not going right. The Dallas game is a perfect example, most notably on defense. Dallas ran wild in the first half with over 130 yards, but less than 60 in the second half. They scored 24 points in the first half, but only 6 in the second. And they finally figured out a way to shut down an opposing TE, holding Jason Witten to a single catch.

    If the trend is any indication, things will only improve. This Sunday will be a big test, but I finally have faith in the coaching staff to do what it takes to make adjustments, and win games.
    -10-06-2017, 10:04 AM
  • AvengerRam
    I'll feel like its not the "same old Rams" under McVay if and when...
    by AvengerRam
    What would make you feel like things are really changing?
    When faced with an equal or inferior team, particularly at home, we win going away.
    12.50%
    2
    We lose because the other team really outplayed us, rather than the product of dumb mistakes.
    12.50%
    2
    Opposing defenses look out of position against our offense, rather than the other way around.
    18.75%
    3
    When we get a lead, we build on it, rather than waiting for the clock to run out
    18.75%
    3
    Some other indicator (describe).
    12.50%
    2
    Ask me again when we win our 8th game and the season isn't over.
    25.00%
    4
    -06-19-2017, 09:07 AM
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