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  • #16
    Originally posted by Seacone View Post

    ... But Littleton likely remains an ILB in 2019 due to his experience/role as defensive "signal caller", and no other experienced ILB to take that over.
    That didn't stop them from installing LittleTon as signal caller last year. Nor should it stop them from installing a new one this year. Clearly, 5 blocks in less than a season and a half and a pro-bowl accolade as a ST player should be evidence enough that the LittleTon is better suited to penetrate gaps and curl the edge as an OLB/DE. Move him there, get an established ILB post-haste, and coach up one of the youngsters for the other one. It was a weaknesses from the get-go. Nothing last season proved me wrong. And if there is any surprise thus far, it's the fact that LBs are moving fast, and the FO seems to be stuck in reverse on this upgrade.


    • #17
      Originally posted by Seacone View Post

      I expect Longacre is out of the picture. In addition to Fowler, Ebukam and Obo, don't forget about Fox, Lawler and Franklin-Meyers.
      I also see Littleton as a natural OLB/DE, and too tall and lean to be ideal as an ILB. But Littleton likely remains an ILB in 2019 due to his experience/role as defensive "signal caller", and no other experienced ILB to take that over. But this could change after 2019.
      Ah, I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking Longacre was signed through this next season.

      I didn't forget about Fox or Franklin-Meyers though. Fox is not under contract just like Longacre, and I see F-M as a DE only... not a linebacker. Haven't seen enough of Lawler to know what he can bring


      • #18
        Originally posted by adarian_too View Post

        That didn't stop them from installing LittleTon as signal caller last year. Nor should it stop them from installing a new one this year. Clearly, 5 blocks in less than a season and a half and a pro-bowl accolade as a ST player should be evidence enough that the LittleTon is better suited to penetrate gaps and curl the edge as an OLB/DE. Move him there, get an established ILB post-haste, and coach up one of the youngsters for the other one. It was a weaknesses from the get-go. Nothing last season proved me wrong. And if there is any surprise thus far, it's the fact that LBs are moving fast, and the FO seems to be stuck in reverse on this upgrade.
        I actually see things opposite from you. I suspect Littleton will take over Barron's spot and play more of a rover position on the inside and drop back in coverage more, while a more natural run stuffing lb takes over his spot. Ultimately, it all comes down to what's out there. With Ramik unsigned and Barron gone, Rams are short a mike unless Kiser is ready to roll. Who they find may end up deciding where Littleton will go.

        Sure the Rams need more pass rushing help, but they also need to stop the run. Getting to the qb means nothing if you're getting gashed up the middle.


        • #19
          I see Kiser as an ILB more than an OLB, but he's certainly worthy of watching. Fox is more of a rotational DE in my mind, but he was very efficient prior to his injury. I'm really curious about Franklin-Meyers. He made some nice plays in a rotational role last season.

          I don't think we're going to have a shot at the top edge guys in this draft unless someone like Polite drops, but that could be a red flag. Unless the Rams trade back to add picks on day 2, I see their emphasis on the d-backfield and O-line which syncs with their position at #31.

          Go Rams!


          • #20
            Originally posted by KoaKoi View Post

            .. but they also need to stop the run. Getting to the qb means nothing if you're getting gashed up the middle.
            Isn't that part of my point of moving him to OLB/DE ... he was practically worthless at patrolling the middle ... put him where he's more productive ... and then find some meaningful help at MLB/ILB via trade or FAgency. And while we are talking about run support, I'm still good with replacing both Suh and Brockli as anyone else can simply eat up the space they did in the regular season.


            • #21
              Originally posted by Adarian_Too View Post


              'Little Ton'. (^_^)


              • #22
                Originally posted by RealRam View Post

                'Little Ton'. (^_^)
                Are you asking me to explain why it appears that I capitalized one of the "T"s in his name? I will say that "Ton" is a cricket expression ...


                • #23
                  Originally posted by Seacone View Post

                  If you look at what is going on around the league, you will see it is market value for a player of his level and potential at that position. And it's just one year. Very rational move for a player who has already shown his impact on the D in Phillips scheme. Edge threat in the 3-4 is a must have.
                  I agree. No argument here.


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by adarian_too View Post

                    Isn't that part of my point of moving him to OLB/DE ...
                    No, not that I could tell, but hey it's your post, you tell me. When you typed "penetrate gaps and curl the edge", it sounds like you think he'll excel at rushing the passer. Which is fine. Outside backers in a 3-4 have outside contain and pass rush responsibilities. You think he'll be better suited for olb/de... and say he should be moved there. I only disagree that instead of moving him to olb, that they will likely move him to Barron's spot. Clearly we both agree a better run stuffing lb is needed in the middle.


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nick View Post

                      Maybe Kiser is ready to step into a bigger role.

                      Maybe Kiser will turn into the thumper we haven't had since London Fletcher .. One can hope ..

                      Micah Kiser surprises, impresses at NFL Combine

                      ByJAMIE OAKES Mar 14, 2018​​​​​​​
                      (Photo: Michael Hickey, Getty)

                      After the ending the week early in Mobile for the Reese’s Senior Bowl, former Virginia inside linebacker Micah Kiser wanted a strong showing at the NFL Scouting Combine.

                      The Academic Heisman winner did just that. Because his surgically repaired thumb is still not 100-percent, Kiser didn’t participate in the bench press portion of the testing with the linebackers.

                      The former Gilman standout did everything else, however, and was a top performer according to in the board jump, posting 121.0 inches, finishing eighth (out of 31) among linebackers.

                      Kiser was also a top performer in the three-cone, posting 7.05 seconds, finishing tenth. He was also a top performer in the 20-yard shuttle, finishing a time of 4.24 seconds, which ranked him fifth among linebackers.

                      Kiser, measured in at 6-foot-2 and 238-pounds, ran faster than expected in the 40-yard dash with a 4.66, finishing 15th among the linebackers. He also posted a 35.5 inch vertical, which placed him eleventh among the linebackers in attendance.

                      The leader in the ACC in tackles for the last three seasons will have his next opportunity to impress NFL scouts ahead of the NFL Draft at UVA’s Pro Day tomorrow and he’s looking to build on that showing in Indianapolis two weeks ago.


                      • #26
                        Looks like an excellent and viable candidate Maui.

                        Below, excerpt from a Dec. 5, 2017 AP / ESPN article.

                        Micah Kiser wins Campbell trophy as college football's top scholar-athlete

                        Kiser has already earned his degree in foreign affairs with a 3.42 grade-point average. He is currently working on a master's in higher education. He is also one of the best linebackers in the country, leading the ACC in tackles with 134.


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by KoaKoi View Post

                          ... you tell me.
                          Implicit, explicit - no point in splitting hairs with you about what you take away from my post. You did start off yours by saying you see things opposite from me and then concluded by saying what I quoted. Now perhaps I read too much in what you implicitly said, but I took that to mean your opposition to my suggestion to move him outside was based on the fact that the Rams don't need another pass rusher opposite Fowler, but need a run stuffer.

                          Frankly, I didn't get from your post that you disagreed with whether they ought to move him outside, only that you thought they'd probably only, at most, move him to replace Barron. And in the spirit of agreement, I also agree that in all likelihood he doesn't get moved outside, if anywhere. But, that doesn't change the fact that through my fan-based rose-coloured glasses I think he's shown better instinct/aptitude at the OLB/DE position (he can contain, split a gap, and cover somewhat). Keeping him at either of the ILB spots doesn't inspire me unless they go find someone else to significantly bolster the middle. For me, he's nothing more than JLau 2.0 - serviceable but never domineering.

                          I really hate for these posts to go on too long, attention spans of most of us don't seem to be what they once were. Now it's clear we both agree they need help up the middle. How they go about it is another thing. Again, I don't disagree they probably will not move him outside, I'm only suggesting they should (and alas we know how much value management places on Professional Fan opinions ...).


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                            Rams pretty quite so far in free agency
                            by eldfan
                            BY JIM THOMAS Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:10 am

                            Read more: Rams pretty quiet so far in free agency

                            At least five of the Rams' eight draft picks agreed to terms Thursday. At least three of their four restricted free agents plan to sign their one-year tender offers today.

                            But in terms of unrestricted free agency, there was a lot of talk but no apparent action. After striking quickly to land Philadelphia safety Quentin Mikell on Tuesday, the first day that NFL teams could negotiate with free agents, no other moves have been made, causing some in Rams Nation to become antsy, frustrated, and even angry.

                            But based on the amount of discussion the Rams are having with free agent prospects, it looks like just a matter of time before the Rams add to their roster.

                            • At linebacker, the team has been talking to at least four players, and may be looking for both an outside and inside ‘backer. But one of those candidates went off the board Thursday, when Scott Shanle decided to re-sign with New Orleans.

                            Stewart Bradley of Philadelphia, Zach Diles of Houston, and Ben Leber of Minnesota all remained possibilities, however, as of Thursday evening.

                            • At defensive tackle, the Rams have talked with Justin Bannan, who was released for cap purposes by Denver shortly before the lockout began. Bannan, 32, started all 16 games for the Broncos last season and is considered an upgrade over last year's starter - Gary Gibson. It's not clear at this point if the Rams have any interest in re-signing Gibson.

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                          • Nick
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                            by Nick
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                          • eldfan
                            Frustrated by free agency so far? Patience
                            by eldfan
                            by VanRam on Mar 5, 2010

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                            Last year, the stars aligned a little better for the Rams in free agency. They had some prime targets that directly addressed important needs for the team. C Jason Brown was on the radar immediately, with the team setting up a meeting within 48 hours of the start of free agency. They worked out a deal with CB Ron Bartell, who was an unrestricted free agent, within a week. There was talk about signing SS James Butler in the early days of free agency too, but the team didn't reach a deal with him until two weeks into free agency.

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                            All is not lost. If you're starting to despair that A.J. Feeley might be the only roster move the Rams make, be patient. It's telling that the Rams had scheduled a visit with RB Darren Sproles during the brief window when it looked like he would be a free agent.

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                          • ramstiles
                            college free agents
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                            Jim Thomas ‏ @jthom1

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                          • ramsplaya16
                            Smart teams spend little in free agency/Gosselin
                            by ramsplaya16
                            Smart NFL teams spend little in free agency

                            I love what the Green Bay Packers have done thus far in free agency.


                            Absolutely nothing.

                            The Packers haven't signed any players in free agency nor have they lost any. The Indianapolis Colts also haven't signed any players.

                            Football is figuring out what baseball discovered in the 1970s – you can't buy a championship. Which is contrary to public perception.

                            There's a frenzy in the fan bases of 32 NFL teams each off-season. Spend. Buy free agents. The bigger the contract, the better the signing. If you're not spending, you're not trying to get better as a football team.

                            Au contraire.

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                            Mitchell is now wearing a Super Bowl ring – and 2007 multi-millionaires Leonard Davis (Cowboys), Eric Steinbach (Browns), Nate Clements (*****), Patrick Kerney (Seahawks), Fletcher and Pashos are not.

                            In 2006, the Indianapolis Colts signed only one free agent, and he wasn't even a position player – kicker Adam Vinatieri. The Colts wound up winning the Super Bowl.

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                            Free agency never has been and never will be the answer. Teams are realizing the game's best players no longer become free. So the smart teams invest their salary cap dollars in re-signing their own players.

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                            There were 112 players signed in free agency through the end of business last week....
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