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    Had to take another look at all the Ram's moves upon to the draft and during to get some idea what is cooking in the feverous minds of McVay and FO.

    I had the 2019 draft as deep as 17 worthy of first round picks (and no there was too much hype with this class of QBs so add 3 to the depth) and having second to the last first round really in my mind was little better then a second round player whoever they got had they kept the pick. No it was a gambit trade with the Falcons. Here it has to be stated FO and McVay must have absolute confidence in the scouting department because it was a risky move with a very high payoff with high risk if it proved to be a dud decision.

    *The rewards:
    Salary cap friendly--just don't have to pay lower round picks as much as you have too for a first
    Past success in finding gold in the later rounds--hoping lightning strikes twice in the same spot
    Picks, picks, picks; not as many as some teams but it keeps alive the "youth movement" inside the Rams team

    *Risks:
    What didn't the Rams get with their first round pick; the great what if question of 2019 Ram's draft
    Return on investment; will the additional picks return on the investment
    If the gambit fails, then actually it puts the Rams 2 years behind the curve but with the NFC-W and having 2 re-building teams maybe doable

    Going into 2018 we all had questions about the LB core--well least I did. Throughout 2018, yah it looked like a problem--they only seemed to show up in the payoffs while having spent much of the season napping...guess when you got to show up and ball, better late then never in the playoffs

    Only the Squawks seem worth studying at the moment and I didn't think on first glance they filled in what they needed--am still looking, but my gut says they will be making still a lot of moves before OTA. And that leaves the Rams also looking to harden the soft spots... Center is a concern now and am wondering how that Saga will paly itself out
    Last edited by Ram Dragoon; -04-28-2019, 09:06 PM.

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    Good article dragoon. Regardless of what we think at center, i think the decisions during the draft indicate the Rams are confident in Allen. With Erik McCoy on the board at 45, the Rams traded back to 61 and new orleans traded up to 48 to take him. I think if the Rams were really concerned about Allen, they grab McCoy at 45. I have no idea if that was the right or wrong decision, time will tell, but i think its indicative of the confidence they have in Allen. I expect us to pick up a veteran backup in the interior line, possibly center, keeping in mind that we still have demby floating around as a backup guard.

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    • tomahawk247
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      by tomahawk247
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      This year, the draft takes place over three days. Thursday evening will be the first round, Friday the second and third rounds, and the remaining rounds will be on the Saturday.

      Usually between the two days of the draft a team will analyse the players left to pick, analyse those that they have already picked and then re-set their draft board. They may decide that they like one particular player, and go about making trade offers to move up and get him. This is what happened last year between the first and second days of the draft. The New York Jets fell in love with Shonn Greene, and decided that they would have to move up in the draft to take him. The Jets traded their 12th pick in the third round as well as fourth and seventh round picks to move up to the first pick in the third round. Some say this was because the Rams were sure to take Greene if he was still on the board. Its also clear that this trade only happened because the Jets had the night to think on what they wanted with the draft pick.

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      2. The next class of players to be drafted, is there really anyone that you could see setting the world on fire and being an instant game changer between 15 and 32 spots.

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