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  • Not Even Gonna' Wait...

    ...for GC's recap to comment. A number of things to get off my chest. And rather than ruminate until tomorrow and be ticked off all over again, here goes.

    We lost to a team today without their starting QB and without their starting running back. Think about that for a second before we start trying to justify the Rams performance today.

    Ten penalties. Think about THAT before we whine about the Josh Reynolds non-call or anything else. Undisciplined teams can't count on breaks. And the Rams have WAY too many penalties WAY too often.

    Pittsburgh receivers dropped a gazillion balls today yet we couldn't capitalize. I believe we were 1-14 on 3rd down.

    How does a team who has been notoriously bad all year vs slot receivers hold Cooper Kupp to zero catches? ZERO!! A guy who had 220 yards receiving last week totally shut down.

    It never ceases to amaze me how a team coming off a bye can play so poorly. In fairness, this hardly only applies to the Rams, but a team that has two weeks off should come out rested, motivated and sharp- PERIOD. There's no freakin' excuse to be sloppy. And yet how many times do we see this?

    Goff flat out stinks under duress. As I said in the game day thread and will repeat to my dying day, the offensive line can only be blamed for so much. I watched much of the game. There were times when Goff legitimately had no chance to do much, yet there were other times he had adequate time and whiffed. He's turning the ball over too many times, holding onto the ball for way too long and is slow to react to pressure. He has regressed along with several others in key spots.

    Let's put the Todd Gurley questions to bed once and for all. He is an average back now who unfortunately is being paid handsomely for doing sub par work. It's not for a lack of effort, and his chronic knee condition is a shame.

    And let's put away the anointing oil concerning Sean McVay. I've seen very little from him in the way of solid adjustments to compensate for mediocre line play and the loss of a receiver. And this is reflected in Goff's struggles.

    And to wrap things up, before we point to injuries to defend failure, let's remember that Pittsburgh has won 4 in a row with a back-up no one ever heard of 5 weeks ago and a substitute RB. THAT my friends, is coaching- being able to overcome the loss of a couple of critical components to your football team and still win.

    As it currently stands, the Rams will be lucky to finish .500.
    Last edited by NJ Ramsfan1; -11-10-2019, 06:18 PM.

  • #2
    No disagreements here aside from the kupp statement. I watch a lot of steelers games and Haden never ever covers the slot and I mean ever. Today the Steelers decided he will follow kupp the entire game and that is why a team that is bad at covering the slot was covering him with ease. On the the adjustments unless I missed something did we run a single rb screen today? Henderson was a great out of the backfield receiver at memphis and I'm not sure why we never use him in that way. Goff's release seems longer to me this year and has led to so many fumbles. I said it as well in the game thread that I wish we would have waited to pay goff until we saw how him and mcvay responded to the Patriots releasing the gameplan on how to stop us.

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    • #3
      My post was 95% done and the computer deleted it. Shows what kind of day we had. I will try again tomorrow.

      ramming speed

      general counsel

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      • #4
        Originally posted by General Counsel View Post
        My post was 95% done and the computer deleted it. Shows what kind of day we had. I will try again tomorrow.

        Ramming speed

        General Counsel

        Sorry about that GC. I know what it's like, especially at 90% + ... and today's game reeeeeally makes matters worse. I hear you. Title suggestion: "The Bad, The Insulting, and The Ugly."

        Considering our expectations and current record, considering the opponent, this game fulfilled a VERY disappointing show (no-show by the offense), it was truly FRUSTRATING, rather agonizing.

        In short, perhaps among my Top 10 Worst Rams Games I've ever seen. Regular season or playoffs. SMH,


        ...Before we start trying to justify the Rams performance today.

        - NJRF1

        NJ, I'm guessing NOBODY will try to justify the Rams performance today. Cannot be, not gonna happen.

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        • #5
          I could lament the blatant PI that wasn't called, that would have given the Rams a first and goal on the 1 yard line, but let's face it, this team should have never been in a position to need that call. 3 points on offense, making a no-name backup QB look like a star, and fumbling and bumbling their way through 4 quarters was simply a pathetic effort that showed this is not a playoff team.

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          • #6
            I wonder what the Ravens are gonna hang on us?

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            • #7
              I'm quickly losing interest in the NFL.....

              Let me put it this way:

              The one sided officiating leads me to believe the Rams are supposed to lose.
              The complete lack of coaching adjustments and bonehead play calling leads me to believe the Rams are supposed to lose.

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              • #8
                yes our o line is very suspect. But Goff has simply regressed. Period. He seems afraid. Horrible pass after horrible pass. We got burned on his and Gurley contract for sure. Goff did not even need to be signed this year. And don't even get me going on Ramsey

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by macrammer View Post
                  But Goff has simply regressed. Period. He seems afraid.
                  Shades of Jim (Don't call me Chrissy) Everett?

                  >8)

                  RnD

                  GO RAMS!!

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                  • #10
                    What's worst at this stage of the season....

                    I predicted this garbage week 3 of the preseason!! The Rams just didn't enter the 2019 seaso0n with either the skill/talent level needed and didn't adjust. The 2019 playbook is the 2018 playbook minus the skill players the Rams lost to FA

                    There is a bright side, maybe.... The Rams are getting closer to opening a multibillion dollar stadium and just maybe ownership will want to break it in on a winning note--which means ownership might to the smart thing and go kick the general manager and head coach in the (black) and tell them pointedly to deliver... but to my mind how the Rams do that going into a OL rebuild with little to none high draft picks...I have no answer because what is coming out of the college ranks this coming draft doesn't fit the Rams wish list of needs

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                    • #11
                      I certainly take no issue with your ire or your points. The offense, including Goff, is a mess, and not defensible at this point. It's a real shame because Phillips' defense plays hard and mostly at a winning level. (The defense outscored the offense today 9-3). But the offense is a real disappointment. If the offense had been able to score 10 points today, one touchdown, we would probably have won. It's a shocking decline. I'm very disappointed in Snead and McVay. Snead for failing to maintain the caliber of offensive line personnel that a team must have to compete in this league, understanding that injuries are mostly inevitable. And McVay for failing to adapt to the changed character of his offense, and for failing to come up with effective answers. Many posters have made many good suggestions of the kinds of adaptations that could help the offense be more effective, but McVay keeps beating his head against the wall every week. When he called a fake punt from his own 30 in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a one score game, it stank of desperation, a lack of confidence in his offense, and a dearth of ideas.

                      I understand that we have problems on offense, beyond the O line and running game (certainly including Goff's play). But that's where it starts, and it is difficult to see how they can begin to put things back together without having the pieces for a serviceable O line. And without the Gurley of 2017-1st 3/4 of 2018, I'm not sure we have the stable of RBs we need either.

                      This loss today was a big hit to our prospects this season. We need a huge second half to get into the playoffs, and this was not the way to start it. In fact, it was exactly the way not to start it. I'm very discouraged. Don't have much expectation now for the 2019 Rams. Hard to see more than 8 or 9 wins, at best.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Seacone View Post
                        I certainly take no issue with your ire or your points. The offense, including Goff, is a mess, and not defensible at this point. It's a real shame because Phillips' defense plays hard and mostly at a winning level. (The defense outscored the offense today 9-3). But the offense is a real disappointment. If the offense had been able to score 10 points today, one touchdown, we would probably have won. It's a shocking decline. I'm very disappointed in Snead and McVay. Snead for failing to maintain the caliber of offensive line personnel that a team must have to compete in this league, understanding that injuries are mostly inevitable. And McVay for failing to adapt to the changed character of his offense, and for failing to come up with effective answers. Many posters have made many good suggestions of the kinds of adaptations that could help the offense be more effective, but McVay keeps beating his head against the wall every week. When he called a fake punt from his own 30 in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a one score game, it stank of desperation, a lack of confidence in his offense, and a dearth of ideas.

                        I understand that we have problems on offense, beyond the O line and running game (certainly including Goff's play). But that's where it starts, and it is difficult to see how they can begin to put things back together without having the pieces for a serviceable O line. And without the Gurley of 2017-1st 3/4 of 2018, I'm not sure we have the stable of RBs we need either.

                        This loss today was a big hit to our prospects this season. We need a huge second half to get into the playoffs, and this was not the way to start it. In fact, it was exactly the way not to start it. I'm very discouraged. Don't have much expectation now for the 2019 Rams. Hard to see more than 8 or 9 wins, at best.

                        What three teams do you see us beating to get to 8 wins? I could see us going 0-8 in the second half and it wouldn’t shock me the way they’re playing. I’ve been to this dance waaay to many times to think otherwise.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Curly Horns View Post
                          I'm quickly losing interest in the NFL.....

                          Let me put it this way:

                          The one sided officiating leads me to believe the Rams are supposed to lose.
                          The complete lack of coaching adjustments and bonehead play calling leads me to believe the Rams are supposed to lose.
                          that goes for the entire league. Its entertainment, not competition

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                          • #14
                            I have 0 faith in this 2019 season and am praying we can right the ship next year. Frankly, that was a must win game and not only did we lose, we looked like the worst offense in the NFL. Just pathetic. I thought McVay was better than this. I’m so upset and disappointed. I truly truly believed in this man until the Steelers game. Now...I just don’t know what to think, believe, or hope for.
                            Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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                            • #15
                              I agree with everything. McVay looks lost. I keep saying the same thing...McVay should be our OC, because he is NOT READY to be a HC in the NFL! If McVay wants to be a HC he NEEDS a solid OC who is empowered to run the OFFENSE.

                              Our season is over. The NFC West is sewn up and we are on the outside looking in. Long-term, a couple of contracts (Goff ans Gurley) will prevent us from having room to sign enough talent to dig out. Goff is bottom tier when he is not protected, and our O-line only protects about half the time.

                              MAYBE we have the draft picks to shore up the O-line for 2020....maybe...

                              Can we get Gurley to retire? If not, he HAS to restructure that contract...idk if that will really help enough but he is WAY overpaid for his production. Normally, the next day I have calmed down, but I woke up pissed off that we suck so freaking bad!

                              Why do I spend hundreds of dollars on NFL Sunday Ticket? So I can have my heart ripped out in real time? Maybe that is part of what is making me so angry, McVay convinced me he could win games we are SUPPOSED to win.

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                              • NJ Ramsfan1
                                Not Even Gonna' Wait...
                                by NJ Ramsfan1
                                ...until after GC's astute and comprehensive write -up to comment. Today's game was unquestionably the biggest embarrassment in the McVay era. Don't talk to me about Goff's 500 yard passing game or the Rams "spirited comeback" or the excitement of a high scoring contest. The Rams were embarrassed by an inferior opponent in their own building, spotting them a 21-0 lead. They weren't ready to play, and quite possibly were feeling their oats in thinking that because they were 3-0 they could overlook this team before their match-up with Seattle. Guess again.

                                In the process, they made heroes out of old nemesis Bruce Arians, who has no love for the Rams; Jameis Winston, who only two short weeks ago was rumored to be in trouble of losing his starting job; and Ndamukong Suh, who provided the coup de grace by sticking it up our behinds on the game-sealing fumble recovery and TD. Again, embarrassing.

                                The defense gave quite possibly the worst-ever defensive performance by a Rams team in recent memory- and remember we had plenty of bad football to look at from 2003 until 2017. Just totally atrocious. While turnovers put them in compromising positions early, they did nothing to acquit themselves, couldn't stop drives and let Tampa answer every time we got a bit closer. Gutless.

                                Thirteen penalties. A total lack of discipline.

                                Goff was terrible. And don't give me any nonsense about his positive stats or good throws. The guy threw 3 picks, fumbled on a potential game-tying drive at game's end and once again missed on a number of key throws that could've made a difference at critical junctures in the game, none greater than overthrowing a wide-open Everett on what would have been a sure TD in mid-game. He looks skittish and shows poor pocket presence when under duress. Goff's improvement and performance last season, especially in leading the team back vs. New Orleans in a hostile playoff environment cannot be discounted. But neither can we discount what seems to be an increasing frequency of ill-timed, inaccurate throws. Goff's status reminds me of the old movie "Wall Street", where the Michael Douglas character says to the young upstart broker Bud Fox, "You had what it took to get to my office; the question is do you have what it takes to stay there?". A perfect encapsulation of Goff. Can he continue to grow, or have we seen who he is- a guy who will shine at times but never reach that elite status we hope to see and who needs the solid running game to be at his best.

                                That brings us to Gurley. Like I said earlier in the week, you're gonna' get an occasional bright spot, but gone are the days of him carrying a club. Scored on an 11 yard TD and showed some power in the process then was a non-factor (in fairness, we weren't in a position to do a lot of running).

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                                -09-29-2019, 05:56 PM
                              • general counsel
                                Rams lampoon lions 30-16; The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
                                by general counsel
                                The Rams overcame a subpar performance by Jared Goff, pushing their record to 11-1 with a 30-16 road win against detroit by riding Todd Gurley, outstanding red zone defense, and an another otherworldly performance by Aaron Donald. The Rams win today clinched the NFC west title for the second year in a row and gave the Rams a one game lead over new orleans in the race for home field in the nfc with four games remaining. The giants win over chicago in overtime (aided by huge defense plays by former Rams Tree and Janoris) gives the Rams a three game lead over chicago in terms of the week one bye in the playoffs. Today was far from the Rams best game, but keep in mind that detroit has been strong defensively under patricia, especially of late against the run, and beat new england at home earlier in the year. The performance of the defense today was encouraging, albeit against a detroit team that is offensively challenged at the skill positions. To state the obvious, there are no style points in the NFL and the win is what counts. This was a game that could have gone either way in the fourth quarter, and once again the Rams found a way to get it done.

                                The Good

                                There are no words any longer to describe the impact that Aaron Donald is having on a weekly basis. He had two sacks today, one of which was a strip sack fumble recovered by Ebukam that was the critical play in the game when the Rams had a three point fourth quarter lead and detroit had the momentum. He had a third sack called back for a penalty. He had 5 overall tackles which included four tackles for loss. He drew three holding penalties and was held another ten or more times. I have watched 50 years of football and i have never seen an interior lineman play the way Donald is playing week in week out and while he is surrounded by other first round draft picks, he is not surrounded by other linemen who are exactly lighting it up. Just another incredible performance and he was as or more responsible for this win today as anyone.

                                Red zone play. The Rams were 3-4 in the red zone today offensively and held detroit to 1-5. The one time the Rams were stopped in the red zone, Reynolds was clearly held in the end zone on the third down play. The td pass to woods on 3rd and goal from the 8 before half gave us a 10-3 lead and was huge.

                                Todd Gurley had an excellent game with 23-132 and 2 td's rushing along with 3 catches for 33 yards. It was tough going most of the day for gurley, especially with malcolm brown out early with the shoulder injury and Gurley being the only active back on the roster. Very tough for him to get any room up the middle with snacks harrison clogging things up. He had two huge runs, the td run from the 13 with great blocking and the game clinching long run where he alertly fell down on the one yard line forcing detroit to use the rest of their time outs and putting the Rams into a position where even if they don't...
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                              • general counsel
                                Rams crush cardinals 34-7; The Good, Bad and Ugly
                                by general counsel
                                Not dead yet. The Rams came off the canvas after an embarrassing blowout loss monday night to baltimore and played their most complete game of the year, crushing the cardinals in the desert 34-7 in a game that was not as close as the final score indicated. The Rams pushed their record to 7-5, dominating on both sides of the ball early and knocked out arizona probably before half, while coming out after halftime and putting the nail in the coffin with two quick td's, one on offense and one on defense. The Rams clearly showed that they are not going to quit, and while this season has certainly been a disappointment, we are really only a play or two away from having a functional playoff caliber season. Alas, a missed kick at the end of the seattle game and a brutal year in the nfc still has us in longshot playoff position, but we are alive for at least another week with a chance to see if we can avenge the early season loss and beat the seachickens at home next sunday night.

                                The Good

                                Total domination. A great team effort. At one point, before total garbage time took over in the fourth quarter, we had 480 yards of offense and they had 81! We had 550 yards in essentially 3 quarters and 27 first downs, holding arizona to 13 first downs, most of which came in total garbage time. D was solid on 3rd down (2-13). Third down was a huge difference today.
                                Goff was great today, albeit against the worst pass defense in the nfl. He wound up 32-43-424 and 2tds with no ints and a rating of 120.7. He was 24-31 and over 300 yards in the first half with a terrific drive right before halftime for a field goal. Made some great throws today and was certainly helped by outstanding pass protection and a solid run game. Nice to see him bounce back and show us all what he is capable of. The td throw at the end to kupp was just perfect and so were a number of other throws. Nice to see us finally use the tight ends. Higbee had a huge day with 7-107 in the first half. Great to see us throwing to gurley in the flat and higbee underneath on third and 4 and 5 rather than always trying to throw deep down the field. I really think the tight ends need to be a bigger part of our offense. Both our guys are very talented, they should get more chances.

                                Woods was sensational. 13-172 with a 50 yard wide receiver screen where he reversed field completely and picked up a nice block by goff converting a third down.
                                Donald had 1.5 sacks, we had 6 sacks as a team (fowler, littleton, brockers half, joseph day) and completely shut down murray who did zero until garbage time in the 4th quarter. Littleton led the team in tackles again and had a sack.
                                Rapp had a pick six. Also had a dropped pick six and another INT that was reversed for a penalty, but a very solid game.
                                Gurley looked really good with 19-95 a td and a couple of catches. Dont ask me what he was doing carrying the ball in the 4th quarter of a 34-0 game....
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                              • general counsel
                                Rams lose to philadelphia 30-23; The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
                                by general counsel
                                For the second sunday night in a row, the Rams laid an egg on national television, losing at home to philadelphia 30-23 to drop their record to 11-3. The Rams are simply not playing like a super bowl contender and frankly have looked just lousy since coming out of the bye week. Tonight marks the first time in the mcvay era that the Rams lost two in a row, and the knee injury to Todd Gurley, along with continued subpar play from Goff and the offensive line leaves the Rams reeling at the most important point of the season. Once again, it is clear that championships can not be won in september, october and november. The Rams were 9-0 and rolling and 10-1 heading into the bye week after a huge win against Kansas City (in which they got incredibly lucky because if Skandrick catches the ball that hit him in the hands late in the 4th quarter the Rams lose that game as well). Since that point, they are 1-2 and have been effectively getting worse every week. Tonight's opponent was not a dominant chicago team playing at home in cold weather. It was a sub .500 team playing with a backup qb that had been torched for 586 yards last week by a team that got shut out earlier today. Furthermore, philadelphia is so banged up in the secondary there are no words to describe their situation. However, when your qb can not seem to throw accurately with guys in his face and your offensive line does not give your qb time, generally speaking, bad things are going to happen. Throw in no functional pass rush as Donald was once again double teamed on every play and no one else was able to get pressure along with losing the turnover battle 3-1 and going 2-6 in the red zone and you have another bad loss. I was highly confident the Rams were going to win this game and win it big, but i guess Dragoon was the only one on the board that saw this coming so kudos to him, although i am sure he would love to have been wrong. The Rams now have to beat both arizona and the whiners to clinch the #2 seed (unless chicago loses a game) and while that might seem simple on paper, with the gurley injury and the way goff is playing, nothing is a sure thing right now in any way.

                                The Good

                                The Rams rallied at the end and had a chance to tie it up. They also had a nice 75 yard drive on their second possession of the game for a td. Gurley had 2 td runs and caught 10 balls for 76 yards in a valiant effort playing with the injured knee. He had a really nice first half running with 49 yards, and then of course mcvay gave up on the running game as the Rams dug themselves a big hole field position and turnover wise and were forced to throw all the time.

                                Johnson had a terrific game in the secondary, saving a td against ertz (who we did a nice job on) and making 14 tackles.
                                Goff made one real nice throw down the field all night, the almost td to reynolds in the fourth quarter.
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                                -12-16-2018, 10:41 PM
                              • general counsel
                                Rams stop saints 26-23 in OT; The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
                                by general counsel
                                The Rams overcame an extremely hostile road environment and rallied from behind to defeat new orleans 26-23 in overtime on a booming dead center 57 yard field goal from The Leg to advance to super bowl LIII for a super bowl xvi rematch against new england. The Rams dug themselves an early 13-0 hole with some ugly play and frankly, the score could have been a lot worse if not for some outstanding red zone defense. A fake punt completion from Hekker to Shields got the Rams moving and a sensational throw from Goff to Cooks followed by a six yard run by Gurley (one of his only five touches for the day) closed the gap to 13-10 at half. Despite going down 20-10 late in the third, the Rams rallied again with 212 yards of offense in the fourth quarter to tie the game on a 48 yard field goal by The Leg with 15 seconds left in regulation, forcing overtime. In overtime, new orleans won the toss but a qb hit by fowler forced a wobbly fly ball from brees which johnnie johnson made a sensational interception on while lying flat on his back, giving the Rams a first down at their own 45. Two sensational throws and plays by Goff, both short gains, but both critical, put the Rams close enough for the Leg to bomb in the game winner. We can now add "The Kick" to "The Catch" and "The Tackle" in Rams folklore of sensational plays. I am so incredibly proud of the resilence that the squad showed today. True, we got a huge break at the end on the non-interference call on Robey-Coleman that may well have ended our season, but if anyone wants to say that non-call in the reason new orleans lost just point out the obvious missed facemask on the Goff scramble at the goal line that cost us four points. Games don't turn on one call. There were lots of close calls and plays in this game. No class at all out of new orleans in their post game comments, but at this point, i could not care less, just looking ahead to the super bowl and our chance to avenge the darkest day in Rams history, at least since the brutal loss in the 1950 title game.

                                The Good

                                The Rams as a team never gave up, left it all out on the field and fought their hearts out. Digging a 13-0 hole in that environment and then getting down 10 again at the end of the third was a huge mountain to climb, but we never stopped fighting our hardest and we made enough plays to get it done against a really good team in just about the loudest stadium anyone could ever imagine, against a first ballot hall of fame quarterback.

                                Goff was not perfect today, he certainly missed some throws and was indecisive when he had a chance to run the ball into the end zone for the go ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter. However, with the game and the season on the line, he outplayed first ballot hall of famer brees and got the job done with some spectacular plays. The third and three scramble late in the fourth quarter that led to the 39 pass to everett was an all-pro...
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