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  • The next Defensive Coordinator. It could be.....but surely it's gotta be...

    Now that Wade Phillips' contract has expired, the Rams have decided to move on from the long-time NFL coach. Long time....as in, he's been an NFL DC or HC longer than anyone on the roster (including the head coach) have existed in this universe. (Sidenote: Phillips coached Bubba Smith with the Oilers. Smith, the #1 pick in '67, best known as Hightower from all the Police Academy movies. Also, Phillips coached Zeke Moore with the Oilers. Moore had a solid career with the Oilers from '67 to '77. He's now 76 years old. Think about that. There's a guy on this planet that's 76 years old that was COACHED by Wade Phillips. I'm just sayin'......the guy's been around. But I digress...)

    And as people have said, Phillips was the right guy at the right time for McVay's Rams. But now that he's got his feet under him, maybe it's time for McVay to pick "his" guy. And while there's several names getting kicked around (Kris Richard, Marvin Lewis, Rod Marinelli, etc.), the pick has got to be Joe Barry, right?

    Barry was with him for a couple of years in Washington before the Rams, and currently serves as the Asst. HC. Seems like they would want some level of consistency in this move, and if that's so, then Joe Barry is the next DC.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Originally posted by HUbison View Post
    Now that Wade Phillips' contract has expired, the Rams have decided to move on from the long-time NFL coach. Long time....as in, he's been an NFL DC or HC longer than anyone on the roster (including the head coach) have existed in this universe. (Sidenote: Phillips coached Bubba Smith with the Oilers. Smith, the #1 pick in '67, best known as Hightower from all the Police Academy movies. Also, Phillips coached Zeke Moore with the Oilers. Moore had a solid career with the Oilers from '67 to '77. He's now 76 years old. Think about that. There's a guy on this planet that's 76 years old that was COACHED by Wade Phillips. I'm just sayin'......the guy's been around. But I digress...)

    And as people have said, Phillips was the right guy at the right time for McVay's Rams. But now that he's got his feet under him, maybe it's time for McVay to pick "his" guy. And while there's several names getting kicked around (Kris Richard, Marvin Lewis, Rod Marinelli, etc.), the pick has got to be Joe Barry, right?

    Barry was with him for a couple of years in Washington before the Rams, and currently serves as the Asst. HC. Seems like they would want some level of consistency in this move, and if that's so, then Joe Barry is the next DC.
    Certainly a logical deduction, but I ask you this: A) Is Barry a better option than Marinelli or Lewis, long-time NFL men who each have been head coaches in this league? And B) Would we want McVay to singlehandedly pick the new Defensive Coordinator AND a new OC, a move many of us thinks is necessary?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post

      Certainly a logical deduction, but I ask you this: A) Is Barry a better option than Marinelli or Lewis, long-time NFL men who each have been head coaches in this league? And B) Would we want McVay to singlehandedly pick the new Defensive Coordinator AND a new OC, a move many of us thinks is necessary?
      Valid questions. Hopefully, they get properly answered.

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
        When I heard Martinelli was a possibility I was already sold. Our LBs played well and better every year but that was within Wade’s scheme. As good as Barry is, he’s untested as a DC and if the Rams don’t pick him he may be gone so it’s not an easy decision.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 99rams View Post
          When I heard Martinelli was a possibility I was already sold. Our LBs played well and better every year but that was within Wade’s scheme. As good as Barry is, he’s untested as a DC and if the Rams don’t pick him he may be gone so it’s not an easy decision.
          Well, I don't know about untested. I mean, he was the Redskins' DC in '15-'16.

          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HUbison View Post
            ... , then Joe Barry is the next DC.
            You think he's done an admirable job of coaching up the linebackers and front thus far? I don't. I would rather bring from the outside. That was Fisher's bane - trusting that his buds could lean on the job. I'd prefer not to see it now either.

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            • #7
              There is more than one way to skin a cat, but though I prefer a balance of young and old on a coaching staff, but I tend to favor veteran guys, ones who have made their bones in the league in multiple stops. Keep in mind during our GSOT Super Bowl team, we had Mike White (Offensive Asst, former Raiders HC), Frank Gansz (Long time veteran coach and Former Chiefs HC) and Jim Hanifan (Respected O-line coach and former Cardinals HC). I'd like to see the Rams go in this direction concerning their D-Coordinator.

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              • #8
                I M P O R T A N T thread addressing the L.A. Rams' need for a new DC.

                And yes Bison, you're right about Barry.


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                7 candidates to replace Wade Phillips as Rams
                defensive coordinator



                By Cameron DaSilva / USA Today
                Jan. 06, 2020

                The Los Angeles Rams have moved on from Wade Phillips, opting not to retain the defensive coordinator for the 2020 season. It’s a somewhat surprising move, but considering his contract was expiring anyway, it doesn’t come as a complete stunner.

                With Phillips out, the Rams now must find his replacement. Other teams across the NFL are also assembling their coaching staffs and looking for replacements of their own, so Los Angeles will need to act fast to get the guy it wants.

                Or, the Rams could simply promote from within and elevate a current coach on the staff. Two coaches on McVay’s staff appear to be the lead candidates to replace Phillips, but five other outside coaches could be in the mix, too.

                Here are the top seven candidates to become the Rams’ next defensive coordinator.


                Joe Barry, Rams LBs coach

                Barry should be considered one of the frontrunners for the vacancy, given his history with Sean McVay. He worked with McVay in Washington as the defensive coordinator in 2015 and 2016, following the young head coach to Los Angeles as the Rams’ linebackers coach.

                Barry also serves as the assistant head coach, which gives him a leg-up on the rest of the competition. He’s helped develop Cory Littleton into one of the best linebackers in football, worked with Dante Fowler Jr. and the Rams’ other young pass rushers and oversaw a Redskins defense that featured Ryan Kerrigan at outside linebacker.

                He’s an obvious candidate for the job.


                Aubrey Pleasant, Rams CBs coach

                Pleasant is another contender to replace Phillips as the defensive coordinator. Just as Barry did, Pleasant followed McVay to the Rams after previously working on the Redskins’ staff from 2013-2016. He started on the offensive side of the ball in 2013 before switching to defense, eventually becoming the cornerbacks coach with the Rams in 2017.

                Pleasant is a coach the players respond well to, frequently speaking highly of him in interviews. McVay has done the same with regards to Pleasant, complimenting him for the job he’s done with the Rams’ young defensive backs.

                With the Rams transitioning to a new cornerback unit in 2020, led by Jalen Ramsey, Troy Hill, Nickell Robey-Coleman and David Long Jr., presumably, it’s easy to see why Pleasant might be in consideration.


                Kris Richard, Cowboys DBs coach

                Richard hasn’t officially been fired by the Cowboys, but he’s already exploring other opportunities and figures to be out with Mike McCarthy coming in. Richard is someone the Rams and fans should be familiar with, given the work he did in Seattle as the Seahawks’ defensive coordinator.

                A defensive backs specialist, Richard has a lengthy track record of success working with secondary players. He’d be a worthwhile addition to a defense that features Ramsey, John Johnson and Taylor Rapp, ideally making the most of their potential.

                Richard is a fiery coach who’s often seen yelling on the sideline, which would be a stark contrast from the approach Phillips took. Perhaps that’s something McVay is looking for.


                Marvin Lewis, former Bengals coach

                Lewis is a special advisor at Arizona State and seems comfortable in his current role. However, he’s at least open to coming back to the NFL, taking an interview with the Cowboys. Lewis catches a lot of flak for being a coach who can’t win in the playoffs, but as a defensive coordinator, he can still get the job done.

                Lewis was the defensive coordinator of the dominant Ravens defense that won the Super Bowl in 2000 and helped Baltimore rank second in the NFL in points allowed three years in a row from 1999-2001. If McVay wants another experienced coach in the mold of Phillips, Lewis would make sense.


                Perry Fewell, Panthers DBs coach/interim coach

                Fewell has now been an interim head coach twice in his career, which says a lot about how he’s viewed by teams he works for. He was the defensive backs coach for the Panthers this season, and while Carolina struggled defensively, it lacked talent on that side of the ball.

                Previously, Fewell was the Giants’ defensive coordinator from 2010-2014, helping New York finish in the top 10 defensively twice in that span. If he’s looking to potentially bolster his resume, a stop in Los Angeles wouldn’t be a bad move for Fewell.


                Bret Bielema, Patriots DL coach

                Bielema made the jump from college to the pros in 2018, working as a consultant to Bill Belichick initially. He was promoted to defensive line coach this past year and played a role in the Patriots’ dominance defensively in 2019. Bielema is still building a track record in the NFL, and while remaining in New England would seem like an obvious move for him, Belichick may not make him the defensive coordinator – at least not by title.

                Joining the Rams as their defensive coordinator would be a step up for Bielema as he continues to improve his coaching resume.


                Rod Marinelli, Cowboys DC

                Like Richard, Marinelli has not yet been officially let go by the Cowboys. However, McCarthy may not keep him around, instead opting to bring in his own defensive staff with Mike Nolan as Dallas’ new defensive coordinator. Marinelli would be another veteran hire by McVay like Phillips was, having more than 20 years of experience coaching in the NFL and working with many of the best pass rushers and defensive linemen in the league.

                It’s been a mixed bag for Marinelli in Dallas, but Marinelli’s resume speaks for itself. And if there’s one thing he can always do, it’s getting maximum effort out of his defensive players. That’s always a plus for a coach on defense because so much of the game comes down to effort and tackling.

                I too favor and hope for Barry becoming our next DC, followed by Pleasant then Bielema as candidates.
                Last edited by RealRam; -01-08-2020, 12:33 PM. Reason: Format

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                • #9
                  [ Thanks Dez for deleting duplicate post of mine. ]

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                  • #10
                    Maybe I'm wrong, but it certainly seems like every coach that comes out of Bilicheck's regime massively falters their first time out of the nest. Given his limited time as even a DL coach, and no experience as a DC, I would put Bielema very low on my list.

                    Marinelli would be stellar, I like defenses with a little bit of swagger and attitude. Fewell would be a solid pickup... obviously not a good 2nd half of a season for Panthers D this year, but they started out fantastic and have been solid last few years, and I like that he's had some interim HC experience.

                    Marvin Lewis? Hmmmmmm ... Experienced, sure. But I think my concern is how undisciplined the Bengals have been with him at the helm. They would literally lose games due to shooting themselves in the foot all the time. And how many prima donna problems did they deal with year after year? I don't like it... I'm getting caution flags on him.

                    Don't know much about the others so I can't comment.


                    Ok and I have to add my own candidate.... where's Schwartz? The guy has HC experience and has run a fantastic run defense in Philly last few years (they were 3rd against the run this past year). Sounds like a guy I would immediately interview if I were Snead.


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                    • #11
                      If Barry has developed Littleton and helped Fowler he would get my vote as I hope the Rams find a way to re-sign both those players.

                      As a bit of a historian I can say the Fewell was on the Rams staff as a DB coach before his job in Buffalo and Marinelli used to kill us when he was the DC with the Bucs. That was when they had Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, Warren Sapp et al. Oh God I'm getting chest pains just thinking about it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RealRam View Post
                        I M P O R T A N T thread addressing the L.A. Rams' need for a new DC.

                        And yes Bison, you're right about Barry.


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                        7 candidates to replace Wade Phillips as Rams
                        defensive coordinator



                        By Cameron DaSilva / USA Today
                        Jan. 06, 2020




                        I too favor and hope for Barry becoming our next DC, followed by Pleasant then Bielema as candidates.
                        I guess Brandon was number eight lol

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