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    Aaron Donald responds to Skip Bayless saying he's 'not that valuable'

    Cameron DaSilva
    20 hours ago

    This week, Pro Football Focus ranked the 50 best players in the NFL heading into the 2020 season. Aaron Donald was unsurprisingly No. 1 on the list, ahead of Patrick Mahomes at No. 2. Donald has been the most dominant defender for years, and PFF is among the outlets calling him the best player in the NFL for some time.

    Skip Bayless takes exception to PFF’s claim, though. On FS1’s “Undisputed” Friday, Bayless gave his take on the top-50 rankings and argued that it’s “preposterous” that Donald was ranked first “by a distance,” as PFF put it.

    After saying the Buccaneers would laugh at a hypothetical trade of Donald and Jared Goff for Tom Brady, Bayless went on to declare that Donald is “not that valuable” and isn’t a player that’s ever caught his eye.

    “They don’t need Aaron Donald because he’s not that valuable. He does not play quarterback,” Bayless said.

    Donald stumbled upon Bayless’ comments and responded on Twitter.
    There are several issues with Bayless’ claims about Donald, the first of which is that PFF’s list wasn’t based on value. It was strictly about the best players in the league, not the most valuable.

    As we’ve seen in the voting for MVP every year, quarterbacks are viewed as most valuable. That’s not what this ranking was about, and Sam Monson of PFF called Bayless out about it

    Sam Monson@PFF_Sam
    READ THE INTRO, SKIP. The list is NOT about value.If it was, it would be QBs 1-20+
    12:28 PM - Jun 5, 2020

    Bayless clearly hasn’t watched much of Donald or studied his impact on the game, because he’s the most unstoppable pass rusher in the league – and has been for years. His impact on the game goes beyond the box score, always commanding double-teams and opening things up for his fellow pass rushers.

    While maybe not the most valuable player in football, Donald is certainly among the best – certainly better than Brady at this point in his career.

  • #2
    I sure hope our new DC can exploit Donald’s talents so that the defense can more effectively get to QBs.
    “Oh, 100 percent,” Donald said. “I feel like the words, ‘Thank you,’ ain’t enough. You’ve got to show it... Instead of saying thank you — show it.”


    • #3
      Put Skippy B. in at QB -- uniform and all -- for a few Rams offense vs. defense practice drills.

      Put the play in action ... and then we'll see about being "valuable".


      • #4
        1. Bayless is a jerk and always has been.
        2. To suggest Donald is "not that valuable" is to know nothing about football.
        3. The Brady for Goff and Donald trade is a stupid "what if" scenario that isn't even worth a comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
          To suggest Donald is "not that valuable" is to know nothing about football
          it's absolutely mind boggling that someone with a national platform to opine on sports would say Donald is "not that valuable", mind boggling. "Not that valuable", meaning Donald is just an average player who basically fills a role on defense? I'm sorry, but Bayless is CLUEless.


          • #6
            I repeat myself for the millionth time. Go watch the first half of the patriots falcons super bowl and tell me how good brady looks, let alone all the GOAT crap. With guys in his face and getting hit, he is a mere mortal. In the second half of that super bowl, he had all day to throw and ripped up the falcons.

            I truly defy anyone to make the argument that brady is a better qb than elway. Just no way that was the case. Point to the super bowls all you want, he has had a great career and is a well deserved first ballot hall of famer. But he is overated as the greatest of all time stuff. Belicheat, much as i hate him, is the greatest coach in the history of pro sports and frankly, its not a close call given how the nfl salary cap works.

            Aaron Donald is a game changing defensive player. The number one defensive player in the nfl. Brady is an above average qb at this point of his career, nothing more than that. Put him behind a lousy offensive line right now and he would look like an unmitigated disaster. He has exactly zero mobility.

            Ramming speed to all

            general counsel


            • #7
              GC, you're holding back, you should say what you mean LOL. Brady is this generation's QB darling, just as Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr had that luster previously. I believe football pundits will always defer to the QB. Skip Bayless is a provocateur who stirs the pot to induce viewers to his ESPN program. He's a Cowboys fan so that should tell us something. I truly hope that Aaron Donald has this article fresh in mind when the Cowboys come to town in Sept. That will hopefully give Bayless reason to rethink his statement.

              My personal annoyance is the way salaries for QB's escalate almost regardless of performance. It is ruining the ability of teams to build great rosters and the Rams are a classic example. In Brady's defense he was willing to accept a lower salary to allow other higher cost players to join the Patriots.


              • #8
                Originally posted by R8rh8rmike View Post

                ...I'm sorry, but Bayless is CLUEless.

                Referring to AD, that is a definite understatement considering all the high-rev / hyper talk that often comes out of the little Skip engine that couldn't, regardless of topic.

                Aaron Donald is a venerable V E R Y valuable monster DL.


                • #9
                  MDE is exactly right. Brady's decision to play at half his market rate for the prime years of his career is a major contributing factor in the patriots success. If he demanded top dollar every year, that would have cost bellicheat 2-3 starters and may have changed the outcomes. He deserves enormous credit for that decision, more credit than he deserves for his actual on field performance because i can not think of any other HOF caliber star qb that has ever done that.

                  Most overated qb of all time. Brett Favre

                  Ramming speed to all

                  general counsel


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