Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Robert Quinn, anyone?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Robert Quinn, anyone?

    Bears Robert Quinn demands trade. That’s an LA Rams specialty

    https://ramblinfan.com/2022/05/22/ro...m_medium=email
    RnD

    GO RAMS!!

  • #2
    Could be!




    Check out some of the posts under the 'Hypothetical 53-man 2022 roster' thread that mention Quinn.

    Comment


    • #3
      Of course interested, totally depends on the cap situation and again (sorry to sound like a broken record) not sure how we can afford it without knowing what the cap situation is with Aaron Donald.

      Ramming speed to all

      general counsel

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by general counsel View Post
        Of course interested, totally depends on the cap situation and again (sorry to sound like a broken record) not sure how we can afford it without knowing what the cap situation is with Aaron Donald.

        Ramming speed to all

        general counsel
        The question was, of course, rhetorical.

        The interest is there, but juggling payroll and not compromising the team chemistry is a constant concern..



        RnD

        GO RAMS!!

        Comment


        • #5
          I know he had a good year last year for the Bears... but I can't shake the feeling that the Robert Quinn we remember, would not be the Robert Quinn we'd see in 2022.
          For some reason, my skirt is barely fluttering in the breeze at the prospect. I don't necessarily know why....

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by KoaKoi View Post
            I know he had a good year last year for the Bears... but I can't shake the feeling that the Robert Quinn we remember, would not be the Robert Quinn we'd see in 2022...

            Very important point -- Quinn just turned 32, as if it were 32 years ago that he donned our Rams uniform. Long time.

            Would this acquisition have a similar worth, performance wise, to ... say, Von Miller's?

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by RealRam View Post


              Very important point -- Quinn just turned 32, as if it were 32 years ago that he donned our Rams uniform. Long time.

              Would this acquisition have a similar worth, performance wise, to ... say, Von Miller's?
              No, I don't think it would have similar worth. Not at all.
              There's a reason Von Miller will be a shoe-in for the HOF... and while Quinn has a couple pro bowls in his belt, I don't see the comparison being equal.

              Fortunately, the Rams didn't have to pay a dime of Von Miller's contract...only had to deliver a draft pick. I don't see the same thing happening on the Quinn side of things as his contract still has 3 expensive years remaining.


              Again, I really can't place my finger on it. So I went back to the stats list and I see how Quinn had some down years in his last 3 seasons with the Rams...(I remember a lingering back issue was a culprit; a nasty concussion in there too). But once in Miami and then Dallas and even his first year in Chicago, he continued to have 3 additional unremarkable years. So now here he is, after 6 adequate years from a stats perspective, he has one stellar year and demands to be traded. I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. Feels like a trap. If the Rams are interested, I hope they scour his physical reports and do a dang good job working him out. Quinn's a good to great player at a position of need, so it wouldn't be terrible to get him...it just isn't the route I'd go. But I'm just a guy sitting in a chair looking on from afar... so what do i know

              Comment


              • #8
                Quinn might be expensive now, but his contract is set. The QB and WR markets are exploding, and we are fortunate to have Stafford and Kupp, who want to be Rams and don't need to get paid as much as some other team would pay them. EDGE rushers are up, and likely to go up more in anticipation of increased salary caps.

                Donald deserves a paycheck, of course. I do NOT see the cost of edge rushers of Quinn's calibre going down. Von Miller IS great. He is also 33 with his own injuries, and a contract that pays him well over 20 million per year over FIVE years, when he will be 38. (granted, only $26 mil guaranteed).

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by cowboyhater View Post
                  Quinn might be expensive now, but his contract is set. The QB and WR markets are exploding, and we are fortunate to have Stafford and Kupp, who want to be Rams and don't need to get paid as much as some other team would pay them. EDGE rushers are up, and likely to go up more in anticipation of increased salary caps.

                  Donald deserves a paycheck, of course. I do NOT see the cost of edge rushers of Quinn's calibre going down. Von Miller IS great. He is also 33 with his own injuries, and a contract that pays him well over 20 million per year over FIVE years, when he will be 38. (granted, only $26 mil guaranteed).
                  Sounds like you took my opinion between the two from a performance basis, and are now using that to support that Quinn is worth the trade at 13M a year, because Von Miller's getting paid 20M.

                  So let me add the necessary piece in the form of the missing question and my resulting answer: do i think von miller is worth the contract he just signed with Buffalo. I say, absolutely not. If the Rams had paid VM 20M a year, I would have been greatly disappointed. Rams needed to secure Stafford, AD, and get secondary help.... so I'm glad that all turned out the way it did.

                  My gut is just telling me that an aging DE, great player tho he is, just isn't exciting me at all. Not after spending the money on Bobby Wagner. Rams just won the super bowl with Troy Reever at lb for crying out loud. The improvement at that spot alone is going to be ridiculous. I just don't feel like we need to spend draft and cap collateral in a trade for Quinn.... feel it would be a bad move.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Quinn is only 20th on the pay scale. The cheap guys are all on rookie contracts, which might be nice but we don't get top drawer rookies these days.
                    Two years from now $13 mil might look pretty good.
                    He wasn't an Edge rusher, but I thought the one year we had the aging Suh on our line, that he made Donald more effective, just as Von Miller did in the playoffs.
                    I accept your point about the aging veterans. We held onto Todd Lyght and Dexter McCleon for one year too many (2000). All-pro level players tend to age more gracefully (exception being running back, because they are over used and get beat up more).
                    T.J. Watt Steelers 28 $112,011,000 $28,002,750 $80,000,000 $80,000,000 2026 UFA
                    Joey Bosa Chargers 27 $135,000,000 $27,000,000 $102,000,000 $78,000,000 2026 UFA
                    Myles Garrett Browns 27 $125,000,000 $25,000,000 $100,000,000 $50,000,000 2027 UFA
                    Khalil Mack Chargers 31 $141,000,000 $23,500,000 $90,000,000 $60,000,000 2025 UFA
                    Maxx Crosby Raiders 25 $94,000,000 $23,500,000 $53,000,000 $26,515,000 2027 UFA
                    Von Miller Bills 33 $120,000,000 $20,000,000 $51,435,000 $45,000,000 2028 UFA
                    Cameron Jordan Saints 33 $52,500,000 $17,500,000 $42,735,000 $27,935,000 2024 Void
                    Harold Landry Titans 26 $87,500,000 $17,500,000 $52,500,000 $35,250,000 2027 UFA
                    Arik Armstead ***** 29 $85,000,000 $17,000,000 $45,850,000 $34,150,000 2025 Void
                    Shaquil Barrett Buccaneers 30 $68,000,000 $17,000,000 $34,500,000 $34,500,000 2025 Void
                    Chandler Jones Raiders 32 $51,000,000 $17,000,000 $32,000,000 $32,000,000 2025 Void
                    Bud Dupree Titans 29 $82,500,000 $16,500,000 $35,000,000 $33,750,000 2026 UFA
                    Emmanuel Ogbah Dolphins 29 $65,400,000 $16,350,000 $36,000,000 $32,000,000 1 ERFA
                    Leonard Floyd Rams 30 $64,000,000 $16,000,000 $32,500,000 $32,500,000 2025 Void
                    Carl Lawson Jets 27 $45,000,000 $15,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2024 UFA
                    Haason Reddick Eagles 28 $45,000,000 $15,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2025 Void
                    Trey Hendrickson Bengals 28 $60,000,000 $15,000,000 $16,000,000 $16,000,000 2025 UFA
                    Frank Clark Chiefs 29 $29,000,000 $14,500,000 $15,475,000 $5,475,000 2024 UFA
                    Danielle Hunter Vikings 28 $72,000,000 $14,400,000 $40,007,000 $16,907,000 2024 Void
                    Robert Quinn Bears 32 $70,000,000 $14,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2025 UFA

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Excellent posts here CH, RnD, and KK!


                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Thanks for your thoughts and research cowboy. Appreciate your perspective.

                        I would just end with this. I want to highlight the fact that Quinn is not a free agent asking for that type of money ala Von Miller. Something additional has to be traded away to the Bears for the privilege to pay Quinn that money... and that's a huge part of my calculation. I just don't see it as a good investment. Bears are going to want a lot...

                        That said, if Snead and McVay want him.... i'll sheeple behind them.
                        Last edited by KoaKoi; -05-26-2022, 02:27 PM.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by General Counsel View Post

                          Of course interested, totally depends on the cap situation and again (sorry to sound like a broken record) not sure how we can afford it without knowing what the cap situation is with Aaron Donald.

                          Ramming speed to all

                          General Counsel

                          Tue. May 31: Speaking of our AD star, new rumors are whirling about 'retirement'.

                          Donald, just sign the contract, then 'Run It Back!' Super Bowl wise.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            What does Donald want? If it is a bigger pot of money, he could go to another team later. that will pay him $30 million a year, and finish 8-9, or maybe more for one year before the paychecks catch up. If he retires right now, he'll get in the Hall of Fame, but maybe not on the first ballot. Is he hurting? He has maybe 50 years of life to do something, and there is one thing he can do better than anyone in the world. He is blessed to be on a team that can put the right pieces around him, and provide him with the exposure that you don't get in Jacksonville or Cincinnati.

                            Walter Payton talked of retirement for eight years before he actually did it, and the poor man had less life left than anyone realized. I think Donald comes back, but we don't need drama.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Well said, CH.

                              Comment

                              Related Topics

                              Collapse

                              • San Diego Ram
                                Robert Quinn....
                                by San Diego Ram
                                I don't really get to watch Rams games as often as I like. But while I was at the game today I noticed that Robert Quinn was all over the place. I saw him upfront playing d tackle. Also I saw him standing up a few times like he was a 3-4 linebacker.

                                My question is: does Greg Williams normally do this? Also did anyone else notice this?
                                -11-23-2014, 07:25 PM
                              • RamDez
                                the MIGHTY QUINN
                                by RamDez
                                The Mighty Quinn


                                WOW ....... I mean W O W
                                -12-22-2013, 01:05 PM
                              • Barry Waller
                                Still Can't Believe Quinn Fell to the Rams
                                by Barry Waller
                                I remember doing my usual draftnik obsession that draft, and I didn't even look at Quinn that much, other than knowing the Rams would never get a chance to drft him, even with his suspension and benign brain tumor.

                                Apparently, those 13 other teams who passed on Quinn did look at those things, and the Rams got this chisled freak of nature. No ine knows for sure what Samson looked like, but I would guess it was something like The Mighty Quinn.

                                Here is what his line coach at NC, long time veteran coach Everett Withers said about Quinn before the draft.


                                "I wouldn't take anybody over Robert Quinn," continued Withers. "I'd stand on the table for him. He's similar to Da'Quan Bowers, but I'd take Quinn. He's very talented, very raw and his ceiling is so high. We just barely tapped into what he can do. Robert can be on that level (with Peppers). I was around Jevon Kearse with the Titans, and Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers at Texas. Robert is right in the mix with those guys."

                                What is it that makes Quinn so valuable to a defense? "He's got the physical ability to dip and bend and get to the quarterback," said Withers. "If an offensive tackle oversets him, he can long-arm a guy, pick him up, and take him right back to the quarterback. If you're playing for inside move, he can go around you. He's a dangerous pass-rusher."



                                When the Rams add some defensive back help draft day, and bolter the O-line so they can score and get ahead, a weapon like Quinn will make comebacks very difficult for opposing QBs.

                                I don't think I have seen a 4-3 DE as talented pass rushing as Quinn. Leonard Little in his prime was close. Michael Strahan is right there, but I think Quinn is bigger and stronger.

                                Jared Allen is bigger, but is he as fast?

                                That's the type class this guy is in already.

                                I was wrong though, I did see ONE 4-3 DE that I would take over Quinn, but not by much.

                                His name was Deacon Jones. i
                                -12-22-2013, 01:36 PM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Robert Quinn: Rams trading me is a 'breath of fresh air'
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Robert Quinn: Rams trading me is a 'breath of fresh air'

                                By Kevin Patra
                                Around the NFL Writer
                                Published: April 4, 2018 at 10:09 a.m.


                                The Los Angeles Rams have been a free-wheeling cyclone of trade activity this offseason. General manager Les Snead's feverish pace in the player market has been both breathtaking and endlessly praised.

                                Still, the collateral damage associated with the Rams' building process has rarely been considered.

                                The highest profile of the players jettisoned by L.A. in its star-studded buildup has been defensive end Robert Quinn, who was shipped to the Miami Dolphins for a mid-round draft pick in a cost-saving move.

                                Speaking to Miami reporters on a conference call Wednesday, Quinn expressed his displeasure with his situation in Los Angeles.

                                "It's like this, this is the first time I've been traded," Quinn said, via Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald. "You commit yourself to someone and you have your family turn their back on you."

                                Quinn added his move to Miami is a "breath of fresh air" after being "suffocated" in L.A.

                                "I'm not a West Coast guy, put it that way," Quinn said.

                                Quinn spent his entire seven-year career with the Rams' organization, his first five seasons coming in St. Louis. The 27-year-old signed a four-year, $66.575 million contract extension in 2014.

                                A rash of injuries hindered the pass-rusher's production in recent years. Quinn earned just 17.5 sacks combined the past three seasons -- fewer than his singularly dominant 2013 campaign (19.0). As the Rams built a superstar team in 2017, team brass deemed the longtime stalwart an ill-fit in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' scheme.

                                It's fair for Quinn to be perturbed that after years of suffering through boring, losing seasons, he was let go just as the Rams are becoming an entertaining firebrand. Once again, the business of the NFL proves it cares not for hurt feelings....
                                -04-04-2018, 12:04 PM
                              • eldfan
                                Robert Quinn continuing to impress Rams
                                by eldfan
                                Robert Quinn continuing to impress Rams
                                FOX SPORT News .Jun 16
                                2012.
                                Robert Quinn was a 1st round pick of the St. Louis Rams in the 2011 NFL Draft and he was viewed as such a steal at 14 that the Rams took him even though they didn’t have an immediate need at the position. Quinn played in a situational role last season as a rookie, with 6 sacks, 9 quarterback hits, and 21 quarterback pressures, though he graded out negatively against the run on ProFootballFocus. With starter James Hall gone, Quinn is expected to have a much bigger role in 2012 as the starting defensive end opposite Chris Long, another former 1st round pick.

                                ESPN Draft Guru Mel Kiper stated earlier this offseason that Quinn was a potential breakout star for the Rams with the potential to have double digit sacks in 2012. Quinn has reportedly been impressing throughout the offseason in practice and the Rams have “sky high” expectations for Quinn in 2012, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Defensive line coach Mike Waufle calls Quinn “God-gifted” and praises Quinn’s ability to play the run. Quinn definitely has the natural ability to get double digit sacks this season and flashed his talent last year. He’ll need to improve against the run from last season, but between him and Chris Long, the Rams might have league’s best 4-3 defensive end pass rushing duo.
                                -06-19-2012, 07:08 PM
                              Working...
                              X