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  • Bernie takes it to the Warner fans who are down on the Rams

    He says just what I am thinking on this

    Bernie on Warner

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    Keeping the Rams Nation Talking

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    Re: Bernie takes it to the Warner fans who are down on the Rams

    Funny, Bernie is the one that started this entire controversy back during training camp of 2002 when he said that Kurt Warner was back to his 1999 form.

    In reality it took until 2006 for KW to return to form.

    But since when did Bernie start respecting Rams fans anyway?

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    • #3
      Re: Bernie takes it to the Warner fans who are down on the Rams

      Regardless, its a good point. I love the fact he realises that the same has happened to bulger, we've done it twice.
      The Breakfast Club. You want cheese with that?

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        Re: Bernie takes it to the Warner fans who are down on the Rams

        The best part of the interview by far was when he said, "I'm told we should try to take some more phone calls instead of replaying the billy devaney interview, and that's ok, provided we actually get some phone calls." LOL pathetic.

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        • RamWraith
          The Bernie speaks on Warner fans
          by RamWraith
          I think it's good to keep up with Warner.
          I do it myself. I want to see him do well.
          I TiVO every Giants game and look forward to the viewing each week.
          So news updates are fine, and welcome.

          My problem is with the Warner fanatics.
          I don't know how many there are -- perhaps it's a real noisy minority.
          Fortunately, I don't think this particular form of insanity is widespread.
          He's the Son of Man to them.
          They're bizarre.

          That's the issue -- Warner fanaticism, and the way these pathetic kooks hate on Bulger and hope that Bulger throws INTs and loses.

          Cheers,
          Bernie
          -10-13-2004, 05:41 AM
        • RamWraith
          Bernie on Warner
          by RamWraith
          The thing that surprised me (and probably the rest of us, too) is that the Giants signed Warner without seeing him throwing the ball during a formal audition/workout. I know they couldn't work him out while he was still under contract to the Rams....but how can you make a deal with him without at least inspecting how he throws? Why not take a day to do that before completing the final deal? Despite what Kurt's agent says, no other teams were aggressively pursuing him. The Giants could have stalled for a day or two.

          Cheers,
          Bernie
          -06-21-2004, 05:06 PM
        • RamWraith
          Some Bernie
          by RamWraith
          Bulger, unlike Warner, was able to transcend some of the negatives the last couple of years in STL by winning 18 of 22 reg-season starts.

          This year, I'm sorry to say, the negatives appear to be reaching crisis proportions. When you have no offensive line, and a defense that gets shoved around and has no DT capable of making an impact play, then you have a team in trouble. When you have one NFL-caliber CB on the active roster (Butler) that's a team in trouble.

          That said, Bulger was terrible last night. He was part of the problem. And as I have said repeatedly, he should be judged on his own merits -- how he plays. He shouldn't be compared to Warner of 1999-2001, because Warner himself ain't anywhere near that these days.

          What's comical about some of these posts is that the Bulger is Satan/Warner is God crowd convenienty seem to forget that last week that Ol' No. 13 was sacked four times (at least twice because he held onto the ball too long) and threw as bad an INT as you'll see. If Warner had to play with the STL team we saw last night....oh gosh. I hate to even think about it.

          Cheers,
          Bernie

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          Post subject: Turley

          Turley sends mixed signals.
          He pops off to his friends and says he's done for the year.
          He tells the Rams he needs more time, and they're encouraging him to take it.

          Who knows?

          Cheers,
          Bernie

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          Post subject: Polley

          Carolina directed their running game at him.

          They game-planned him specifically.

          216 yards rushing, 5.3 yards per carry.

          I had a chance to review the coaching tapes and it was unreal. I don't know that I've ever seen a LB play worse than that.

          I have no idea why this guy is going south. He'd better pick it up.

          Cheers,
          Bernie
          -08-24-2004, 03:08 PM
        • RamWraith
          A bunch of Bernie posts
          by RamWraith
          Work done by RubbersSoul


          BernieM wrote:
          In today's column I mentioned Warner's legacy -- that he made all of those gloomy football seasons in St. Louis disappear, and replaced them with precious moments and memories.

          In the short term, he has another legacy: the Rams' starting QB in the next few years will be held to a preposterous standard. No question, Bulger needs to play better. As I wrote in here from minicamp, his arm on the deep balls remains weak and I get ticked off just watching it.

          But overall, Bulger is at about where he should be (and he's pretty good) for a QB still finding his way in this league. But because Warner played at such unbelievable heights from 1999-2001, Bulger will be measured against that. Is that fair? Probably doesn't matter -- it's sports. It's just the way it is. Ironically, even Warner fell short -- way short -- of meeting those standards himself, once the injuries took their toll. Warner wasn't Warner, either....and yet some demand that Bulger be the Warner of 1999, 2000 and 2001. Kind of silly if you ask me. Ain't gonna happen. So Bulger should be judged on his own merits.

          Cheers,
          Bernie

          BernieM wrote:

          You're right; Martz does "spin" on Warner.

          It's been a long time since Martz and Warner had a truly good relationship, so I always discount MM's warm and fuzzy comments about Kurt.

          Bottom line is, it all started to fall apart when Kurt's hand became something he couldn't overcome. It started the domino effect. If Warner could still throw it consistently like he once did, and if he could get settled in the pocket again without freaking, none of this would have happened. The Rams and Martz invested a ton of money in Kurt and had no reason to want him to fail. By going this way, they've got millions invested in two QBs, Warner and Bulger, and that hurts their cap.

          Cheers,
          Bernie

          BernieM wrote:
          Bulger is capable of throwing the deep pass. We saw it in 2002. It frustrates me to see him sputter in this area. I think it's in his head. He's thinking too much about technique instead of letting it rip.

          In another follow up, as I've said many times, Bulger needs to play better. Cut down on mistakes, most of all.

          But only a fool would expect him to play as well as Warner did from 1999-2001.

          Cheers,
          Bernie

          BernieM wrote:
          It isn't a matter of Kurt's hand being healed.
          It will never be healed, really. Not in the traditional sense.
          That's because the problem -- as I continually write -- is an arthritic-like condition in his right thumb. That never heals. It's just a question of when it flares up, and how it limits him when it does flare up. Some days, his grip is fine. Other days, it isn't.

          I dig the Martz bashing on this...
          -06-04-2004, 09:47 AM
        • RamWraith
          The Bernie speaks
          by RamWraith
          BernieM wrote:
          i'm so bored with all of the warner worship and selective memories -- excuse me while I yawn again -- but to answer, yet again...and again...and again...

          I encouraged martz to start running the ball around 2000, when it was obvious that they couldn't stop anyone on defense that year and needed to eat some clock. It came up again in 2001 before the playoffs and of course my columns after the 2001 Super Bowl loss were about how Martz needed to run the ball more against the Patrtiots. I'm certain I broached the subject again before now, because Martz and me have gone round and round on it through the years. There's another point of view here; if a team is winning and scoring I don't care how he does it. When a team isn't winning and isn't scoring, then it's time to look at the approach. that's where we are now. and for the umpteenth time, I am not responsible for a reader's reading-comprehension level. I am not responsible for what a reader retains, or chooses to retain, from what I've written through the years.

          Thanks very much.

          Cheers,
          Bernie

          BernieM wrote:
          While I'm reluctant to continue feeding this bizarre Warner obsession, which has a never-ending cycle, I'll respond:

          Any student of NFL history knows that other so-called damaged goods QBs have revitalized their careers elsewhere.

          The classic example is Jim Plunkett.

          Though he didn't go elsewhere to do so, I saw John Unitas go through more than one cycle of rallying his career from abuse and injuries.

          Heck, I covered a guy who did it -- Neil Lomax. He was so gun shy and worn down physically after the 1985 season, that it took him until 1987 to fully recover, mentally and physically.

          If Kurt makes it back to the elite level to stay for a while, it will be because he's healthy and thus capable of physically doing the job.

          As I have said all along, if his hand is sound, and doesn't flare up, he's fine.

          One thing that clearly has happened in his favor is that he seems much calmer in the pocket now. The time away from getting hit and pounded was beneficial to him.

          As for my credibility -- in general terms -- anyone who thinks that me or any other sports columnist, or sports fan, or human being is right all of the time, please join us in the real world. I've never made that claim, and never will make that claim, that I am always right. And I do not hesitate to admit when I am wrong.

          God forbid I should be as arrogant as some of my critics.

          And in this instance, I consider the source. Some of the Warner fans are hardly objective about this situation. The gentleman who created this thread, for instance, has an e-mail address that basically serves as a tribute to Warner.

          And there's nothing wrong with that -- but at the same time, I always must keep...
          -10-04-2004, 04:34 AM
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